Karlston Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Migration watch: Windows 10's user share is rising again, and Windows 7 resumed shedding users in May. Microsoft A kind of sanity returned to Windows' status in May as the outgoing Windows 7 finally dropped some significant user share while Windows 10 padded its tally. According to U.S.-based analytics vendor Net Applications, Windows 7 sloughed off 1.8 percentage points last month, accounting for 41.8% of the user share of all personal computers and 47.3% of all those running Windows in May. (The second number is larger than the first because Windows powered 88.4% of all PCs, not 100%.) May's decline was the largest in nearly two years, excepting a late-2017 reset when Net Applications purged its data of criminal bot traffic. The change from past months was dramatic: In both March and April, Windows 7 gained ground, exactly the opposite of what Microsoft wants to see as it pushes customers to adopt Windows 10 and rid themselves of the older Windows 7. Meanwhile, Windows 10 increased its user share last month by nine-tenths of a percentage point to reach 34.7% of all PCs, and 39.3% of all Windows personal computers. That, too, was in contrast to the two months prior, during which Windows 10 backtracked by a total of eight-tenths of a point. The news for Microsoft may have been good in May, but long term, the outlook is still unsettled. Basing a forecast on Windows' past 12 months movement, Computerworld estimates that Windows 7 will account for nearly 35% of all active Windows editions in January 2020. At that time, Windows 10 should power 57% of all Windows laptop and desktop PCs. The latest numbers advanced the cross-over point for Windows 10 - when the newer OS will run a larger percentage of all Windows PCs than the older edition - from February 2019 (using April's numbers) to November 2018. The latest trend line for the two operating systems shows that at the end of this year, just 12 months from Windows 7's retirement, Windows 10 will run 45.6% of all Windows systems, while Windows 7 will power 43.2%. Elsewhere in Net Applications' data, the user share of Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 - long combined by Computerworld - stayed steady in May at 6.5% of all personal computers and 7.3% of those PCs running a Windows flavor. The 2012 (and for Windows 8.1, 2013) operating system accounted for about the same fraction of last month's Windows-based online activity as the ancient Windows XP, which still held a 5% user share. Within a year, Windows 8/8.1 should drop below 5%, another confirmation that the OS was a Microsoft flops. The dramatically-different Windows 8/8.1 never caught on, peaking in November 2014 at around 18%, or several percentage points lower than the top mark of 2007's much-more-derided Windows Vista. Also, in May, user share for Apple's macOS fell by two-tenths of a percentage point, to 9%, after climbing almost that same amount in April. Linux, whose loyalists have perennially touted the open-source OS as the cure to the world's ills, recorded a one-tenth percentage point boost in May, returning to the plus side of 2% after two months below that bar. Net Applications calculates user share by detecting the agent strings of the browsers people use to visit its clients' websites. It then tallies the visitor sessions - which are effectively visits to the site, with multiple sessions possible daily - rather than count only users, as it once did. Net Applications thus measures activity most of all, although differently than rival metrics sources which focus on page views. Source: Windows by the numbers: Sanity returns as Windows 7 sheds user share (Computerworld - Gregg Keizer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Sanity I dont think so it more like insanity , 12 months tell the end of updates and everyone is hooked on the patch like they on the crack rock will end up doing windows 7 in , even if the prediction is right windows 10 has been a failure for them Android ended up getting more users than windows because Windows phone was a big failure and they missed the billion users they wanted by years . It was as slow as Windows 7 overtaking Windows XP and Windows 10 was free for the 1st year even.. They could not even give it away... Ill just sit back and laugh and watch and see what happens on Windows 8.1 and Linux for few more years my Patch dont run out no time soon . Even XP didn't go out without a fight they had millions of users years latter with no patch and no zombie virus ever infected XP like they claimed it would just a bunch of M$ PR. 43.2% of all desktops 12 months before judgment day is nothing to brag about no OS has that many users on it when M$ was fixing to put it out to the pasture. Every version windows 10 is put out to the pasture to the consumer in just 18 mths and when 2023 comes and the end of Windows 8.1 updates comes will end any hopes consumers ever had about a Bill Gates Microsoft ever happing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straycat19 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Karlston said: Net Applications calculates user share by detecting the agent strings of the browsers people use to visit its clients' websites. It then