Muammar Gaddafi says he will die a martyr rather than quit

[Lite]

Muammar Gaddafi refused to step down as Libya's leader in a televised address on Tuesday afternoon saying "I am going to die here as a martyr" and accusing "forces affiliated to foreign forces" of seeking to "disfigure, undermine and tarnish the reputation of the country".

The dictator said he would not to give up power and attacked "the tyranny of the US" and other countries.

"We shall remain here and defiant," he said, calling on supporters to take to the streets to back him on Wednesday.

Gaddafi, dressed in brown robes and pounding his fist, accused "sick people within the nation" of trying to seduce others into rebellion with money and drugs. "This is my country, watered by our blood and your blood," he said.

His defiance came as the United Nations security council met in closed session to discuss his brutal crackdown in Libya. There were fears of a bloodbath following Gaddafi's earlier appearance in the capital city, Tripoli, to deny he had fled the country.

Libya's deputy ambassador to the UN, Ibrahim al-Dabashi, appealed for international intervention, starting with a no-fly zone over the country, to help stop "a real genocide".

Rebel soldiers claimed they had seized control of eastern Libya and blasts were heard in the city of Tobruk as the UN refugee agency urged Libya's neighbours to give refuge to those fleeing the violence.

"All the eastern regions are out of Gaddafi's control now ... The people and the army are hand-in-hand here," said a former army major Hany Saad Marjaa.

Runways at Benghazi airport have been destroyed in the violence, according to the Egyptian authorities. The country's second city has been the scene of alleged massacres in recent days.

The death toll in Libya passed 250 on Monday after six days of unrest, but this is a conservative estimate. The International Federation of Human Rights estimated the death toll of up to 400.

Parts of Tripoli were attacked by fighter jets and helicopter gunships overnight. Twenty-six people also died in the eastern city of Al Bayda as it came under fire from forces using aircraft and tanks, according to one eyewitness report.

British Airways and bmi have cancelled flights from Heathrow to Tripoli, while the Dutch airline KLM and the Arab carrier Emirates are among other companies to have also suspended services in and out of the Libyan capital. The Foreign Office is reviewing its advice to Britons without "pressing need to remain" to leave by commercial means, if safe to do so.

During the protests in Egypt, the UK laid on a charter flight and was urgently looking into similar options as the Libyan crisis deepened.

The Ministry of Defence is investigating whether naval forces could rescue stranded Britons. The frigate HMS Cumberland is remaining in the Mediterranean instead of returning to the UK to be scrapped. But Libyan ports are said to be closed. "We are monitoring the situation closely. The safety and security of British nationals are our top priority," said a MoD spokeswoman.

Gaddafi appeared briefly on Libyan state TV on Monday to deny reports that he had fled the country. "I want to show that I'm in Tripoli and not in Venezuela. Do not believe the channels belonging to stray dogs," he said, holding an umbrella in the rain and leaning out of a vehicle. The station said he was speaking outside his house.

As his forces launched air strikes against protesters amid apparent confirmation of claims that African mercenaries were being used to quell the violence, the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, condemned the "very disturbing and shocking scenes". He said he had spoken to Gaddafi and "forcefully urged him to stop violence against demonstrators". Ban told reporters: "This is unacceptable. This must stop immediately. This is a serious violation of international humanitarian law."

The Arab League is to hold an emergency meeting in Cairo. At least seven Libyan ambassadors have resigned in protest over the killings, although other senior diplomats remained in their post while appealing for Gaddafi to step down.

In New York, Dabashi said there must be a no-fly zone "on the cities of Libya so no mercenaries, no supplies of arms will arrive to the regime". He told a press conference that he and other UN diplomats were not resigning because they served the people of Libya, not the regime.

"This is in fact a declaration of war against the Libyan people," he said, while surrounded by a dozen Libyan diplomats. "The regime of Gaddafi has already started the genocide against the Libyan people."

Libya's ambassador to the US, Ali Aujali, said he was resigning; he had previously said he was not quitting his post because he was "on the "good side" of the Tripoli government.

