How Apple was as evil as Google

[steven36]

But no one cared

 

 

When Google started gutting the effectiveness of ad blockers on its Chrome browser, there was an outcry; but for some reason, no one cared that Apple had done the same thing for a year and a half.

 

Google wanted to limit the maximum rules an extension could pass to Chrome to 30,000, which many Chrome extension developers said was extremely low, and wouldn't even begin to accommodate the likes of ad blockers, parental control or traffic inspection extensions.

 

The company was immediatelly attacked for trying to "kill ad blockers" and after months of criticism, Google eventually backed down on its initial plan and settled on a higher limit ranging from 90,000 to 120,000, a number that many extension developers, and especially those managing ad blockers, still consider insufficient.

 

On the other side, when Apple rolled out the new Content Blocker API, it enforced a maximum limit of 50,000 rules for each new extension that wanted to block content inside Safari. Of course AdBlock was running faster. It had fewer rules to apply than before.

 

Unlike Google, Apple never received any flak, and instead, the Tame Apple Press pushed a sound byte that Apple was caring about users' privacy, rather than attempting to "neuter ad blockers".

 

One of the reasons might be that few people use Apple's Safari, and Apple doesn't rely on ads for its profits, meaning there was no ulterior motive behind its ecosystem changes. Besides Apple fanboys tend to believe what ever their Mighty Overlord tells them.

 

But there is another reason which might not be so nice. Apple is known to have a heavy hand in enforcing rules on its App Store, and that developers who generally speak out are usually kicked out. It's either obey or get out. Unlike in Google's case, where Chrome is based on an open-source browser named Chromium and where everyone gets a voice, everything at Apple is a walled garden, with strict rules.

 

Apple was never criticised for effectively "neutering" or "killing ad blockers" in the same way Google has been all this year because the pressure normally starts with extension developers, but it then extended to the public. In Apple's case, developers will never to complain because it could result in them being kicked out of Apple's store.

 

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[Karlston]

Some of the Content Blocker apps on iOS work around the limit by splitting their filters into multiple Content Blockers. For example, AdGuard shows 5 different Content Blockers in my iPad’s settings, 

[tivstip]

there is no sense for fudzilla writing this article now. Apple is doing  more now than google in terms of privacy and always protected his customers from google.

 

and developers always had to comply to google requests, use they search by default, sending their telemetry and so on. Clearly the guy that worte this is either retarded , either was born yesterday 

[dhjohns]

I never had any problems with ad blockers not working properly in Chrome or with Google violating my privacy.  If they are violating my privacy I certainly know nothing about it, and I haven't had any repercussions.  I mean how would anyone know?  Would someone walk up to me and say "Hey buddy, google let me know about all that porn you watched yesterday, I hope you were having fun!"  Nope, that never happened.

[steven36]

9 hours ago, Karlston said:

Some of the Content Blocker apps on iOS work around the limit by splitting their filters into multiple Content Blockers. For example, AdGuard shows 5 different Content Blockers in my iPad’s settings, 

 

The problem  being with content blockers

1.Your unable to whitelist individual pages or domains

2. Safari's content blockers are super easy to circumvent by anti-ad-blocking tech

3. The great thing about this Firefox is getting more Apple users

4.  No adblockers work 100%  Even using Nano Defender for Firefox and Chromium with UBO  there are some sites they not on there list were anti-ad-blocking tech will block you from using a adblocker.

5.  If anti-ad-blocking tech blocks  you  and your using content blockers you want be able to visit the page without turning the adblocker all the way off, I know I also have ad-blocker in my host that's for Mac and Linux System wide  and there are some sites i can't visit at all without tor browser because there blacklisted. So if they have rules you dont want there is no way to unblock the site  and still block ads.

 

8 hours ago, dhjohns said:

I never had any problems with ad blockers not working properly in Chrome or with Google

Are you for real ? I guess you have not  they not updated to  Manifest V3 API yet only so far  they only done it too Safari . I've not even have no problem with Chromium yet and BRAVE  claims they not going neuter adblockers like Google is but only time will tell. The problem with Brave not doing if you have and extension not from Google store BRAVE will turn it off .. I'm not sure about using unpacked  ones but  not many noobs knows how to use unpacked ones in dev mode.

[steven36]

10 hours ago, tivstip said:

there is no sense for fudzilla writing this article now. Apple is doing  more now than google in terms of privacy and always protected his customers from google.

They can write what they want its called freedom of  the press  and i agree with them.. You say Apple  does more to protect users from Google ? The 1st thing they need to do is stop taking multi billion dollar payoffs for making  Goggle there default search engine then i would start thinking they mean business    .Ether Privacy is everything or it's nothing and Apple have weak privacy compared to lets say Linux  were they give you a choice  of the matter ( Firefox on Linux Mint don't even come with Google Search you have to add it yourself)  . On Apple they charge developers a $100 for them to be able get Safari Extensions. published  its like there trying to kill there own browser that don't have much marketshare no way.

