Windows 10 usage falters, Edge goes nowhere at all

[Karlston]

October numbers are in, and they don’t bode well for Windows 10 or its browser.

 

The latest NetMarketShare numbers show:

 

• Windows 10 moved imperceptibly up from 22.53% in September to 22.59% in October
• Windows 7 also nudged higher, from 48.27% to 48.38%
• Edge went from 5.16% in September to 5.26% in October
• IE decreased from 25.48% in September to 23.13% in October

 

Firefox was the big winner, remarkably, going from 9.19% to 11.14%.

 

Over on the StatCounter side of the fence:

 

• Win10 slid up a tiny bit from 24.42% in September to 24.81% in October
• Win7 went from 39.4% to 38.97%
• Edge stayed flat from 3.01%  in September to 3.06% in October
• IE lost a whole point from 10.73% to 9.73%

 

You can interpret the numbers any way you like – and keep in mind that both NetMarketshare and StatCounter measure usage massaged in specific ways. But the takeaway is clear: Win10 and Edge certainly aren’t ringing any chimes.

 

You just have to wonder how many Win10 machines were sold in October, and how that affects the usage number. If there were, say, 20 million Win10 machines sold in October, surely that would bump the Win10 share up a bit. Are there a lot of people reverting to Win 7 or 8.1 – or giving up on Windows entirely?

 

Source: Windows 10 usage falters, Edge goes nowhere at all (AskWoody.com)

[Karlston]

Also, from NetMarketShare, Windows 8.1 jumped from 7.92% to 8.40%. 0.48% doesn’t sound much, but it means Windows 8.1 increased its own numbers by just over 6% (I'm proudly one of those ).

 

Perhaps Windows 8.1 is the new preferred upgrade path from Windows 7 and XP (and maybe from Windows 10)?

[steven36]

49 minutes ago, Karlston said:

Also, from NetMarketShare, Windows 8.1 jumped from 7.92% to 8.40%. 0.48% doesn’t sound much, but it means Windows 8.1 increased its own numbers by just over 6% (I'm proudly one of those ).

 

Perhaps Windows 8.1 is the new preferred upgrade path from Windows 7 and XP (and maybe from Windows 10)?

I doubt it  Windows 7 is still good tel Jan 2020 .  Back in 2015  Windows 8  had 9.12 % so they not gain back what they lost yet and it only grow  2.5 percent in 1st year since Windows XP's demise and they lost most of that when Windows 10 came out . 8.40% just means over 90% of the market dont use it at all. I dont look for a O/S  that was presumed dead in 2015 to come  to life, when Microsoft dont even sell it any more yesterday was the last day .
 

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End of sales refers to the date when a particular version of Windows is no longer shipped to retailers or Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs). Examples of OEMS are Dell and Toshiba—PC manufacturers who often preinstall Windows software.

 

Windows 8.1 and Windows 7  End of sales for PCs with Windows preinstalled  October 31, 2016 .

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet#section_2

You cant expect a OS  that  never done nothing in 4 years to rise up like a Phoenix , That's like saying 2017 is going be the year of the Linux desktop  when they said that for 25 years and it never happened. It's not reality  Only reason Windows 10 has 24.81% is because they gave it away as free upgrade to windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users  that's over with there will not be a big incentive for the masses to update to windows 10 again tell a few more years when Windows 7 loses updates  and they want be selling windows 8.1 . Windows 8 never was gave away ether you buy it or pirate it . Windows 7 was gave away if you bought a PC with Vista after it came out OEM  but Windows 8 never was gave away at all . No one has bought PCs much since Windows 7 and Windows 10 the 1st year was not even about selling it it was about giving away to all those who bought windows 7 and 8 . lol 

 

 

 

[Karlston]

16 minutes ago, steven36 said:

I dont look for a O/S  that was presumed dead in 2015 to come  to life, when Microsoft dont even sell it any more yesterday was the last day .

 

IMO, still preferable to Windows 10. Presumed dead perhaps, but not in reality.

 

Microsoft stopping its sale to OEMs is just another desperate attempt to try and prop up the disappointing Windows 10 numbers. When was the last time Microsoft crowed "X million active Windows 10 devices"? Was Myerson's "1 billion Windows devices" a slip of the Freudian kind or a crystal ball gaze?

 

Maybe I'm unique... my needs are to have a new(ish) OS that's (1) stable, (2) mature, and (3) one *I* feel in control of. Windows 10 ticked none of those boxes (after several months using it every day), and Windows 8.1 ticked them all.

