Karlston Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 New Windows 10 driver system could lead to errors, Microsoft warns Driver verification is intended to improve security but it could be frustrating for end users (Image credit: Shutterstock) As part of its recent October 2020 Patch Tuesday updates, Microsoft has made a significant change to the way in which Windows verifies drivers that could lead to headaches for end users. The reason behind the change is well-intentioned as the software giant wants to prevent malware from exploiting vulnerable hardware drivers to compromise Windows 10 systems. Microsoft's new driver verification model will certainly help protect users but it could also lead to driver errors in Windows 10 if the company is unable to verify the software publisher of a driver. Currently Windows 10 displays two driver error messages that users might seen when the verification process fails. The first error message reads “Windows can't verify the publisher of this driver software” while the second reads “No signature was present in the subject”. These error messages imply that Windows discovered an improperly formatted catalog file while trying to validate a driver and that the installation process will fail. New driver system According to a Microsoft support document, users “should contact the driver vendor or device manufacturer (OEM) and ask them for an updated driver to correct the issue” if Windows 10 is unable to verify a driver. While this makes sense, Windows 10 users will likely be frustrated by the fact that they now have to reach out to a company with such an odd request as the result of a change Microsoft made to its own operating system. Thankfully though, users are most likely to experience these issues when they apply old driver updates. However, installing an older driver can often be the only fix available when a company releases a new driver that doesn't work. Hopefully Microsoft's new driver system will improve over time but if you do receive a driver error message before then, you'll have to reach out to a driver vendor or device manufacturer directly with the hope that they have an updated driver ready to fix the issue. New Windows 10 driver system could lead to errors, Microsoft warns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x3r0 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Microsoft has to create a "whitelist" for the old, non updateable drivers due to various reasons, like the vendor is no longer available, support of the product is no longer available, etc. Or the users must change to new equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 13 hours ago, x3r0 said: Microsoft has to create a "whitelist" for the old, non updateable drivers due to various reasons, like the vendor is no longer available, support of the product is no longer available, etc. Or the users must change to new equipment. Lol or switch to Linux, Windows 10 have been having problems with drivers every since it came out in 2015 in Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 you had to use 3rd party drivers when Windows 10 came out AMD drop support for many older cards that came with Windows 7 and Windows 8 and put the drivers on Windows updates and windows catalog. Well the ones they had on Windows 10 updates for TH1 would not work on my card it would install them but hardware acceleration was broke . So i had to hunt around and the only 3rd party drivers i could find was Beta that would install on Windows 10 . So i had to disable auto driver updates and use DDU to remove the broken ones Microsoft gave me on auto updates. They fixed the Drivers on the next release TH2 and that was the last time Microsoft updated them. Now there going back on there promise of maintaining them from Windows updates so if it breaks or they dont have them for yours you have to buy new hardware or use Linux. If your hardware is so old they dont have them on Windows update you need to buy new hardware anyway i think. Edit: Problems with old hardware go back to Windows Vista that's why you had so many holdouts on Windows XP there cards could not handle anything newer . Sooner or latter old hardware is going to stop working on Windows 10 same thing happen to Mac-OS 10 before Apple has been giving free upgrades for many years . Its been 5 years Windows vista , 7 and 8.1 was only supported for 10 years . They not going to keep supporting you forever. M$ sells hardware now like Apple and gets a windows tax if you buy a new PC with Windows. It dont matter if you switch to mobile they also get money from installing Android over patients they own that Google uses. I knew once the ended support for Windows 7 they would start doing this .I have one PC that it was like 11 years ago when we bought it still like new because i never used it much. It came with Vista Microsoft sent me Windows 7 for free for buying it I upgraded it to windows 10 and rolled it back to windows 7 . I guess if i ever fell like it ill just wipe it and put Linux on it since I dont use Windows really anymore . It could have drivers on Windows update who knows but I'm not going to waste my time finding out. But after 11 years why would i expect a company that sells software to support it? Selling New hardware has never been a long term problem for M$ and there going figure out a way or they going to end up selling it as a service. If they ever get Windows 10 stable that's when you better watch out because they will do the same as they done to Office and doing to XBOX. You should of thought about all this before you took the windows 10 plunge . Microsoft is not wrong by doing this using old drivers is dangerous . But there new driver system is a shit show because they never had there developers to make open ones like they have on Linux were they could bake into Windows . Intel and AMD even back-ports fixes to play games and stuff on Linux for Old cards in there open drivers. Microsoft only has closed drivers. AMD , Intel and others drop support on Windows like a hot potato. Only thing M$ has built in is a wrapper were you dont have hardware acceleration just to get you booted up long enough to install better drivers. When i posted the news Windows 10 was going some block some 3rd party drivers after you done Oct updates I knew it was going to cause problems like this . My post says the same thing even https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/resolved-issues-windows-10-2004#1492msgdesc Any OS when they change the way drivers are it breaks things . I had the same problem with the 1st release of Windows 10 in 2015 and Ubuntu Linux in 2016 with one of my PCs . Windows you could go back to using Windows 8.1 but if your key is for older windows you have no support now. Microsoft fix sucked they put working closed drivers on Windows updates with TH 2 and AMD are not going to support it because they dropped support for them on Windows. In 2016 AMD drop support on Linux for closed drivers but made really good open ones. So all i had to do is wait on AMD to back port them to my card . So every since years ago it was fixed. Now i get driver updates from the Linux Kernel from AMD open source . Same as my Intel PC i get those in the Linux Kernel from Intel open source . I had so little problems on Linux in so long ive not used Windows 10 in 3 years and i hardly ever boot into Windows 8.1 anymore but still have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 hours ago, steven36 said: Sooner or latter old hardware is going to stop working on Windows 10 same thing happen to Mac-OS 10 before Apple has been giving free upgrades for many years . Its been 5 years Windows vista , 7 and 8.1 was only supported for 10 years . They not going to keep supporting you forever. Back in may they told users this in M$ gibberish were most normal users wouldn't understand . Windows 10 2004 upgrade may be blocked due to old graphics drivers https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-2004-upgrade-may-be-blocked-due-to-old-graphics-drivers/ From the comments there someone who speaks Microsoft gibberish and understands That was 4 months ago it all downhill for people who took the windows 10 plunge and done the free upgrade time to anay up and pay the PC overloads there share and buy new hardware or switch to Linux . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zookini Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 17 hours ago, steven36 said: Lol or switch to Linux, Who hasn't? I switched to it about a decade ago... Actually using Linux is not that difficult. It may look daunting at first, though. 13 hours ago, steven36 said: Windows 10 2004 upgrade may be blocked due to old graphics drivers If Microsoft goes down this path, many users may not switch to using Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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