 

On IOS  Firefox have Extensions and  there is  not much difference because on iOS, Apple has never allowed third-party browsing engines. All are  webkit they don't even give you a choice  of using Chromium or Geko engines . there just front end wrappers for there default  webkit engine . Apple is a  there way are the highway platform .

[tivstip]

from google chrome and apple  you got to firefox on linux mint 😂

i think we need to stop here, only nonsense

[steven36]

1 minute ago, tivstip said:

from google chrome and apple  you got to firefox on linux mint 😂

i think we need to stop here, only nonsense

I don't post nonsense only facts.   That i can back up

Google reportedly paying Apple $9 billion to remain default search engine in Safari on iOS

https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/28/google-paying-apple-9-billion-default-seach-engine/

 

On Android and the major desktop platforms, different browsers use different rendering engines. Safari uses WebKit, Microsoft Edge uses EdgeHTML, Chrome uses Blink, and Firefox uses Gecko. On iOS, Apple has never allowed third-party browsing engines.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/new-chrome-for-ios-is-finally-as-fast-and-stable-as-safari/

 

Search engines in Linux Mint

https://www.linuxmint.com/searchengines.php

 

[zigzag]

Apple users should use safari to download another browser with better ad blocking.

I personally don't really care about Apple as i don't use their devices.

[tivstip]

7 hours ago, steven36 said:

I don't post nonsense only facts.   That i can back up

Google reportedly paying Apple $9 billion to remain default search engine in Safari on iOS

https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/28/google-paying-apple-9-billion-default-seach-engine/

 

On Android and the major desktop platforms, different browsers use different rendering engines. Safari uses WebKit, Microsoft Edge uses EdgeHTML, Chrome uses Blink, and Firefox uses Gecko. On iOS, Apple has never allowed third-party browsing engines.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/new-chrome-for-ios-is-finally-as-fast-and-stable-as-safari/

 

Search engines in Linux Mint

https://www.linuxmint.com/searchengines.php

 

i dont know in what century do you live and your capabilities of understanding articles that you post but in this century expression like  "freedom of speech" you talk about became paid articles. Also apple is not retarded to refuse 9 billions google offer because are free money and  people are not that rookie in this century to search on google "where do i buy friends dvd's", they go directly to netflix, they dont search on google where do i buy tv, they go directly to amazon, ebay and so on. Not to mention they spend 1 % of their total time on mobile in a browser that has nothing to do with google , just the search engine, the rest of 99 % spent on mobile is on socialization apps as well that has nothing to do with google.

i know its easier for you to use emoticons  like  and act like you understand what you write but you dont impress me. others that are clueless like you, maybe

[Karlston]

@tivstip   By all means debate posted content, but please refrain from personal attacks against the poster.

 

You may want to revise your post.

 

I will lock this topic if there’s any more.

[steven36]

9 hours ago, tivstip said:

i dont know in what century do you live and your capabilities of understanding articles that you post but in this century expression like  "freedom of speech" you talk about became paid articles. Also apple is not retarded to refuse 9 billions google offer because are free money and  people are not that rookie in this century to search on google "where do i buy friends dvd's", they go directly to netflix, they dont search on google where do i buy tv, they go directly to amazon, ebay and so on. Not to mention they spend 1 % of their total time on mobile in a browser that has nothing to do with google , just the search engine, the rest of 99 % spent on mobile is on socialization apps as well that has nothing to do with google.

Taking  Bribes from Google Yes in a business  sense is it retarded not to take the money . But in a privacy sense being a company who claim to push privacy and exposing your users to Google's data Collection is fake privacy . Apple  is no more of a privacy Company than Google or Microsoft  is  have you ever bothered reading there privacy  policy? they use Advertising to target you .

 

Contextual information may be used to serve ads to you, such as:

• Device Information: Your keyboard language settings, device type, OS version, mobile carrier, and connection type.
• Device Location: If the Location-Based Apple Ads System Service is enabled, then your location may be used to serve you geographically relevant ads. Your precise device location is not stored by Apple’s advertising platform, and profiles are not constructed from this information. To access this setting, go to Settings > Privacy > Location Services > System Services > Location-Based Apple Ads.
• Searches on the App Store: When you search on the App Store, your query may be used to serve you a relevant ad.
• Apple News and Stocks: The type of article you read may be used to select appropriate ads.

 

We create segments, which are groups of people who share similar characteristics, and use these groups for delivering targeted ads. Information about you is used to determine which segments you’re assigned to, and thus, which ads you receive. To protect your privacy, targeted ads are only delivered if more than 5,000 people meet the targeting criteria.

 

On Apple News and Stocks, we may assign you to segments based on the topics and categories of articles you read, and the publications you follow, subscribe to, or enable notifications from. No segments are created from search terms on the App Store.

