Matrix Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 What just happened? It’s no secret that the US government doesn’t trust Huawei. Devices from both it and fellow Chinese firm ZTE are banned from American agencies and contractors, but a new report claims the Trump administration doesn’t want to stop there–it’s trying to persuade telecom companies in allied countries to avoid using the firm’s equipment. According to the Wall Street Journal, US officials have reached out to their counterparts in countries where Huawei’s telecom equipment is in widespread use to warn them about what the US has long seen as a cybersecurity risk. These include Germany, Italy, and Japan, which are home to American military bases. The US government has been issuing warnings about the perceived security threats posed by Huawei since 2012. Back in February, bosses from six US intelligence agencies said using a telecoms device from the company could put you at risk of having personal data accessed or stolen—a result of its alleged close ties with the Chinese government. In August, President Trump signed the Defense Authorization Act, which bans US government agencies and contractors from using certain tech from Huawei and other Chinese companies. Citing anonymous people familiar with the matter, the WSJ said the US might offer countries an incentive to shun Huawei by boosting their financial aid for telecoms development. Huawei, which was founded by former People's Liberation Army engineer Ren Zhengfei, recently moved past Apple to become the world’s second-largest smartphone seller—it’s already the world’s largest producer of telecoms equipment. Despite these distinctions, US officials have constantly warned Americans not to use its products, Australia has banned the company from supplying parts for a 5G mobile network, and it has faced criticism in the UK over potential threats to national security. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioHazard Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 US is the biggest hypocrite. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienForce1 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 The best response would be banning Apple in China (for the same reasons) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 5 hours ago, BioHazard said: US is the biggest hypocrite. 😂 Ain't this the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 20 hours ago, BioHazard said: US is the biggest hypocrite. 😂 Wall Street Journal don't say who gave them this info or even who in government suppose to had said it . The media are the ones who are doing harm to Huawei by reporting this crap and this is not even new news, the USA have been doing this along time. . Quote Morgan Patrick, former Huawei PR: At China HQ, for 3rd Parties, Freelance 31w ago Wherever the U.S. government has influence, at home and abroad, Huawei market access is blocked. But there is no comprehensive bans except for government and military contracts. —U.S. diplomats have been busy abroad killing Huawei deals in Jamaica, South Korea, Australia, the Balkans, well, everywhere that U.S. influence and an airport exists. —Western Mainstream Media has been destroying Huawei’s reputation by airing reports that the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the Department of Defense, and so on, are all issuing warnings that Huawei devices are spy-gear and a threat to national security. So while there is monumental resistance against Huawei, there is no official ban. After Wall Street Journal report this they caused China stock market to take a down turn.and got a bunch suspended. Over 100 companies suspended from trading as China tech stocks rocked by news US urging allies to blacklist Huawei https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2174694/over-100-companies-suspended-trading-china-tech-stocks-rocked 20 hours ago, AlienForce1 said: The best response would be banning Apple in China (for the same reasons) I wish China would ban all USA companies and make them all leave it would be great if they did not depend on us at all , we made stuff in the USA just fine tell 17 years ago and we would have to do it again lol. Apple is just one company who you hear about a lot who makes things in there country . But that's just the beginning of it and it would not even hurt Apple in the long term . That's the big difference Apple is made in China while Huawei is not made in the USA so China would only be hurting themselves. Just about all electronics people are using in the USA was made in China . The jobs didn't start leaving for other parts of Asia tell this year. It seems most US internet companies are ban in China already and the ones that are not are not very successful in China . Microsoft been over there for years and no one likes there search engine and everyone over there pirates Windows. That's why I doubt even if Google went back to China and got unbanned they would not ever be successful too much competition from China's own services . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websites_blocked_in_mainland_China Apple are no help to the USA they sent most of there manufacturing jobs to China years ago ,they put there profits in offshore accounts so they don't have to pay much taxes most people they employee in the USA are just Management , Apple stores and tech designers . Once they draw up the blue prints its made in China. There Iphones are not even selling good anymore They went to the White House and sucked up and there products are even exempt from Tariffs . Apple is one of few things left made in China they don't have pay a fine on for shipping it to the USA . but still there products cost more than everyone else. You can buy a PC made in the USA cheaper you can buy a Mac they took advantage of the fact the USA had no cheap smart phones for years now there luck ran out because now there flooding the market . There’s about 440 million people’s job related to Apple.Inc in China while in the USA they only employ 47,000 workers .Apple could bring back only part of them jobs to the USA and employee almost everyone out of work by themselves . Any thing sold in China that comes from the USA China charges there people more for it than if they buy China made while China stuff in the USA is cheaper than USA made for most things except for greedy Apple they are the only exception i can think of. Everything made in the USA sold in the USA , is mostly a company's high end line that only rich people can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 when i see Wall Street Journal i 1st think this movie I want you to deal with your problems by becoming RICH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 4 hours ago, knowledge said: when i see Wall Street Journal They the ones who leak info about that guy from the NSA who took Kaspersky home and is in prison now . They drug Kaspersky threw the mud, same as they are doing Huawei now, when they is no real ban on ether one in the USA only the government ban it. Same as when the The Intercept leaked out that info about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and now Reality Winner is in prison for it. The media was the reason Congress has been investigating it for over two years if it was not for them it would never be known. The Governments China , Russia and the USA spys already know whats going on. Just like Huawei and Kaspersky knew what was going on with the USA