Muammar Gaddafi says he will die a martyr rather than quit

[LeetPirate]

Apocalypse (character from x-men): I know more of this world than you can even dream. That is why I must destroy it!

I always knew apocalypse was right. :lol: Humans are truly the scum of this planet which is why nature takes it course and destroys us in great numbers now, that is the natural way of the universe. We have defiled this planet and we keep sucking it dry of its resources. Who is stopping you from using ethanol or other synthetic fuel? You could easily modify a diesel engine to run on used cooking oil, and a gasoline engine can be made to run on ethanol based fuels but who is preventing this? I agree with the cartoon guy, even he knows how despicable humans are.

And yes the financial resources of the US gov't are limitless, they just print more money and inject it into the system or take from China. If they were really poor they would have pulled out from Iraq and stopped wasting money on deploying foreign troops. If they were really poor they would stop wasting money on making aircraft carriers and tanks for wars that may or may not occur, it costs enough as it is to maintain the current machinery. All this talk about recession but the only people who are affected are hard working American citizens, while the government is still wasting money on foreign aid to countries that should be doing better by now but they just refuse to learn how to do it. Foreign aid is bullshit to the max, my country keeps wasting our resources by giving away money to other Caribbean countries and I hate it, those bastards are living happy while my ass has to pay high fuel prices and my ass has to pay taxes for them to sit on their ass and get handouts. Sure you help a guy in need, sure you must help those struck with disasters but for how long? 10 years? 50 years? Everytime they come begging? Poppycock I say! If you cannot learn to sustain your self and your economy after years and years of receiving foreign aid then you cannot justify your existence on this planet and you contribute nothing to the human race and you are a burden to society. The US gov't is neglecting their prime resource, their human capital, destroying American jobs and families to waste money on foreign soil.

It's time people learn that the only way to sustain an economy is by increased productivity, not by begging for help forever.

Of course we all know USA does not need permission from the UN to invade a country, they gave the UN the finger and went into Iraq just for personal vengeance of the Bush family. And NO they cannot set foot in Libya because Israel is an ally of Gaddafi, USA shall keep their mouths shut and keep pretending they want to do something, they can't do squat. Israel has already sent notifications to all its foreign allies to support Gaddafi (corrected in later post, sorry for the mixup) and yes Saudi is an ally of USA and Israel so no help will be coming from them either. Libyans are on their own and nothing will change that, nothing. They have to fight their way through this and make it on their own, nobody is coming to save those people. Nobody... The current Obama administration probably already discussed with other oil producing nations about picking up the slack so the oil is of no issue and yet again no reason for USA to invade Libya. My deepest condolences to all those who are suffering in Libya.

[myidisbb]

Apocalypse (character from x-men): I know more of this world than you can even dream. That is why I must destroy it!

I always knew apocalypse was right. :lol: Humans are truly the scum of this planet which is why nature takes it course and destroys us in great numbers now, that is the natural way of the universe. We have defiled this planet and we keep sucking it dry of its resources. Who is stopping you from using ethanol or other synthetic fuel? You could easily modify a diesel engine to run on used cooking oil, and a gasoline engine can be made to run on ethanol based fuels but who is preventing this? I agree with the cartoon guy, even he knows how despicable humans are.

And yes the financial resources of the US gov't are limitless, they just print more money and inject it into the system or take from China. If they were really poor they would have pulled out from Iraq and stopped wasting money on deploying foreign troops. If they were really poor they would stop wasting money on making aircraft carriers and tanks for wars that may or may not occur, it costs enough as it is to maintain the current machinery. All this talk about recession but the only people who are affected are hard working American citizens, while the government is still wasting money on foreign aid to countries that should be doing better by now but they just refuse to learn how to do it. Foreign aid is bullshit to the max, my country keeps wasting our resources by giving away money to other Caribbean countries and I hate it, those bastards are living happy while my ass has to pay high fuel prices and my ass has to pay taxes for them to sit on their ass and get handouts. Sure you help a guy in need, sure you must help those struck with disasters but for how long? 10 years? 50 years? Everytime they come begging? Poppycock I say! If you cannot learn to sustain your self and your economy after years and years of receiving foreign aid then you cannot justify your existence on this planet and you contribute nothing to the human race and you are a burden to society. The US gov't is neglecting their prime resource, their human capital, destroying American jobs and families to waste money on foreign soil.

It's time people learn that the only way to sustain an economy is by increased productivity, not by begging for help forever.