He told ABC's Good Morning America: "This regime is shaking and this is the time to get rid of it. Please, please, help the Libyan people. Help them. They are burning. We need the world to stand up by us … I resign from serving the current dictatorship regime. But I will never resign from serving our people until their voices reach the whole world, until their goals are achieved."

Libya's ambassador at the UN, Abdurrahman Mohamed Shalgham, told the pan-Arab newspaper, al-Hayat, that all diplomats at Libya's mission supported Dabashi, "excluding me". Shalgham said he was in touch with the Gaddafi government and was trying "to persuade them to stop these acts".

The country's ambassador to India, who resigned over the crackdown, said African mercenaries were being employed by Gaddafi. "They are from Africa, and speak French and other languages," Ali al-Essawi told Reuters, adding he had been told there had been army defections.

"They [the troops] are Libyans and they cannot see foreigners killing Libyans so they moved beside the people."

In Al Bayda, resident Marai Al Mahry told Reuters by telephone that 26 people, including his brother Ahmed, had been shot dead overnight by Gaddafi loyalists. "They shoot you just for walking on the street," he said.

"The only thing we can do now is not give up: no surrender, no going back. We will die anyway, whether we like it or not. It is clear that they don't care whether we live or not."

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Fidel Castro says US plans NATO invasion of Libya

Cuba's former leader Fidel Castro says it's too early to criticize Libya's government - but just the moment to denounce something says is planned: A U.S.-led invasion of the North African nation.

Castro uses a column published in Cuban media on Tuesday to accuse the United States of planning a NATO invasion of Libya to control its oil. He says that might happen "in a question of hours or very short days."

He says the plan "has to be denounced."

The Communist revolutionary is more cautious about reports by Arab and Western news media that troops loyal to his Libyan ally Moammar Gadhafi have slaughtered civilian protesters. Castro says, "We have to wait the necessary time to know with rigor how much is fact or lie."

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[LeetPirate]

I heard on BBC today that civilians were prevented from claiming the dead bodies of their relatives unless they sign a release form stating that their relative died in surgery.

And they also lured those people into a building under false pretence then sniped all of them to death.

I won't feel sorry for Gaddafi when he dies.

[HX1]

I honestly think someone needs to walk in and hold the government hostage for their own actions.. and punish them under War/Crime Law.. This is horrendous... Forget the oil.. they are slaughtering their own people.. using a perspective that they have been hijacked by criminals... Its a method used of propaganda to allow individuals such as the USA.. and others to step back and be apprehensive until they can gather intelligence.. Which they may already have... and even turn the people themselves against doing anything about it.. while they save face and kill everyone that knows anything or is even looking suspect to be against them.. Turning your guns on your people.. like this... I don't have the words for it... Someone needs to shut it down.. and bring their terror/genocide to an end... NOW

As far as I am concerned.. the m07h3rfu(k3r is going to die a piece of 5h17.. nothing more.. Nothing more than dust of the true tyranny.. and genocide.. He is an idiot to even think that anyone is going for that..

[hullboy]

[myidisbb]

oil 335. up 30 cents. f!@3 nOmaba.

i hope the same happens in iran. the only way iranain people will be free is protest loudly and burn the government down. this is how the 2 nations in northern africa felled and soon libya. without they attacking they will get beaten down like year ago or was it 2 years ago?

the good think is this is break opec

[LeetPirate]

It always amazes me that the times when America really need to invade a country with military force they just sit back and talk about it. I didn't follow up but how does Israel feel about this issue?

Gaddafi is openly breaking so many laws and he does not care. I heard on BBC today he is openly inciting violence, he instructed his supporters to take to the streets and fight against the "greasy rats". He truly believes he will die a martyr in the end but somebody needs to send him a copy of the Oxford English dictionary because he is confused about the meaning of martyr, in truth he will really just die a sad criminal.

I feel sorry for these people, they are being openly shot down for expressing what should be a right of every citizen. They are the ones dying as martyrs as they bravely protest for their rights and the rights of their people.

[shajt]

I just don't understand one thing, all those dictators were good for decades , I mean we are talking here about 30-40+ years of the same regime ....

