Batu69 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 A few weeks ago in May, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 had reached over 300 million active users. A new forecast out by the IDC, however, (via GeekWire) is now showing that Microsoft’s free Windows 10 offer is actually slowing down PC sales. Overall, the new IDC research firm forecast projects that PC shipments worldwide are expected to fall by 7.3 percent, which is 2 percent worse than was previously projected. The outlook also calls for a, “progressively smaller decline through 2017, followed by a more stable volume in 2018.” Additionally, the forecast also finds that, Quote “Financial pressure on consumers from various regions, and the availability of alternatives, such as delaying PC replacement by using the free Windows 10 upgrade, or relying more on other devices continues to pressure consumer PC shipment.” With the deadline for the free Windows 10 upgrade approaching and the free Windows 10 Anniversary Update on the way, this is some interesting news for those who are looking to purchase a new PC. Article source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Now they say its going decline trough 2017 too ? They said it was going to recover in 2016 then in 2017 now the say it want . These people dont know just like we dont know ..If Windows 10 has caused the slow down of the sale of PCs thats bad because Windows 8.1 was what most pcs in stock before it was out and Windows 8x was out selling Windows 10. While its bad for vendors it good news for anyone interested in buying a pc you can get a steal . People will buy again before windows 7 runs out of updates when it is required like they always have.. I doubt 1.5 billion people will go without updates. But like 10% of users all desktop O/S are still on XP and most of In Africa and some other places more people use XP than Windows 10. Also most of Windows 10 users witch is over 17% is using old pcs thats like 25% of desktop users who have no reason to buy Free vs those who dont care about updates. . And Microsoft wanted 1 billion to upgrade there old PC too windows 10 for free, sounds like they want too kill the PC industry ? That number may grow very large for people without updates by the time Windows 7 runs out . We will be living in Zombie computer world . Its the PC apocalypse next we will have AI implanted in our brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequi Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 44 minutes ago, steven36 said: That number may grow very large for people without updates by the time Windows 7 runs out . We will be living in Zombie computer world . Win XP here. SP3 was the LAST update I installed. I torrent, visit PrOn sites, reverser's forums and even places as dangerous as nsane. Should I be worried ? You shoot them in the head, right ? PS A weekly scan with the latest Kaspersly Rescue Disk on high heuristics has never found anything, other than stuff I download for my malware collection. But back on-topic. Maybe people are moving to mobiles ? I agree I that win 10 could be to blame, but that would apply to PCs shipping with 8 or even 7, as the "downgrade" to 10 is getting harder and harder for the average Joe to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 This can explain it that because Windows 10 is a free upgrade from Windows 7 and 8.1 in the first year, people install it on their current machines (i.e PCs, laptops, phones, tablet etc) so they don't need to pay extra prices for newer hardware because their current hardware already fully supports the new OS. that said, it doesn't mean people don't buy new hardware, its not about OS. if anyone feels their hardware is not adequate for their needs or newer software, apps, games need more stronger hardware then they're free to upgrade their hardware and devices respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, Pequi said: Win XP here. SP3 was the LAST update I installed. I torrent, visit PrOn sites, reverser's forums and even places as dangerous as nsane. Should I be worried ? You shoot them in the head, right ? PS A weekly scan with the latest Kaspersly Rescue Disk on high heuristics has never found anything, other than stuff I download for my malware collection. But back on-topic. Maybe people are moving to mobiles ? I agree I that win 10 could be to blame, but that would apply to PCs shipping with 8 or even 7, as the "downgrade" to 10 is getting harder and harder for the average Joe to avoid. You can still buy windows 7 or 8.1 tell like NOV 2016 but whats the use they will just try to upgrade you to Windows 10 . I still have a PC with XP Sp 3 but its not been online since I was on dial up years ago . because I went from dial up, to satellite , to dsl , i been on dsl since 2011 and i live in a rural area . I have 4 PCs in my computer room some i got put up like windows 95 upgraded to Windows 98 SE , Why would I use XP with a Linux PC , a Windows 7 PC and a Windows 8.1 PC setting here beside me ? It no good for task that require high CPU or do it have good hardware alteration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequi Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, saeed_dc said: that said, it doesn't mean people don't buy new hardware, its not about OS. if anyone feels their hardware is not adequate for their needs or newer software, apps, games need