Intel draws fire for not writing Win10 drivers for older Sandy Bridge PCs

[heyyahblah]

13 minutes ago, D1v1n3D said:

 

An Aggressive Canadian, isn't that an oxymoron? No one was fighting or arguing until you came to the forum saying negative gestures towards other members, we were simply voicing our opinions about w10 and programmers and PC stuff in generaly something the free-world allows last time I checked.

also im pretty sure most of us don't exactly love W10 like we all did W7 so im still holding out for W9 lol.

 

 

 

i wasn't singling you out. next time read through the entire thread and you'll see who I was referring too by calling us anti 10 'haters' No need to quote set user. so check it before you make an assumption. i posted way earlier in this thread.

[D1v1n3D]

i see that now my apologies

[steven36]

8 hours ago, PrEzi said:

 

 

What are you talking about ? What GPU do you have ? GPUs from 2013 (circa about time W8 was released) are either the 6xxx -series, or even 7-series already. Hell... even 5xxx-Series is supported with the last Legacy Crimson  from January 2016 (official one -> 16.1 but I can find also 16.2.1 which also supports legacy cards)...

All of them have perfectly fine W10 drivers ->

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-Software-Crimson-Edition-16.1-NonGCN-Products-Release-Notes.aspx

https://community.amd.com/docs/DOC-1435

 

If you mean 4xxx series then it was released in 2008.... I wouldn't expect much support for an 8+ years old card either.

These cards fall in the line were microsoft has to install drivers for you and the driver will  never work right

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The following AMD APU products with AMD Radeon™ Graphics support up to WDDM 1.2 and DirectX® 11 on Windows 10:

• AMD A4/A6/A8-3000 Series APUs
• AMD E2-2000 APU
• AMD E1/E2-1000 Series APUs
• AMD E-200/300/400 Series APUs
• AMD C-Series APUs
• AMD Z-Series APUs

 

NOTE: These APU products must be installed only using the display driver version available via Windows Update. If you have upgraded to Windows® 10, please DO NOT install the AMD Catalyst™ Driver. Instead, enable Windows Update and allow it to detect and install the appropriate driver.

 

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The following is a list of graphics products that do not have driver support Windows® 10:

• ATI Radeon™ X1### Series/ATI Mobility Radeon™ X1### Series Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ X### Series/ATI Mobility Radeon™ X### Series Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ 9000 Series Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ 8500 Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ 7500 Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ DDR Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ 7000 Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ 7000VE Graphics
• ATI Radeon™ 7000LE Graphics

 

Windows® 10 will install the default Microsoft® Basic Display Driver (MBDD) for these graphics adapters. MBDD provides basic display functionality (low resolutions and color) on a single monitor but DOES NOT support:

• Display scaling control
• Multiple displays
• Display rotation
• Video capture
• Power settings
• VSync control
• Brightness control on integrated display panels
• AMD Catalyst™ Control Center

 

 

 

 

Still Microsoft will install a basic driver  that wont work right  so you need to use legacy  drivers to make Windows 10 have all functions .

https://community.amd.com/docs/DOC-1313

 

My PC came with windows 8 (AMD Quad-core  HD processor Release date: 2011)  when you use auto driver detect  software it say no driver found with windows 10 installed and the ones from windows update dont have Hardware alteration . So i have to use legacy  or beta drivers .  I never had a problem finding the latest drivers using windows 8.1 it was not tell windows 10 came out i ran into issues . Just because drivers came out in 2013 dont have nothing to do with windows 8 that came out in 2012.

 

Windows 8.1 came out in 2013 not windows 8. And the 1st windows 8.1 pcs  could have not compatible  cards as well mine falls in the 1st quote were i suppose have full support  from Microsoft and it dont work right. They never sold well so most stayed  in stock.

 

You can look in old topics here and see were i installed the latest ones up tell windows 10 came out then i was forced to use 15.6 beta to get Hardware alteration. 

 

I still have the Drivers on my portable HHD amd-catalyst-15.6-beta-software-suite-win8.1-64bit-june22.exe (2015) these are the newest one that work for windows 10 for me  and released 1mth before windows 10.  I read to get stable ones you have use Omega from 2014 . I read  that Catalyst 15.11 Beta are working too  strange  the beta drivers  always work and stable dont . This shows they just do this to sell new hardware .

 

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Hello everybody. I have a AMD A6-3620 APU with a Radeon HD 6530D.