Some of them were even put there and financed by USA (Mubarak) for all those years.

And now all of the sudden , we have this going on in middle east, country by country ...

IMO it's all about the oil, sadly for all those people dying in the streets for "democracy" , I think that nothing will change for them, it may even get worse.

One guy will be replaced by another USA/NWO puppet and that's all.

But because of "unstable middle east situation", price of oil will go up and up, higher and higher ...

Richer will get richer , and poor will get poorer.

[myidisbb]

I just don't understand one thing, all those dictators were good for decades , I mean we are talking here about 30-40+ years of the same regime ....

Some of them were even put there and financed by USA (Mubarak) for all those years.

And now all of the sudden , we have this going on in middle east, country by country ...

IMO it's all about the oil, sadly for all those people dying in the streets for "democracy" , I think that nothing will change for them, it may even get worse.

One guy will be replaced by another USA/NWO puppet and that's all.

But because of "unstable middle east situation", price of oil will go up and up, higher and higher ...

Richer will get richer , and poor will get poorer.

hopely their people actually do get a voice. cant wait for that very special nation to overturn its "rulers"

[Atasas]

There is support, but there is "support"

to be clear- any "western" help to one or the other- will be betrayed as sell out, so affect will be opposite to intentions.

US... all eyes are on them, but at the end of day-only easy to blame them- they can not just start wars , especially since started ones are not finished and US is being smeared for them. Egypt- great and"lucky" to have such outcome, but that was not about US or anybody , but own army making good call in changing sides and keeping order. In Libya whole situation is even more complicated and potential support would be even more twisted because of possession of Oil.

Do hope it will end soon,(getting rid of dictatorship) but expectancy of economical miracles is wrong as it will take long time to improve in any case. It is worldwide economic slow down

[henz]

the situation get worse than before compared to egypt etc..

the government does not take their citizen as their own people, some kind of bombing, you know ?

i don't really care about who will win( :sorry:),

just hope that innocent people doesn't get hurted.

[RadioActive]

Martyr my ass! He's just a crazy man who's driven mad with power!

[LeetPirate]

There is support, but there is "support"

to be clear- any "western" help to one or the other- will be betrayed as sell out, so affect will be opposite to intentions.

US... all eyes are on them, but at the end of day-only easy to blame them- they can not just start wars , especially since started ones are not finished and US is being smeared for them. Egypt- great and"lucky" to have such outcome, but that was not about US or anybody , but own army making good call in changing sides and keeping order. In Libya whole situation is even more complicated and potential support would be even more twisted because of possession of Oil.

Do hope it will end soon,(getting rid of dictatorship) but expectancy of economical miracles is wrong as it will take long time to improve in any case. It is worldwide economic slow down

Yes you are right, it is a tough decision to make because the US is on good terms with Libya of recent times.

I know there are many sides to a story and actually many good thing happened under Gaddafi, they dismantled their weapons programmes and mended ties with Italy, EU, and USA, US even lifted sanctions against them and things were progressing very well. I don't know what happened or where it all went wrong. The reason why all eyes are on US is because they set that precedent for themselves to appear as the saviour of everyone, now the world is looking to them to see what they will do. Anytime things like this occur now the first cries for help are directed towards USA because they are expected to upkeep their historical patterns.

In my personal thinking I also find it sneaky that these things are happening so frequently now and the outcome is that oil prices are rising, my conspiracy theorist part of my mind is tingling. :sneaky:

[Atasas]

nah, no sneakiness, just whole region is awakening as what they have for rulers and one example is leading to another, all countries dictatorships are different and problems, extent off too- but common economic crisis is factor as well as under one or other pretext regimes are outdated by few centuries. Not my usual stance about democracy, though it is best structure and there are no better ways currently.

It is different, but at the same time so similar to 1980-2000 central and eastern European changes. Countries are freed, there are enormous democratic changes, but all have different success rate and economically some had great time earlier, but lately not many can be as joyful of economic success as it has been anticipated.

Still, killing of own citizens is appalling and if not nation inside, not much realistically is doable by outside world short of starting a war...