Of course we all know USA does not need permission from the UN to invade a country, they gave the UN the finger and went into Iraq just for personal vengeance of the Bush family. And NO they cannot set foot in Libya because Israel is an ally of Gaddafi, USA shall keep their mouths shut and keep pretending they want to do something, they can't do squat. Israel has already sent notifications to all its foreign allies to support Gaddafi and yes Saudi is an ally of USA and Israel so no help will be coming from them either. Libyans are on their own and nothing will change that, nothing. They have to fight their way through this and make it on their own, nobody is coming to save those people. Nobody... The current Obama administration probably already discussed with other oil producing nations about picking up the slack so the oil is of no issue and yet again no reason for USA to invade Libya. My deepest condolences to all those who are suffering in Libya.

?????? well lets see. UN16 broken Resolvion gave the uS the right to go in. plus he support terrorism. libya and isreal are allies? shaking head. a no fly zone is not the same as invading. i give up. wow

ill go with middle ground and that being shought's

but really some of you all have some far out thoughts and beleifs about usa and UN. you all need to write some novels there.

[Atasas]

One point is absolutely unclear about potential resolution.

Lets imagine I am B.Obama, I read this thread.

I find load of rants, weird accusations, despite attempt to make change in stance for/anti Gadafi... so what is he meant to do?

I'd say- 'efit! let them sort it out them-self- I will not get involved as I am not needed.

Meanwhile, protests and rants will continue, so will fighting on a ground, economy will fall to beyond disrepair, humanitarian crisis is obvious. Gadafi wins! and US will be blamed for not helping.

[LeetPirate]

libya and isreal are allies?

Sorry I made some mistakes in there, the part where I said Israel was rounding up support from its allies was really about Egypt from some news reports I read some time ago.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2044929,00.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/31/us-egypt-israel-usa-idUSTRE70U53720110131

Whether Israel and Libya are openly allies is another question. I have read that Israel is providing mercenary support for Gaddafi so maybe they are allies or just business opportunists. How can they do this and get away with it? Simple, they found a loophole. Just this morning on bbc news I heard of another international reporter killed in Libya during attacks, was halfway asleep so I can't remember the name of the reporter but the point of mentioning that part is that it is currently difficult to receive visual evidence of what is going on due to the difficulties faced by reporters.

I'm not in support of Gaddafi or anything, I just want everyone to recognise that what they think is true can sometimes be a deception and these are some of the thoughts for today. You are free to think about them and do your independent research and form your own opinions.

Israeli arms distribution company Global CST has under the authorization of Tel Aviv, provided Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi with African mercenaries to clamp down on anti-government protesters.

The Israeli company has so far provided Gaddafi's regime with 50,000 African mercenaries to attack the civilian anti-government protesters in Libya.

Global CST had obtained the permission for providing the mercenaries to Gaddafi from the Israeli officials in advance.

The US insisted that the UN resolution [on Libya] was worded so that no one from an outside country that is not a member of the ICC could be prosecuted for their actions in Libya.

This means that mercenaries from countries such as Algeria, Ethiopia and Tunisia – which have all been named by rebel Libyan diplomats to the UN as being among the countries involved – would escape prosecution even if they were captured, because their nations are not members of the court.

And that is where the Israeli-funded African Mercenaries come into play. To crush those rebels. And then the US will provide diplomatic cover in the Security Council with its Veto and with this new immunity from war crimes resolution. Then, with the rebels sufficiently crushed, the US will be able to move in with its own pliable set of puppets, culled from the remainder of the Libyan populace that wasn't stalwart or brave enough to rise up, but instead stood on the sidelines. From the ranks of them will bribes and blackmail and coercion by the US and NATO be drawn the future puppets of an oil-rich North African nation.

I can't find the story on Christian Science Monitor but here is an equally interesting set of links for anyone willing to look outside of their comfortable box.

http://my.firedoglake.com/marsdragon/2011/03/04/the-us-demands-that-israeli-funded-african-mercenaries-be-granted-immunity-from-war-crimes/

http://www.palestinepost.org/2011/03/israel-intervenes-in-libya-for-gadaffi.html

[HX1]

gop didnt kill 700,000 they saved your state. have a nice day.

no the rebels are going to die because people like you dont care. no one is talking about invading libya. we are talking about a no fly zone. that would give the rebels a chance of removing gaddafi themselves.

gaddafi then going to kill the tribes that supported it. just like saddam did in 91-92. many women and children are going to be killed and rape by gaddafis troops.

usa steal oil?? really. shaking head. have a nice day too.

First off I am talking about the Republican proposal which is not been accepted... and I am not discussing the GOP...

The rebels are not going to die because people like me don't care... as if you can't tell by the budget cuts and what not.. we are going to ware.. the same way it happened in 2001... Like I mentioned above.. ' Doesn't this seem similar....'