tallies the visitor sessions - which are effectively visits to the site, with multiple sessions possible daily - rather than count only users, as it once did. Net Applications thus measures activity most of all, although differently than rival metrics sources which focus on page views. Does anyone else notice something definitely wrong with the way they determine user share? They could get a more accurate sample if they just blindfolded an employee, placed post-its with percentages on a board and had the employee throw a dart. I don't see why anyone would move from 7 to 10, that is comparable to playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded revolver. I still have a couple dozen retail licenses left for 7, so I definitely will not be upgrading any time soon. And despite what Microsoft says it runs fine on Kaby Lake processors complete with updates, if you want them 1 hour ago, steven36 said: Even XP didn't go out without a fight they had millions of users years latter with no patch and no zombie virus ever infected XP like they claimed it would just a bunch of M$ PR. . XP is not dead yet. Bank ATMs are still running on XP. It is obvious when they take one down and you see the XP screen. And they haven't been hacked yet either. I also know that many manufacturing robots are running on XP because the software will only run on XP. I think it is the people at Microsoft who are infected with a zombie virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurch234 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, steven36 said: Sanity I dont think so it more like insanity My thoughts exactly. 1 hour ago, steven36 said: with no patch and no zombie virus ever infected XP like they claimed it would I haven't installed any patches on my Win 7 since August of 2017. My security solutions along with safe practices should prevent that. 14 minutes ago, straycat19 said: XP is not dead yet. Bank ATMs are still running on XP. It is obvious when they take one down and you see the XP screen. And they haven't been hacked yet either Of course they haven't been hacked. You would need direct physical access to the machines to accomplish anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, lurch234 said: I haven't installed any patches on my Win 7 since August of 2017. My security solutions along with safe practices should prevent that. I have a windows 7 laptop that's on my network ive not patched since Update 5/21/2017 wanacry patch MS17-010 and it just has ESET Smart Security on it and its been just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurch234 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, steven36 said: it just has ESET Smart Security on it As do I. Along with Malwarebytes premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, straycat19 said: Does anyone else notice something definitely wrong with the way they determine user share? I don't think there's a way to accurately determine the number of unique users running a given OS. Browser User Agent strings have nothing user-specific in them, so (for example) every browser access I make increments the Windows 8.1 count. The evil part of me suggests a great practical joke... 1. A few hundred million 7, 8, and 8.1 users spoof their User Agent strings to be Windows 10, just for a month. 2. Watch the fanboi-press and Microsoft go multi-orgasmic over the soaring Windows 10 adoption. 3. Revert to using the correct 7, 8, or 8.1 User agents for the next month and watch the press and Microsoft faint when they see the huge plummet in Windows 10 numbers. "Hello, you've reached Microsoft in Redmond. Currently we have no one available to take your call, but be assured that your call is important and will be answered as soon as our employees regain conciousness and complete PTSD counselling" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarre™ Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Dream on M$ because history will simply repeat itself. It happened with Windows 98, then XP, and now 7. Maybe if you release another OS that's not utter garbage (e.g., thoroughly tested updates, no spying through telemetry, etc.) people will jump ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banned Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 5:10 PM, straycat19 said: XP is not dead yet. Not dead for me either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davmil Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 3:32 PM, steven36 said: Sanity I dont think so it more like insanity , 12 months tell the end of updates and everyone is hooked on the patch like they on the crack rock will end up doing windows 7 in , even if the prediction is right windows 10 has been a failure for them Android ended up getting more users than windows because Windows phone was a big failure and they missed the billion users they wanted by years . It was as slow as Windows 7 overtaking Windows XP and Windows 10 was free for the 1st year even.. They could not even give it away... Ill just sit back and laugh and watch and see what happens on Windows 8.1 and Linux for few more years my Patch dont run out no time soon . Even XP didn't go out without a fight they had millions of users years latter with no patch and no zombie virus ever infected