[myidisbb]

Martyr my ass! He's just a crazy man who's driven mad with power!

that is what 40 years in power does. he was 27 when he took over.

[myidisbb]

well, looks like gaddafi will live and stay in power thanks to obama's pro dicator policy. what a worthless f. he completely ignore liyba in his speech yesterday. started talking about japan and then went straight into attacking gop for like 15 plus minutes. what a real worthless f.

[Atasas]

well, looks like gaddafi will live and stay in power thanks to obama's pro dicator policy. what a worthless f. he completely ignore liyba in his speech yesterday. started talking about japan and then went straight into attacking gop for like 15 plus minutes. what a real worthless f.

I blame revolutionaries/protesters them-self for being so anti US

[myidisbb]

well, looks like gaddafi will live and stay in power thanks to obama's pro dicator policy. what a worthless f. he completely ignore liyba in his speech yesterday. started talking about japan and then went straight into attacking gop for like 15 plus minutes. what a real worthless f.

I blame revolutionaries/protesters them-self for being so anti US

they are all anti us and western european. but frankly gaddafi got to go and this is the only chance of him dying a nasty death like he needs. if reagan was president we would have had a no fly zone ourself. russia and the arab league is not going to agree anyway. the AL is at war wth its self at the moment.

lets face it even bill clinton would attack libya and had a no fly zone.

[karachidude]

well, looks like gaddafi will live and stay in power thanks to obama's pro dicator policy. what a worthless f. he completely ignore liyba in his speech yesterday. started talking about japan and then went straight into attacking gop for like 15 plus minutes. what a real worthless f.

I blame revolutionaries/protesters them-self for being so anti US

good one,made me chuckle,as if US really cares what libyans think and want :lol:

[myidisbb]

well, looks like gaddafi will live and stay in power thanks to obama's pro dicator policy. what a worthless f. he completely ignore liyba in his speech yesterday. started talking about japan and then went straight into attacking gop for like 15 plus minutes. what a real worthless f.

I blame revolutionaries/protesters them-self for being so anti US

good one,made me chuckle,as if US really cares what libyans think and want :lol:

i care. people in the miltiary really dont like seeing a government miltiary killing civilian. besides gaddafi needs to pay and go for once and all.

[HX1]

You know .. lately as far as I am concerned.. I say NUKE the planet... I really have grown absolutely tired of the cyclic stupidity and ignorance.. even the Republicans have chosen to kill over 700,000 jobs 10% of which come from my state.. AND they used a loophole to force the BILL to law in Wisconsin.. Its another mirror of what happened for eight years under Bush... People had no say or control over the government under Republican majority.. instead they do whatever they please and the only thing they continue to protect is big business... Eventually the American people themselves will be left out in the cold and emaciated as the government and corporations stay fat with money and power.. even with a decent President in place and people willing to fight for it.. when you have corruption and politicians who are blind to nothing more but their own concerns and they do not represent the people.. you will continue to have the corruptive cycle...

Eventually there will be nothing more for the people to care about.. and there won't even be anyone left with the strength to fight back and keep what this country stands for in place... They only ideas that these so-called Representatives entertain is their own reasoning.. thick-headed and stubborn like mules.. It would seem that they get the animalistic representation completely backward.. the Donkey should have been the Reps not the Dems..

We are in for another failure for the next 4 years... rest assured.. starting out paying $4.00 a gallon for gas while Republicans put Energy and resource reform under the table for the fourth time in ten years to try to save BIG OIL companies... They can talk all they want to about it putting more strain on businesses but in fact it actually creates jobs and revenue for people.. ( alot less if you save it n its current state .. not to mention other side effects and other effects.. ) and business since it takes peoples money for businesses to exist.. You leave the people out in the cold and the only thing left for them to actually rely on is shuffling money back and forth between governments and business.. the people themselves are meaningless to them yet its the only way to pull out and change the problem.. it is short sighted and selfish .. with their own interest in mind to go that route... ON TOP of being the dumbest resolve I have ever seen... Its the same EXACT action that wound us up here in the first place.. letter for letter.. all of it should be memorable if you watch this sort of thing... The country.. the US .. is its people.. when you ignore their education.. their funding.. make them stupid and allow them to backslide ten years in manufacturing, tech and production.. you have this effect..Our GNP is in the toilet...unless the address the basis of this problem starting with the people themselves and the business who are and should be producing their products here and exporting them... even our grain which is exported is taken for granted... Our money is no good and we have no value... there is nothing we don't rely on .. that is coming from our own land.. instead we import everything.. rely on other countries... all programs to start these things in motion are being gutted in congress as we speak..on top of the demoralized state in which people start to exist...