government without the press dragging them trough the mud and causing home users to stop using them. They say it will be 3 years before that Russia probe deep into 2019 before it 's over . Trump says if they try to impeach him over it, he will make it drag on tell his 4 years is up by taking it to high court . But there whole case is based on someone they put in prison for leaking it to begin with witch makes them look like morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steven36 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, knowledge said: usa never end with them You mean the USA propaganda will never end I bet none of these reporters in the USA that report it use Huawei. Android phones from the USA and China are not even the same thing . China banned Google .. China phones don't use the same apps we do. Apple phones are made in China . Samsung makes some phones in China when you buy a phone from them you don't know were it comes from tell you buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namek Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Well I have Huawei devices and equipment. I did a lot of research, reverse engineering. I can say for sure that Huawei has as much backdoors as Cisco equipment. Sends so much data to Chinese servers, that I was shocked. US also does a lot of spying, mostly through facebook, some apps and OEM equipment sold in US. I am not here to defend China or US. They are both evil empires, especially China. You all are allowed to choose your poison. But if I were You, I wouldn't use Huawei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, namek said: Well I have Huawei devices and equipment Is your Android phone like one from the west were depend on Google services lol so you send all your info to Google USA and to China? Even Windows 10 if you don't uninstall Facebook app sends data to Facebook plus to Microsoft.. I don't use smart phones ..The phones are more smart than the user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steven36 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, knowledge said: if u cant show proof of backdoors then u lie Not really with closed sourced apps it really can't be proved what they do with your data , only you know they are using it for something . Even if it can proved there is no back doors like it has been proved in some Chinese open source software they are none , many still want use it out of fear that China Government could put a back door in and update. People don't need proof all they need is fear of it to not use it , even proof don't change there mind and nothing will. . And you can thank the media for brain washing them. Its just like the OP post as soon as they seen it they believe the USA government said that well there is no real proof they said it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 This is a classic case of "Pot calling the kettle black." This is like Bill Cosby calling Harvey Weinstein a Rapist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, ghost said: This is a classic case of "Pot calling the kettle black." It don't matter that Google or Facebook spy on you people in the west have been in denial about it for has long as i can remember . What matters is Its just like the OP post as soon as you seen it you believe the USA government said that , well there is no real proof they said it .And many people it puts it in there subconscious mind to not use it and other stuff made in China. You may be Anti USA but your opinion will not cause governments to trust them that already blocks them and people at home who don't trust them to trust them enough to use it.. I been doing research on it and many people say even though there is no proof they rather not risk taking a chance on it because they are paranoid about it . The media has been driving people bat shit crazy . True or not and not all news is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nir Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 “The United States of America does not have friends; it has interests” -John Foster Dulles (February 25, 1888 – May 24, 1959) No country does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, steven36 said: It don't matter that Google or Facebook spy on you people in the west have been in denial about it for has long as i can remember . What matters is Its just like the OP post as soon as you seen it you believe the USA government said that , well there is no real proof they said it .And many people it puts it in there subconscious mind to not use it and other stuff made in China. You may be Anti USA but your opinion will not cause governments to trust them that already blocks them and people at home who don't trust them to trust them enough to use it.. I been doing research on it and many people say even though there is no proof they rather not risk taking a chance on it because they are paranoid about it . The media has been driving people bat shit crazy . True or not and not all news is true. I am not anti american in any way shape or form. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Remember, when the American media was chanting war cries about "WMD" that lead to the iraq war. Who do you think fed the media that BS idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info999 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 because Huawei beats Apple ? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/01/huawei-beats-apple-smartphone-manufacturer-samsung-iphone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nir Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, ghost said: I am not anti american in any way shape or form. Of course not. How one sees depends on the glasses one wears. It has always been this way but it's more pronounced and noticeable in the prevailing political climate worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 42 minutes ago, nir said: Of course not. How one sees depends on the glasses one wears. It has always been this way but it's more pronounced and noticeable in the prevailing political climate worldwide. Very true my friend very true. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nir Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, ghost said: Very true my friend very true. A friend never lies to his friend. Good, bad, or ugly. Tells as she sees. This is the reason countries do not have friends, only interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nir Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Also see: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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namek Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/24/2018 at 11:11 PM, steven36 said: Is your Android phone like one from the west were depend on Google services lol so you send all your info to Google USA and to China? Even Windows 10 if you don't uninstall Facebook app sends data to Facebook plus to Microsoft.. I don't use smart phones ..The phones are more smart than the user. I don't keep or use sensitive information on my Android phone. But yes, it actually tries to send a lot of information to chinese servers and does send a lot of information to google servers. I have blocked internet access to chinese servers for system apps, can't block google, since so many apps rely on their services, especially instant messaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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