more stronger hardware then they're free to upgrade their hardware and devices respectively. Truth is even 4-5 year old hardware is more than adequate for most people's uses today. That was not the case a decade ago, when mainstream PCs doubled in power every two years, and you had to change CPUs, add RAM and swap graphics cards or even overclock to keep up with the software. So - unless you are an avid gamer, (I know you are, and I'm not) best thing to do is to wait for the PC to die from natural causes. When that happens, it's Win 10, Linux or go mobile. And that is why sales are falling ... people waiting for the PCs to die, and they don't like their options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 like I do If you use PS4 also my Nephew is a PS4 gamer Also my bother in law is a PS4 gamer to and only PC games you have are retro just to pass time if I get board its not worth me going out and buying new hardware just to get DX 12 and driver updates My legacy drivers will take me well into the next decade . I can listen to music , watch any kind of video or do business just fine without buying anything thats reality . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steven36 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I read about plan B for Microsoft its mostly about businesses once Windows 10 is not free to home users. Once redstone comes out they done got everyone who wanted windows 10 to test unstable versions for 2 years they want need you in slow ring any more because it will be a retail product . When it's really going to get interesting is when Goggle brings offline apps to Chrome O/S Android already have more users than Windows 7 do and now Google plains to go after Windows 10 http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/06/01/google-gears-up-to-take-on-microsofts-windows-10.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Pequi said: Truth is even 4-5 year old hardware is more than adequate for most people's uses today. That was not the case a decade ago, when mainstream PCs doubled in power every two years, and you had to change CPUs, add RAM and swap graphics cards or even overclock to keep up with the software. So - unless you are an avid gamer, (I know you are, and I'm not) best thing to do is to wait for the PC to die from natural causes. When that happens, it's Win 10, Linux or go mobile. And that is why sales are falling ... people waiting for the PCs to die, and they don't like their options. you don't know what computers are used for if you really believe in what you said games are only 10% of the things that need good hardware. by the way i always laugh when someone speaks on behalf of the whole people but actually tries to present his/her own opinion by that so far i learned something, some villagers use Linux besides Windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryrynz Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 18 hours ago, steven36 said: Once redstone comes out they done got everyone who wanted windows 10 to test unstable versions for 2 years Not sure what you're getting at, nearly all bleeding edge software is "unstable". It doesn't mean it doesn't work.. you're just throwing i t around like an insult.. But then I guess I wouldn't expect less from you.. Try pulling head from ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pequi Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 17 hours ago, saeed_dc said: you don't know what computers are used for if you really believe in what you said games are only 10% of the things that need good hardware. by the way i always laugh when someone speaks on behalf of the whole people but actually tries to present his/her own opinion by that so far i learned something, some villagers use Linux besides Windows <live and let live attitude> I've been building computers for 22 years. I'd say 90% of people use computers for office suites, browsing the internet, watching videos, emailing and texting and for using simple apps like archivers, text editors, torrenters and image browsers. And play simple games like solitaire or minefield. Hardware built 4 years ago is more than adequate for that, and MUCH cheaper. MAYBE 10% order a "game machine", or do heavy number crunching, pro image/video editing and converting or need the power for running fast business servers.. I agree, they probably "need" the "latest and bestist". It comes with a heavy price tag. You are right - some "villagers" dual boot Windows and Linux, or even run a VM. Happy to see you learned something new. Thank Steven36 for the insight. </live and let live attitude> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, Pequi said: <live and let live attitude> I've been building computers for 22 years. I'd say 90% of people use computers for office suites, browsing the internet, watching videos, emailing and texting and for using simple apps like archivers, text editors, torrenters and image browsers. And play simple games like solitaire or minefield. Hardware built 4 years ago is more than adequate for that, and MUCH cheaper. MAYBE 10% order a "game machine", or do heavy number crunching, pro image/video editing and converting or need the power for running fast business servers.. I agree, they probably "need" the "latest and bestist". It comes with a heavy price tag. You are right - some "villagers" dual boot Windows and Linux, or even run a VM. Happy