We are being gutted like dead fish... and we are headed toward the same ends as the middle east...

Right now.. to be honest.. I think its a horrendous result.. I think the people in those areas should be freed from this form of slavery.. from this state of unrest which has raged on ignorantly and blindly for hundreds of years.. BUT to be honest.. I couldn't care less right now... our own country is under attack from stupidity and ignorance, short sighted-ness and greed.. as well as a perspective that its forth right in resolve and action for our survival.. While in truth its the one-pointed cycle that keeps putting us here..

We have our own problem right now... they will not fix as long as this cycle is supported and we have no say... there should be a real check put on these branches of government and there should be something done about it.. we cannot keep going round and round like this while we are slowly worn down and put out for the slaughter...

I wish for these countries better luck than what we are having on our own soil.. I mean it should speak for itself about how incompetent we are at that.. Instead of being a symbol for you dreams.. let it be a symbol about what not to fucking do.. Let that shine for the whole GLOBE to see... because obviously learning from our mistakes is never going to happen.. Just a bunch of old men .. set in there ways sitting around fighting blindly .. throwing shit back and fort across the table at one another because they underdeveloped to the point that their existence doesn't even serve a purpose.. Thats right people .. hot-air and pussguts..

If I could I would move fro this country .. for one that actually doesn't try to devour its own face.... and eats itself and its young..alive

[bashar]

well, looks like gaddafi will live and stay in power thanks to obama's pro dicator policy. what a worthless f. he completely ignore liyba in his speech yesterday. started talking about japan and then went straight into attacking gop for like 15 plus minutes. what a real worthless f.

I blame revolutionaries/protesters them-self for being so anti US

So just because the people want their freedom Plus their oil not being stolen by USA

USA will reply by dealing with dictator , and don't care about human rights ?! Woops , talk about Human rights

I hate oil , i hate dictators , i hate who supports them or get rid of them , pretending to be the Human rights hero

in the end me and the whole world know one good fact

they don't care about human rights and all of that shit , they care about how many tanks of oil they're going to steal in the next country

USA is selling it very good

[karachidude]

well, looks like gaddafi will live and stay in power thanks to obama's pro dicator policy. what a worthless f. he completely ignore liyba in his speech yesterday. started talking about japan and then went straight into attacking gop for like 15 plus minutes. what a real worthless f.

I blame revolutionaries/protesters them-self for being so anti US

good one,made me chuckle,as if US really cares what libyans think and want :lol:

i care. people in the miltiary really dont like seeing a government miltiary killing civilian. besides gaddafi needs to pay and go for once and all.

thats a very kind sentiment u and and ur military buddies have there,they could always arrange therapists for u peeps to calm the nerves :lol: ..what ever is happening in libya is there problem,they can and will sort it out themselves..support and sanctions by the international community are one thing..but america invading libya would only make matters worst,no country likes foreign invasion,they are cruel and humiliating,every one knows if america invades it will only be to plant there puppet,for what ever personal motives

[HX1]

...guess thats why we went over there to keep our gas prices from going up over $4 a gallon...