Also take another look at what I wrote and how I wrote it.. I am saying just the opposite.. and the only reason the oil was procured and protected.. was for the fact that it would have crippled many countries.. Just like if your troops can't get supplies in the winter and food .. they will die..

Lastly I think I really have nothing to respond to you .. in any way... You attack most of everything in which I post because I do no t blindly support your Republican views.. THAT ISN"T VERY AMERICAN... I really believe I am more American than anyone blindly running off at the mouth... or killing this country by taking away its fundamentals and becoming a warring entity..

USA is not a limitless resource.. I mean really and truly I wish people would really listen to what they are actually even saying.. Its right there... If we can't even invest in our own people and industry.. what the hell can we do.. Invade other countries like Hitler?

On the war note.. nobody said they want this to happen.. and if you know War Law you would know that simply put for lack of listing pages and pages ... If on the offensive.. you do not have to ave the blessing or involvement of the UN, or NATO... Yes 9/11 did happen.. it was real.. it was an attack on our soil.. we have a right to nuke them off the face of the planet of we decide.. ( of course there are laws regarding that sort of nuclear power as well ).. When you are aiding in another country the situation is much different.. EVEN if within that country .. your own people are being killed... This isn't a personal view.. these are stated facts...

..and yes you have other alliances and other elements to worry about.. Still don't even see how the retort is even associated to what I said in either post..

The Republicans are not saving anything.. still haven't.. and in the last four years I have seen more hope and jobs that I have seen build in the past.. now we are working to undo that .. and you going to call someone UNAMERICAN.. for not wanting to go backward to war-torn time.. when your people are coming home in body-bags maimed and in pieces.. when you can't afford to put gas in the car or even find a job.. a time in which Businesses are still teetering on bankruptcy... and still appealing to the government for bail-outs? I am called UNAMERICAN or wanting to build something and get out of this cyclic whole we have been sucked in to by mis-management and blind ignorance.. Fear by pulling funding for all of these things and putting it into a war machine.. while everything and yes including businesses which are not huge global corporations.. is allowed to have no value .. is put out in to the cold.. veterans, teachers... 1.9 Million students who will no longer be able to go to school...

Hey I know.. how about I put my 'Rape face' on .. so you can {} call me American... so I can quit giving a fuck about this country and go on as if there s nothing wrong.. and blindly trust the wrong decisions as being the action to take..

{} The day people like you pull their head out of their asses and get their fucking priorities straight will never come too soon... The day that these idiot no longer sit in a chair and make decisions that keep there separatist asses warm at night and their puss-guts full.. will never come soon enough..

For ten years or more I have experienced nothing but poverty .. and suffering... starting will a slight decline in retail profitability in 1999... next we had terrorist regime attack of country.. the minute Bush set foot n the White House.. the middle-east goes crazy every time the Republicans come to seat.. Explain to me why that is being exploited from countries who do not even share the same soil..

Next explain to me why that this winds up doing nothing more than leaving our budget .. our country and our people in a world of hurt every time it happens...

I don't want to be here anymore if this what people call doing the right thing.... You sit here and talk shit behind your {} appliances while someone is {} you in the ass every chance they get and then want to have something to say to someone who is tired of seeing all of the wrong shit done.. and nobody giving a damn about nothing more than THEIR country...

Not giving a damn isn't AMERICAN.. in fact I do care about whats going on there and in Japan most of all... BUT we are never going to do anything but kill ourselves and empty u pocketbooks into areas which will do nothing more than turn around and do it again.. WE can't keep floting a trillion dollar deficit and finacing every war that takes place..or upheavel the globe or world over..

We have had wars, International tragedies.. storms.. revolutions, murders...bombings... our own people in our government trying their damnest to kill this country.. and now.. we have to go save how many more countries before we can do anything for ourselves..

I am sick of it.. sick of the killing, the war, I am sick of the pain, and the hatred.. I am tried of these clusterfucked dumbasses telling us what we are going to do.. much the same way this dictator in their country holds his country hostage... we are held hostage by the ignorance...

Delete my account.. this thread.. I don't really care what happens.. but the fighting right here on our soil is a fucking problem.. to dumb to do the better thing and even fight a resolve... while we sit here an shit-peddle this fucking shit back and forth across the god damn table.. your country is fucking dying and so are people all over this fucking globe..

You want to know what I mean by ignorance? .. take a look in the mirror... Take a look at this {} thread.. I know just as well you will turn right back around and o the same thing...

As far as I am concerned I don't mean a thing .. You have bigger problems to address before anything ever changes..

[LeetPirate]

As you all know we value your opinions and try our best to accommodate what you have to say, however we all know what was coming next so to protect you from yourselves I believe now is the right time to close this topic.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts.

Now everyone chill out and go read some other topics. :)