I had the 15.7.1 Catalyst version installed. When I installed Windows 10 - 64 Bits, the image didn't show for applications like Netflix and FilmONTelevision. Was it corrected with the 15.8 beta version?

Or else, does someone know if Windows 10 has been updated to fully support my graphic card? And I know now that it won't support DirectX 12.

It takes quite some time to install Windows 10 and having to return to a fully working Windows 8.1!  I already dit it twice, so I'm a little nervous about trying it again. Quite a waste of time...

I wonder why Microsoft is willing to have users of Windows 7 and 8 migrate to Windows 10 when the not that much older computers won't support it? Or maybe, it was designed for Intel and not for AMD?

Thank you all for your attention in this matter.

 

His card is windows update AMD and is only supported  though Microsoft and had problem as me .

 

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My question was maybe too general. Nobody could answer it.

I found a solution for all of my problems installing Windows 10 anew after installing Catalyst 15.11 Beta.

I guess those guys have been working extra hours. I can now watch Netflix and FilmONTelevision applications.

I can also play the old Zelda Classic clone game with the new 2.50.2 version.

I'm just glad to tell that it works fine.

 

And 15.11 beta drivers windows 10 worked  . Something fishy about it dont you think?

 

I just turned my AMD box into Linux the  version  i have is support tell 2019  and has Hardware alteration with AMD Catalyst  and I  have another HHD i test newer versions on. if AMD ever gets good drivers for Linux since there dropping Catalyst i will  update . But if not they will not replace the version i have now  . We will see.

 

As far as my Intel box I'm happy with windows 8.1 for now .

 

[PrEzi]

16 hours ago, steven36 said:

These cards fall in the line were microsoft has to install drivers for you and the driver will  never work right

Still Microsoft will install a basic driver  that wont work right  so you need to use legacy  drivers to make Windows 10 have all functions .

https://community.amd.com/docs/DOC-1313

 

My PC came with windows 8 (AMD Quad-core  HD processor Release date: 2011)  when you use auto driver detect  software it say no driver found with windows 10 installed and the ones from windows update dont have Hardware alteration . So i have to use legacy  or beta drivers .  I never had a problem finding the latest drivers using windows 8.1 it was not tell windows 10 came out i ran into issues . Just because drivers came out in 2013 dont have nothing to do with windows 8 that came out in 2012.

 

Windows 8.1 came out in 2013 not windows 8. And the 1st windows 8.1 pcs  could have not compatible  cards as well mine falls in the 1st quote were i suppose have full support  from Microsoft and it dont work right. They never sold well so most stayed  in stock.

 

You can look in old topics here and see were i installed the latest ones up tell windows 10 came out then i was forced to use 15.6 beta to get Hardware alteration. 

 

I still have the Drivers on my portable HHD amd-catalyst-15.6-beta-software-suite-win8.1-64bit-june22.exe (2015) these are the newest one that work for windows 10 for me  and released 1mth before windows 10.  I read to get stable ones you have use Omega from 2014 . I read  that Catalyst 15.11 Beta are working too  strange  the beta drivers  always work and stable dont . This shows they just do this to sell new hardware .

 

His card is windows update AMD and is only supported  though Microsoft and had problem as me .

 

And 15.11 beta drivers windows 10 worked  . Something fishy about it dont you think?

 

I just turned my AMD box into Linux the  version  i have is support tell 2019  and has Hardware alteration with AMD Catalyst  and I  have another HHD i test newer versions on. if AMD ever gets good drivers for Linux since there dropping Catalyst i will  update . But if not they will not replace the version i have now  . We will see.

 

As far as my Intel box I'm happy with windows 8.1 for now .

 

 

I won't cut out the things and reply in general --- 

first of all there are no "stable" drivers -- you either get WHQLed ones, beta or hotfixes. WHQL is just that - an MS certificate sticked to them --- tells nothing except it was in MS hands. Definitely cannot assume that this is "stable" and can have worse quality than betas... I won't point out directly to the examples on the green side, but they spit out WHQL drivers that burn cards etc.

 

In your cases you are talking about mobile versions and YOU CAN use the later / newer drivers (at worst with support of FLEM --> Legacy modder for DX9 and DX10+ cards). 

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=379516

 

Long story short --- in the APUs (LLano Family) you have HD6xxxM Series which is officially supported by latest 16.2.1 Crimson legacy.