I am also guessing that NATO's involvement means nothing either? .. or the fact that control over the actions of this country have to go through the UN before anyone does anything... or that in effect intelligence on the backing and starting of this could be terrorist regime supported ( even though I know that the majority of the extremist are not terrorist but believe in force to procure their beliefs.. ) .. or that maybe this is a residual wives tale that started when every President with the last name of Bush.. decided to invade Saudi soil... that had nothing to do with a hike in gas prices then.. Maybe its supposedly the shareholders who are driving the wars themselves.. all about the money.. :think: Not the thousand of people killed on our own land by the activist which seek refuge in these areas of course.. or the dictators i these areas who leech and feed off of these operations and even the sell of weapons to these people... I wander what sort of unrest needs t be created.. to support one of the few commodities that there are in those countries.. :think:

We can't just stand up and straighten our suit.. Raise a finger like a call for a drink at a bar and send a smart bomb through Gaddafi's front-door and into to his mouth before detonating ( where it belongs )... Because you see.. this would be a war crime as well .. the difficult thing.. is to stand up and point the finger at someone.. and take proper sanctioned action through the necessary channels.. without become the same piece of shit that your standing up against..

Really.. the US has always taken on these elements.. and stands to 'Police the Globe...' but the fact of the matter is that many countries do not want this and other circumstances may not always be what they seem.. ( this is not in vindication of anyone either ) ... and we cannot do this without cooperation and support.. We are not a limitless resource at disposal... and we cannot do this .. with financial and global challenges on our doorstep which also keep us from doing so.. Technically and simply put .. if we are crippled in anyway.. especially financially... we do not have the option to protect anyone... not even ourselves through innovation or anything else.. obviously... and maybe this is the objective of some the necessary powers at be... so that their interests are procured.. Maybe this is why we do not have backing and support from them... and of course continued lack of support for addressing some the global economic problems..

I agreed with the point of hating oil and dictators.. I agree that something is severely wrong.. but to blame blindly.. would ignorant of elements in the future and past which play a role in all of this.. and because the human race has enslaved themselves to the value of a dollar.. to barter and trade.. because we don't use and have a better means of existing, co-existing.. and that those resources are not evenly distributed amongst all lands.. and peoples.. this will always happen.. Money sucks.. and its much easier to make a win with it.. and do something benefits one or the other than it is to find peace and make people happy.. you also cannot educate them to point .. that they think properly and that in itself will always be effected and unstable in one way or another.. people involved who specialize in one area or the other will never be capable of actually covering the bases.. because of the time and experience needed to develop these skills.. and at that you have to have everyone on board.. no one person is ever able to fight a war on their own.. especially one that spans an entire globe.. and many countries with many problems...

Its in our history.. from Rome and Pre-Roman.. to now... its always the same thing.. and as each residual problem continues to rear its ugly head we are reminded cyclic-ly that it has never been addressed.. that instead .. the mentality inside the box.. is never at rest, concreting the problem in place.. with each action.. and each habitual cyclic thought - of routine... we damn ourselves to this ..

Where and at what point will people be able to allow interaction.. and freedom of working together to make the planet and its people work for a positive existence.. raising our standards of living.. ( in which we would probably over-populate and suck the planet dry, like the locusts we are... ) instead of trying to wipe the other out because its more for me.. or just walking in and taking it.. because of the power and ability of an entity to do so.. Blame that... that's the problem.. even the problem that lead to the current state of things...

That hasn't happened..

[myidisbb]

gop didnt kill 700,000 they saved your state. have a nice day.

no the rebels are going to die because people like you dont care. no one is talking about invading libya. we are talking about a no fly zone. that would give the rebels a chance of removing gaddafi themselves.

gaddafi then going to kill the tribes that supported it. just like saddam did in 91-92. many women and children are going to be killed and rape by gaddafis troops.

usa steal oil?? really. shaking head. have a nice day too.

[shought]

I think it's safe to assume that you're all wrong, as I find it highly questionable that a single person's view is 'exactly right' in this scenario. There are way too many things to consider.

Yes the US sucks at some aspects, yes the US doesn't suck at other aspects.

Yes the revolutionaries made mistakes at some points, yes the revolutionaries made the right decisions at other points.

There are way too many aspects to this 'issue' to have a proper discussion about it, so let's just settle this by saying we're all wrong, ok?

(Adding to that I'd like to remind you of the course of previous discussions about politics and the like; please do not make me close this topic ;))