to see you learned something new. Thank Steven36 for the insight. </live and let live attitude> all of those things can be done on smart phones, tablets, laptops etc. not necessarily on PC. people I've seen tend to buy portable devices for light usages and good PCs for anything other than that. more than 30% gamers. play simple games like solitaire or minefield on PC?? who were you building PCs for? some 50-70 years old grandpa/grandmas? (telling from experience) and buying hardware built 4 years ago for today's needs ain't something practical. I show you an example: Skylake I5- 6400 SR2BY (R0) SR2L7 (R0) 4 2.7 GHz 4/5/6/6 4 × 256 KB 6 MB HD Graphics 530 350–950 MHz 65 W LGA 1151 DMI 3.0 September 2015 CM8066201920506 BX80662I56400 BXC80662I56400 $182 Haswell I5- 4440s SR14L (C0) 4 2.8 GHz 1/2/4/5 4 × 256 KB 6 MB HD Graphics 4600 350–1100 MHz 65 W LGA 1150 DMI 2.0 September 2013 CM8064601465804 BX80646I54440S $182 Ivy Bridge I5 3340s SR0YH (E1) 4 2.8 GHz 1/2/4/5 4 × 256 KB 6 MB HD Graphics 2500 650–1050 MHz 65 W LGA 1155 DMI 2.0 September 2013 CM8063701387400 BX80637I53340S $182 Sandy Bridge I5-2400 SR00Q (D2) 4 3.1 GHz 1/2/2/3 4 × 256 KB 6 MB HD Graphics 2000 850–1100 MHz 95 W LGA 1155 DMI 2.0 January 2011 CM8062300834106 BX80623I52400 BXC80623I52400 $184 so no sane mind/seller suggests buying old hardware while the newer generation is more stronger and even sometimes cheaper. that 22 years experience tho. lol haha I'd rather not answer to your last part, be happy learning from people like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Quote Did the free Windows 10 upgrade push hamstring PC sales? PC sales have dropped—four quarters in a row—and IDC says the Windows 10 giveaway is one reason why. It has always been tradition with a new Windows release that there is both an upgrade path for some users with the smarts to do it and the guts to risk it, while those preferring a safer path would just buy a new PC with the new operating system. So, what happens when Microsoft practically shoves a new OS down people's throats, pesters people to upgrade and even performs upgrades they didn't ask for? Well, that gets the installed base to 300 million in under a year, as Microsoft recently announced. It also kneecaps the PC market for new desktops. New research from IDC projects PC shipments worldwide will decline by 7.3 percent in 2016 over the previous year, 2 percent worse than was previously forecasted. Also, in Q1 of this year, sales contracted by 12.5 percent, more than the 11.3 percent previously expected. Q1 is always a slow quarter, as the industry takes a breather from the busy fourth quarter Christmas sales, but a 12.5 percent drop is painful. This is the fourth straight quarter of double-digit drops in PC sales, making for very tough times in the PC vendor market. Reasons for the drop in PC sales IDC cited several reasons for the headwinds: Chromebooks, companies testing Windows 10 and slowing their purchasing habits, and the economy. But it also said the Windows 10 giveaway was part of the problem. "The financial pressure on consumers across regions, and the availability of alternatives such as delaying a PC replacement by using a free Windows 10 upgrade or relying more on other devices continues to pressure consumer PC shipments. Similarly, while a large share of enterprises are evaluating Windows 10, the pace of new PC purchases has not yet stabilized commercial PC shipments," IDC said in a statement. In some ways, Microsoft did users a great service by keeping the minimum system requirements for Windows 10 equal to the last three versions of Windows. So, you can get Windows 10 running on some fairly old hardware, and people were happy to take the freebie upgrade offer rather than buying a new system. I recall how with the Windows 7 launch, Best Buy had a huge inventory of new hardware to go with the new OS ready on launch day, and there was a full-court press to promote new machines with Windows 7. It had tremendous buzz from its well-received beta and sold quite well. That didn't happen with Windows 10. Hardware vendors couldn't compete with Microsoft giving away the OS, a key driver of PC sales. For an industry built on planned obsolescence (and let's not kid ourselves, that's how high tech works), not needing a hardware upgrade is a bad thing. The PC upgrade cycle used to be about three years. In other words, you upgraded to a new box every three years. Now, Intel CEO Brian Krzanich says it has slowed to five or six years. The irony here is his company created this scenario. Intel CPUs are so powerful that you can get by just fine on a 4-year-old CPU, unless you're a hardcore gamer. And even there, it's the GPU that does most of the work. An office worker sure doesn't need a new PC with a Skylake CPU on it. A Sandy Bridge-generation CPU from 2011 will do just fine. Even I, a hobbyist and gamer who relentlessly upgrades, can't justify an update to my system. Nothing I'm playing taxes the system especially hard, and a new CPU or SSD would barely boost speed. The days of seeing a notable burst of speed from a new system are over. Now we've reached a point where people replace them only when they break. http://www.networkworld.com/article/3082690/windows/did-the-free-windows-10-upgrade-push-hamstring-pc-sales.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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