It might require modding (first try without) to add the APU support but it's worth a shot.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=legacy3&os=Windows+10+-+64

 

Give it a shot.

[steven36]

The point im making even before they made crimson there were many cards AMD  they sold with Windows 8 and Windows 7 maybe even some that came with windows 8.1 new that never had fully compatible stable drivers since the day windows 10 came out , even though beta were working many didn't know this  or did they know they could use omega to use Windows 10 back then. Most people are not going to look for beta drivers or go to 3rd party sites looking for them , They made crimson dropping support for more cards for new drivers putting them in the legacy driver cards category  . But  AMD  were messing up many peoples machines every since Windows 10 came out  Every since 15.7 drivers . AMD even says when you read about installing legacy drivers  they recommend  you buy new hardware . And for cards that never did support Win 10 to stay with you're  old O/S  most who found work arounds  done on there own testing AMD would never help them .  The forum at AMD  is full of these bug reports every since Windows 10 came out . If you cant get DX12  or new drivers to play the latest games whats the point in installing Windows 10? 

 

Microsoft tries to force this update on you and the drivers they have suck for windows 10  save you're  self some trouble and dont fix whats not broken . Unless you want to buy new hardware or a new PC unit  that supports or has win 10 pre installed.  The Hardware Vendors and Microsoft have never been fully on the same page with Windows 10 nether have the PC vendors  have ether  the techs at Dell and HP  told many to roll back . Just because something is free dont mean its better .really  too me its worse in my book , and if breaks you're PC its more trouble than it's worth.

[PrEzi]

It's not AMD that sold you some outdated HW.... And remember that at the time of buying this HW was already 2 years old...

 

 

What wonders me... is why are you so angry with AMD....

the green Troll is even worse... They not only mess people systems but blow their GPUs with some drivers.

Artificially worsen performance (GameDONTWorks) and artificially worsen the performance of older hardware (Kepler Fermi etc.) with newer drivers.

And their forums are more than full of bug-reports and issues too ;-)

 

And the point is --- with such Hardware.... (I mean e.g. HD6550M or --- as you mentioned --- the Radeon mobility X1xxx Series  lol) )what's the point of installing anything ? Because definitely not for playing games. Well... maybe minesweeper or solitaire...   They don't release the drivers for 2D GPUs because well... with stock MS drivers they handle 2D perfecly. With those you are definitely not talking about any 3D-Performance in today's times...  ///sarcasm

[steven36]

54 minutes ago, PrEzi said:

It's not AMD that sold you some outdated HW.... And remember that at the time of buying this HW was already 2 years old...

 

I'm not angry with AMD its not there fault no windows 8 pcs sold  and stayed it stock , but there not going to get my money again anytime soon I just bought a new Windows 8.1 Intel in like Sept. 2015 that said its a free windows 10 upgrade when i  bought it but still Ive never installed Windows 10 on it yet . I game on PS4  .I just watch videos and stuff and listen to music  read the news download software etc. and Linux works just fine for it. I have another Windows 7 machine I  have setup for video encoding  and editing but most of the time I'm too lazy to do this anymore It's Intel with  even older Hardware than my AMD it came with Vista in it.

 

Last time I checked Microsoft is giving a free upgrade for Windows 10 to anyone who has Windows 7 or Windows 8.x . Windows 7 came out in 2009 and they gave Windows 7 free to anyone who bought a Vista box after it came out, they sent me a DVD  with a key, so many Vista boxes have Windows 7 on them now .

[PrEzi]

7 hours ago, steven36 said:

Last time I checked Microsoft is giving a free upgrade for Windows 10 to anyone who has Windows 7 or Windows 8.x . Windows 7 came out in 2009 and they gave Windows 7 free to anyone who bought a Vista box after it came out, they sent me a DVD  with a key, so many Vista boxes have Windows 7 on them now .

 

No wonder they are giving it away for "free" (W10) --> they want to earn money via app store and via telemetrical data which without serious tweaking you are giving to them "for free". 

And no wonder they gave out W7 as an free upgrade to Vista users== Vista (without serious tweaking) was really bad.... at least at the beginning... especially due to immature drivers and some heavy swapping.

 

I am still waiting with my HW upgrade what will AMD show with the upcoming ZEN architecture.

Then if it will catch up to at least Broadwell-levels I will stay with AMD's ZEN and if it will be lower than that  -- I will buy some Intel high-end.