 

(Still waiting for a reply from Microsoft to my Tweet asking them how to upgrade from 10 to 8.1... not holding my breath... )

[steven36]

10 minutes ago, Karlston said:

 

IMO, still preferable to Windows 10. Presumed dead perhaps, but not in reality.

 

Microsoft stopping its sale to OEMs is just another desperate attempt to try and prop up the disappointing Windows 10 numbers. When was the last time Microsoft crowed "X million active Windows 10 devices"? Was Myerson's "1 billion Windows devices" a slip of the Freudian kind or a crystal ball gaze?

 

Maybe I'm unique... my needs are to have a new(ish) OS that's (1) stable, (2) mature, and (3) one *I* feel in control of. Windows 10 ticked none of those boxes (after several months using it every day), and Windows 8.1 ticked them all.

 

(Still waiting for a reply from Microsoft to my Tweet asking them how to upgrade from 10 to 8.1... not holding my breath... )

No it's not desperation it's business is all , Microsoft stopped being nice  when they killed updates on XP  Unlike Windows 8.1 one most people owned  a PC with XP  i probably had 5 . The whole reason they kept selling windows 7 tell yesterday was because they never could sell windows 8.  The PC market  is dead and no one buys unless they have the money and it dont grow on tress . People dont buy PCs unless they need them everybody has one or 4 lol.

[Karlston]

6 minutes ago, steven36 said:

No it's not desperation it's business is all

 

Let's compromise... desperate business

 

Their Windows 10 flagship has run aground. It could have been another great OS, but Microsoft's ramming it down people's throats left it with a stench that'll probably never completely dissipate. And the clear failure of Windows Insider testing coupled with their priority of adding new features above everything else including bug fixing and removing annoyances, puts big question marks against stability and reliability. The journos and the public are finally starting to see this.

 

I hope that Microsoft will see the writing on the wall and change their development priorities. Then we'll all be better off.

[steven36]

Just now, Karlston said:

 

Let's compromise... desperate business

 

Their Windows 10 flagship has run aground. It could have been another great OS, but Microsoft's ramming it down people's throats left it with a stench that'll probably never completely dissipate. And the clear failure of Windows Insider testing coupled with their priority of adding new features above everything else including bug fixing and removing annoyances, puts big question marks against stability and reliability. The journos and the public are finally starting to see this.

 

I hope that Microsoft will see the writing on the wall and change their development priorities. Then we'll all be better off.

`People never learn ,  all technology gets replaced with new made by the same vendor sooner or latter. If it dont get replaced by some other thing all together . Even Windows RS 1 is not the same as TH1 or 2 .. You can ether embrace technology or you can fight it like people on XP did even if you dont care about updates after a few years  Non Microsoft vendors will drop it ..Soon XP will belong in a museum.  Windows 7 demise will start in 2020   and Windows 8.1 will  end up like Windows Vista were no one talks about tell it ruins out of updates. Microsoft  will ether win or stop making  windows lol

[Karlston]

10 minutes ago, steven36 said:

You can ether embrace technology or you can fight it like people on XP did

 

No, it's not a black or white thing, it's grey like most.

 

I'm happy to embrace any technology that's done right and benefits me somehow. But me embrace ALL technology? Nope... not a pork chop's chance in a synagogue... the common belief that new technology is self-justifying is just utter BS, and to be brutal, those who believe that are just mindless sheep that swallow everything the marketers say.

 

Getting really OT now, so I'll end my side of the discussion with this post. You have right of reply...

[steven36]

22 minutes ago, Karlston said:

 

No, it's not a black or white thing, it's grey like most.

 

I'm happy to embrace any technology that's done right and benefits me somehow. But me embrace ALL technology? Nope... not a pork chop's chance in a synagogue... the common belief that new technology is self-justifying is just utter BS, and to be brutal, those who believe that are just mindless sheep that swallow everything the marketers say.

 

Getting really OT now, so I'll end my side of the discussion with this post. You have right of reply...

If they never sell Windows 10  it will not matter to those who like windows 10 , It only matters to them tell they see it will never sell .. M$ pulled the same hype with all versions of windows .. All the fake PR post etc etc,, I was on Windows 8.1 and I liked it and I never cared if it would ever sell or not   ..I dont have nothing against Windows 10 ether if I get tired of it, i just reboot into Linux. If it ever becomes unusable .Ii will just use Linux it's simple as that  , It only has a little over 2% marketshare  and i like it. But Windows 10 it's very usable  I had to do some tweaking to get it like i want it was all . In the end I dont use things because it's popular I  use it because it works for me . I dont care if it dont work for everyone right

 

[straycat19]

2 hours ago, steven36 said:

But Windows 10 it's very usable 

 

I totally disagree with this statement since two of our programs that ran under windows 10 initially will now not run, which makes it totally unusable.  Those programs are running fine on Windows 7, 8.1, and the Mac Version on El Kapitan and SierraOS.  We are still testing Windows 10 but sticking with 7 and 8.1 until we replace our systems next year.  We have an RFP out for 15,000 iMac and MacBook Pro systems.  Since Microsoft wants to be a windows dictator we have decided that our best ROI going forward is to switch to Apple systems.  That is easier than rolling out Windows 10 and then hoping that everything keeps working after the monthly updates.  All of our technical systems are already running on Linux and Microsoft System Center has the capability  of controlling Macs so there will be little change needed  when the desktop systems are replaced.

