Microsoft just sank to a new low by shoving Edge down our throats

[mp68terr]

Someone will likely find a way to remove this browser.

[steven36]

14 minutes ago, mp68terr said:

Someone will likely find a way to remove this browser.

The problem  with removing  anything baked into Windows  it  causes bugs  with installing updates  when it looks for that app to update it. so its better to disable and app  than really remove it  .Its like when you uninstall uwp apps that can be uninstalled with power shell  they still there they just been disabled .  Any  hacks they had in the past to really remove uwp apps caused bugs with updates even using a 3rd party start  menu  caused errors  with updates before .  Windows 10 is very  touchy about things  you do to it.

[mp68terr]

Indeed, a pain to remove when deeply within the system. Thanks to apps like ntlite to do this job.

Could also wait for m$ to add options for the not wanted 'features' cited earlier in the thread. Security is one thing, invading computers with unwanted 'features'/changes is another.

[steven36]

2 hours ago, mp68terr said:

Indeed, a pain to remove when deeply within the system. Thanks to apps like ntlite to do this job.

Could also wait for m$ to add options for the not wanted 'features' cited earlier in the thread. Security is one thing, invading computers with unwanted 'features'/changes is another.

The problem with Windows 10 and any workaround you may find useful is unless you  use LTS  a upgrade   is around the corner were Microsoft will break it or disable it . It been that way every since the 2nd update TH2  and it only got worse  over the years  .

 

Edit: Security is 94%  paranoia  and PR  only  5.5% of the time is patching even useful  . People claimed XP would be a zombie virus OS and it never came to pass now most people moved on .XP  was more insecure  when Microsoft was still patching it every month  before SP  2  then it was after  it ran out of  updates with SP 3. Patching  exploits  with a low   CVSS  score is of very  little value  to the end  user  most the time only ones that score a 9 or 10  are ever exploited in the wild.

 

In order for a patch to be useful at all  it must be exploited in the wild. And big tech pays millions too hackers  every year and 94%  are never used by hackers in the wild,  the ones being used most have  never been patched against  because  once they  are patched and or a AV  can  prevent it there no longer a 0 day  and it no real threat to any sane user,  it only a threat to stupid users . when Google + and Facebook got hacked and they stole everyones  info what good did patching do ? Google shut down that service and Facebook try to patch it after the exploit done did it's damage . In Security there is to much could of , should of , would  of , that  only makes  a good news story that never amounts  to any  kind of threat in the real world ever. and patching  real threats after the damage is done . If patching was effective hackers  would run out of work and that's not the case at all.

 

Only reason Microsoft patched Wanacry before it was exploited they was tipped off by the NSA. It was nothing they  done without the help of the NSA it would been way worse than just some stupid users who didn't do updates getting infected . The reason some people  were no longer updating was the fact Virus has been pretty much dormant for years since XP SP2 they not been many virus . Only thing Microsoft done  was  patch against  it  via instructions provided by the NSA , It was Marcus Hutchins  that stopped the spread of it in the wild .  

[anakin206]

5 hours ago, cosy said:

That is why I'm still running Windows 95 as my main OS 😄

 

Beat you on that. Windows 3.1 for life.

Also, the first part of the article reflects the same that my kid asked me when he turned on his laptop. "Dad, what is that new icon?".

[Alanon]

Would it have been better to just include it in a new major update, at least for Windows 10? Absolutely. This would have dispelled many doubts in a neat way - we all knew that the old Edge would get replaced at some point, it was just a matter of how exactly it was to come about. And the outrage was surely predicted and weighed in advance. Based on past controversies, this is how it's going to play out: news reports on tech blogs will whine for a couple of days - weeks, if it really bothers anyone - and then everything will settle down, and Microsoft can mozy on along doing what's easiest and best for them. Unless, of course, Edge turns out to be a beacon of rebellion. But really, given Cortana, Bing, X-Box ultra bar or whatever, not to mention all the other nefarious crap 'ole uncle Redmond already flushed down the pipeline, is a useable OS browser the field to die on?

 

Chromium Edge already had a surge in usage and is the most successful browser MS have made, so I'll bet they're betting most people won't mind the change and the prompts might actually... well, prompt ordinary users to give Edge a try. Sure, the 2% of users that use scripts and group policies to de-crapify their systems won't like it, but then again, those people are probably on Windows 10 because they have to be. I can't fault Microsoft for this move - we all knew that there was going to be outrage for whatever reason, regardless of how it was done. Microsoft decided to make a clean cut - manage just this one version and make sure everybody's on board. This targets the folks who just install Chrome and go on with their day, that probably had their kid remove all those tiny taskbar icons. They don't care about privacy, which is why they're using Chrome in the first place, and that's the market Edge is angling for.

 

For me, Microsoft browsers did have some value, insofar as they were different. I always found them useful when checking for problems with my other browsers, IE and the old Edge were excellent "neutral" arbiters. I even liked Edge's engine and believed the browser had potential. I don't fully get the outrage about replacing IE with Chromium Edge on older systems? Everyone always hates on IE as being a hot pile of sh*t, full of holes and never to be used, which makes the fact that one could never easily uninstall it a problem. Yet by all accounts, although one can't uninstall this one either, Chromium Edge is a substantially better alternative, making the replacement a net positive? Even if one never once used IE, one is still free to never use Edge either? If this mattered so much that one did not, under any circumstances, want IE on one's PC, one could have gone through the trouble and got the EU version that didn't have it. Presumably, then Microsoft couldn't do anything?

 

Oh, and interestingly enough, I've been tinkering with Chromium Edge since early betas, and I'm yet to see the old one replaced. So they're definitely doing this in a chaotic manner.

[steven36]

As long as Firefox and waterfox can render   websites OK  anything made with chromium  will remain  a spare  , On Linux only virgin chromium has been patched for HW alteration making the rest of the forks not all that because they never have implemented the patch .  what's  so great   about chromium  anyway ?  I been testing it for years and i never been sold on it or found it  anymore useful  than Firefox   Firefox allows  more extensions than chromium based browsers  do  and the ones they don't allow most can be found  on GitHub signed .Meanwhile   you have to use a work around  like using  them unpacked  on chromium based browsers  if the vendor don't allow it  and they only work right on chromium . Google Chrome stable will nag  about it.

 

If i want to send videos to my  video players because the browsers don't  have HW alteration i can just use send to mpv or open with on Firefox ,SMPlayer the latest update is doing a fine job at playing YouTube in HD  and it even has it own mini browser Smtube.

 

 

happy  4th  to everyone