 

On the App Store, Apple News, and Stocks, we may use information such as the following to assign you to segments:

• Account Information: Your name, address, age, and devices registered to your account. Information such as your first name in your Apple ID registration page, or salutation in your iTunes Account may be used to derive your gender.
• Downloads & Activity: The music, movies, books, TV shows, and apps you download as well as any in-app purchases.
• Activities in Other Apps: App developers, subject to their own privacy policies and applicable laws, may provide information regarding your in-app purchases and activities such as game level completion.
• Advertising: Your interaction with advertising delivered by Apple’s advertising platform.
• Other Segments: For specific advertising campaigns, advertisers may match information they have about their users with Apple’s information to create segments, which must contain at least 5,000 people. Advertisers can use an Advertising Identifier, or other information they have about users, such as a phone number or email, to match users to segments on Apple’s advertising platform. During the match process, these identifiers are obscured to limit personally identifiable information being disclosed. To choose which segments they match users to, Advertisers may use information they have from interactions with users. This information is acquired and used subject to the Advertisers’ own privacy policies.

 

When selecting which ad to display from multiple ads for which you are eligible, we may use some of the above mentioned information, as well as your App Store browsing activity, to determine which ad is likely to be most relevant to you. App Store browsing activity includes the content and apps you tap and view while browsing the App Store. This information is aggregated across users so that it does not identify you.

 

Apple does not know or make available to advertisers information about your sexual orientation, religious beliefs, or political affiliations. No Apple Pay transactions or Health app data is accessible to Apple’s advertising platform, or is used for advertising purposes.

 

Apple does not sell or otherwise transmit any personally identifiable information to third parties. We are obligated to make certain non-personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide our products and services, help Apple market to customers, and sell ads on Apple’s behalf.

 

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223

 

Google  claimed they don't sell your data to 3rd parties like Apple do  but they was caught red handed doing it. Even if Apple  use there ad info for themselves like they claim your subject to everyone else and there bothers privacy policy too on there devices so the point is moot!

 

Brave uncovers Google’s GDPR workaround

https://brave.com/google-gdpr-workaround/

 

 

Being targeted  with ads and them keeping logs with your personal info  is not good for privacy and in a business  sense it makes good sense why they neutered ad blockers because Apple is targeting you with ads because there Pseudo Privacy  . Every company put up  smoke and mirrors  to to protect themselves because they being probed by the EU ,US  and Russia Antitrust   .

 

Tim Cook even has favoritism with the President no wonder hes up for impeachment . What happen to the days people bought iPhones because they were good products ? Not based on fictional privacy that they took advantage of because people were parniod because of the Snowden leaks. It's nothing but a marketing gimmick . I tell you what happened Steve Jobs died  and Google Android happened and it dont matter if it on Desktop or Smartphone there a 2nd place company so they need marketing gimmicks to sale at all because there hardware is outdated and too expensive . Women like  Macs because the shinny i can go get some spray paint and paint my PC  and make it shine too. Cosmetics and Eye Candy don't make a good desktop .

 

Apple Helped FBI Identify Alleged Owner of World's Largest Torrent Site

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/21/apple-helped-identify-kickasstorrents-owner/

 

Smartphone Users are Paying for Their Own Surveillance

https://billmoyers.com/story/smartphone-users-paying-for-own-surveillance/

 

On 9/24/2019 at 6:46 AM, steven36 said:

Besides Apple fanboys tend to believe what ever their Mighty Overlord tells them.

Most Apple users take  it for granted what Apple says is true without investigating the facts .

 

Hidden iPhone trackers harvest data while you sleep

https://www.komando.com/happening-now/569770/hidden-iphone-trackers-harvest-data-while-you-sleep

 

Google and Microsoft may target you with ads like apple does  but at lest they don't lock there customers in like  Apple does at lest you can install  Win 32 apps on Windows  and use Portables . And on Android at lest you can side load apps. they have more piracy than windows even . when was the last time you seen a cracked IOS app ? 

 

 Is Apple Evil? You Betcha!

https://techspective.net/2018/11/30/is-apple-evil-you-betcha/

 

I never had a desire to buy a Apple product and never will and i been  on the internet for 18 years now . If i had and MAC  i would most likely just install Linux on it  why would i want to waste my money on  that , when I can buy Windows PC much cheaper and do that? . If you buy anything Apple you got ripped off and that's your problem not mine.

 

10 reasons you should buy a Windows PC instead of an Apple Mac

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-windows-pc-vs-apple-mac-os-2018-5

 

As far as freedom of the press , that has nothing to do if they get paid  or not they have to eat so most journalist get paid  .They still have the right to say what they want  at lest in my country they do. Even our President moaned  about the press  but there is nothing he can do because the constitution  protects them.

 

Freedom of the press in the United States is legally protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. This amendment is generally understood to prevent the government from interfering with the distribution of information and opinions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_the_United_States

 

I dont buy DVDs  unless they blank DVDs from Walmart  . When my friend ask for DVDs  i just go download a 3 or 4 GB 720p rip DRM free from a warez or Torrent site and burn them a DVD i dont watch them myself i have enough movies on my drives to last for years raw video files,

https://www.vso-software.fr/products/download-convertxtodvd-free.php

 

 

 

[tivstip]

you forgot to put the links with apps from Play Store infected with malware,adware and so one that were downloaded by more than 1 billion people or are there and i cant see them ?