[steven36]

3 hours ago, straycat19 said:

 

I totally disagree with this statement since two of our programs that ran under windows 10 initially will now not run, which makes it totally unusable.  Those programs are running fine on Windows 7, 8.1, and the Mac Version on El Kapitan and SierraOS.  We are still testing Windows 10 but sticking with 7 and 8.1 until we replace our systems next year.  We have an RFP out for 15,000 iMac and MacBook Pro systems.  Since Microsoft wants to be a windows dictator we have decided that our best ROI going forward is to switch to Apple systems.  That is easier than rolling out Windows 10 and then hoping that everything keeps working after the monthly updates.  All of our technical systems are already running on Linux and Microsoft System Center has the capability  of controlling Macs so there will be little change needed  when the desktop systems are replaced.

I dont care about if you disagree or you're work , lol you got me mistaken for someone who cares about  outside of my own realm . If you want to download mac apps you came to the wrong site , I dont need a MAC to acess the internet ever in the last 15 years so what makes you think i would care about there old outdated apple hardware today?

 

Apple fanboys  are worse than Windows Fanboys ..That[s were the term Fanboy came from they all worshiped Steve Jobs .  LOL There's more people on Windows 10 than on 3 out of 4 of those OS you stated above . If it didn't  work OK this would not be so .

 

Apple is just popular in  a few countries PCs for hipsters It's a niche OS like Linux  but its PCs are expensive and not worth what they ask because there hardware is outdated ..  it never has been a threat to Microsoft and Microsoft makes Apps for Apple even. so if you buy Apple you're still helping them out. You always be taking about you're work  when all business  not just you're work is less than half of the OS Desktop Marketshare .

 

niche

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the situation in which a business's products or services can succeed by being sold to a particular kind or group of people

 

You visit the Linux forums  There's many people like me who dual  boot Linux and Windows 10  and we dont have a problem with Windows 10  ..Most people who have a problem  with Windows 10 are strictly Windows users who still use Windows 7 or 8.1, And they grasp straws because  they dislike Windows 10 so much they make like Apple or Linux is better than Windows 10 when its not . It's not even possible for everyone to switch to Linux  if they need certain apps.  

 

A good Linux user will tell you before you switch over fully you need to make sure you can replace every single app you have on Windows before you attempt to switch over . I been on Linux weeks at a time  and never go on  Windows ..But soon as i need to some audio editing  or video editing I need Windows . Linux sucks at this, they never have the stuff you want and its slower at doing it. You need to  install a different kind of kernel just to do this even.. by time I change kernels I can boot into windows and do it faster.

 

When it's about giving up things  I like and use just to use a certain O/S I draw the line . I will dual boot before I make  unneeded sacrifices .

[dezsez]

Windows 10 maybe a great invention,But so was the Bicycle Puncture Repair Kit with plenty of patches

[Ryrynz]

5 hours ago, straycat19 said:

 

I totally disagree with this statement since two of our programs that ran under windows 10 initially will now not run, which makes it totally unusable.  Those programs are running fine on Windows 7, 8.1, and the Mac Version on El Kapitan and SierraOS.  We are still testing Windows 10 but sticking with 7 and 8.1 until we replace our systems next year.  We have an RFP out for 15,000 iMac and MacBook Pro systems.  Since Microsoft wants to be a windows dictator we have decided that our best ROI going forward is to switch to Apple systems.  That is easier than rolling out Windows 10 and then hoping that everything keeps working after the monthly updates.  All of our technical systems are already running on Linux and Microsoft System Center has the capability  of controlling Macs so there will be little change needed  when the desktop systems are replaced.

 

So why don't you find out why that is?? Maybe the app just needs some simple code change.. So quick to blame the OS when you have NO idea where the fault lies? Not exactly a smart thing to do..

Progress can break compatibility but generally it's for the greater good. If you can't deal with the evolution of software then don't bitch about it, it's more than likely just highlighting how immobile and inflexible both you and your business are which is truly pathetic..