Microsoft guy: Mozilla should give up on Firefox and go with Chromium too

[Karlston]

A Microsoft program manager has caused a stir on Twitter over the weekend by suggesting that Firefox-maker Mozilla should give up on its own rendering engine and move on with Chromium.   

 

"Thought: It's time for @mozilla to get down from their philosophical ivory tower. The web is dominated by Chromium, if they really 'cared' about the web, they would be contributing instead of building a parallel universe that's used by less than five percent?" wrote Kenneth Auchenberg, who builds web developer tools for Microsoft's Visual Studio Code.

 

Auchenberg's post referred to Mozilla's response to Microsoft's announcement in December that it would scrap Edge's EdgeHTML rendering engine for Chromium's. The move will leave Firefox's Gecko engine as the only alternative to Chromium, which is used by Opera and dozens of other browsers. 

 

Mozilla CEO Chris Beard said at the time Microsoft's decision will give Google more power to "single-handedly" determine how people use the web. Beard argued that Mozilla needed to compete with Google "because the health of the internet and online life depend on competition and choice". 

 

If Chromium had near-monopoly market share, developers would only need to build their sites and apps to work with Chromium, he said, projecting a return to the pre-Firefox 2000s when Microsoft's Internet Explorer had a monopoly on browsers.   

 

Few people agreed with Auchenberg, including engineers from both Mozilla and Chromium. Long-serving Mozillian Asa Dotzler was not impressed. 

 

"Just because your employer gave up on its own people and technology doesn't mean that others should follow," Dotzler replied to Auchenberg. 

 

Auchenberg clarified that he didn't want to see Mozilla vanish, but said it should reorganize into a research institution "instead of trying to to justify themselves with the 'protectors of the web' narrative".

 

Debate over Firefox's future turned to Google's 2013 decision to fork WebKit's WebCore to create Chrome's Blink rendering engine due to disagreements with between Google and contributors from Apple and elsewhere. 

 

"I think you forget that Google started off WebKit with Chromium and eventually forked due to disagreements. They started from a common foundation. Didn't boil the ocean," Auchenberg wrote to Mozilla Firefox program manager Chris Peterson. 

 

Peterson reckons it will be only a matter of time before Google and Microsoft clash over what patches to add to Chromium. 

 

"Google, Apple, and Mozilla have different agendas. Eg, would Google accept patches from Apple or Mozilla to add tracking protection to Chromium? How long till Microsoft and Google disagree?" wrote Peterson.

 

Auchenberg laid out his thinking on the matter of Mozilla throwing in the towel on the browser market. 

 

"As the complexity grows, you reach point where you 'have to' build on top of existing layers to be able to deliver the basis and to compete. This is where we are with the web platform today. Boiling the ocean and insisting on your own implementation is suicide," he explained. 

 

He also disagreed with the idea that Chromium would dominate the web as Internet Explorer did because the former is open source. 

 

Source: Microsoft guy: Mozilla should give up on Firefox and go with Chromium too

[Anshb]

Well if Microsoft really cared about the web, then they would've switched to Gecko engine rather than Blink! 😑

[Alanon]

I'm not one to defend Microsoft, but it does seem to me that there is a problem here. Mozilla decided to become more like Chrome in every way except the engine, in the worst possible manner - using half-measures: by this point it looks like Chrome, but not entirely; uses the same memory hungry process/sandbox or whatever it was that Chrome pioneered; uses WebExtensions, but not entirely (just enough not to be compatible and easier on users). It willingly put itself at a disadvantage by mimicking the features that Chrome is actually best known for. 

 

At this point, I'm not sure what an engine change would imply that Mozilla hasn't already manifested and done to itself? Rebuilding your entire add-on infrastructure at a moment of declining usage was an idiotic move, and signalled a deep identity crisis that Mozilla has not recovered from. Nobody squeezed the champions of the people out, they are leading themselves into obsolescence. I don't know of anyone who now uses Mozilla that isn't a die-hard fan of what Mozilla used to be. Mozilla walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but speaks as if it were still a lion.

 

Bear in mind that privacy/security/advertisement concerns with browsers are a different conversation entirely, although the matter frequently gets injected into these arguments. Data collection and privacy policies are matters of business, not of Gecko / Blink or Edge. Mozilla is uniquely suited to be a guardian of sorts - it could add privacy and security features to the Chromium project, and help rid the open source derivatives from Google's grip. Instead, Mozilla constantly asks our trust and (moral) support, yet remains strangely arbitrary in its decisions, which it can't afford.

[Karlston]

Yep, for about three and a half years Microsoft themselves ignored the dominance of Chromium and went their own way with Edge.

 

Now that they've adopted Chromium, they're like someone who's found religion and everyone else needs to change and do the same.

 

It's just sour grapes and envy from Microsoft because their Edge experiment failed miserably, while Mozilla's Firefox is still doing sort of OK, certainly better than Edge ever did.

[Ha91]

Mozilla guy to Microsoft's guy:

"Just because your employer gave up on its own people and technology doesn't mean that others should follow," Dotzler replied to Auchenberg. "🤣

I have never seen such a juxtaposition with Microsoft 😛

#FirefoxForever