XP like they claimed it would just a bunch of M$ PR. 43.2% of all desktops 12 months before judgment day is nothing to brag about no OS has that many users on it when M$ was fixing to put it out to the pasture. Every version windows 10 is put out to the pasture to the consumer in just 18 mths and when 2023 comes and the end of Windows 8.1 updates comes will end any hopes consumers ever had about a Bill Gates Microsoft ever happing again. I'm (my clients) are starting to get pushback from some banks and financial institutions saying they must update to Win 10 for security or lose interface privileges. Both Wells Fargo & Bank of America. While I'm not sure I agree, I'll take work where I can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davmil Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Microsoft gets the O/S right about every other time is my experience since MS-DOS 3.0 (bad) 3.1 good 3.2 bad 3.3 super stable..... and on and on. For short explanation see: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debebee Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 How did you arrive at this statement? MS-DOS 3.0 bad MS-DOS 3.1 good MS-DOS 3.2 bad MS-DOS 3.3 super stable Is this based on guess work? lol BTW MS DOS STARTED from version 1 and ended with v8 All 3x are just 1 major version branch 3.x There were 3 revisions alone on 3.3 to 3.31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 10 hours ago, davmil said: I'm (my clients) are starting to get pushback from some banks and financial institutions saying they must update to Win 10 for security or lose interface privileges. Both Wells Fargo & Bank of America. While I'm not sure I agree, I'll take work where I can find it. There is no way no bank can force it's users to upgrade to windows 10 as long as M$ supports updates and they will update Windows 7 tell 2020 and still a tech savvy person can change the user agent and use xp or linux for banking and they would never know I know because we use linux with my bank all the time. If a bank told me this they be hearing from my lawyer and id put my money in a better bank . All you got to do is tell a bank is your going to take your business else were and they will shut up . Show me a link were any bank have in writing that you must use windows 10 i bet you cant. But i can show you a link were you can use Win7 Win 8.1 . From Wells Fargo bank website https://www.wellsfargo.com/help/online-banking/browser-supported/ From Bank Of America https://www.bankofamerica.com/information/supported-browsers/ Every time something is fixing to run out of updates these fanboys come on this website with there myths . It's like when old versions of IE stop getting updates they said people had to use IE 11 no they don't they can just use some other browser for banking, there are Government computers that still on old IE and the software only works on old IE so some businesses still have to use Windows 7 and put a block on IE updating tell the Government upgrades those computers to Windows 10 , some government PCs are still on XP . This has never changed and they use Google Chrome for everything else .Windows 7 is still a ways off from running out of updates even and the fanboys are all ready starting in lol. If businesses wanted they could just buy a tablet or Mac and not use windows at all for just banking Now there are some software you need windows to work but in the EU most businesses are switching to mobile and tablet for money transactions because you're 50% less likely to get hacked using Android .. Some computers from the 60s and 70s are still in use with the Government even like to do with Nuclear bombs witch there in processes of upgrading in the next 10 years or so . The more everything switches to the cloud the less PCs will be needed is what the future holds for us, we will only need windows or vms in Linux to run legacy software and maybe for games, if they don't go to another platform like streaming has witch there working on new tech to were games work great across everything . We live in the age of cross platform not in 1998 we need windows and Bill Gates anymore. They got sued for being a monopoly by the USA and EU Government so they have been investing in lots of non windows investments that there makeing lots of money off of . They sell Android TV boxes for a few 100 bucks that stream full 4k off the internet when they figure out how to do this with games windows will not be needed because no one will need to pay 1000s to play 4k video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luisam Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Even if I'm an XP , 7 and 10 user - depending on the computer I'm using, I DON'T BELIEVE in those statistics indicating that the use of Windows 7 was increasing over Windows 10! I'm quite sure it's just a statistical error!. On 6/6/2018 at 5:10 PM, straycat19 said: XP is not dead yet. Actually, XP is more alive than many even imagine. The POSREADY registry patch keeps UPDATING Windows XP until 2019! And it's just a one-liner registry entry. See link https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=POSREADY Last XP update is from 5/30/2018! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 hours ago, luisam said: Even if I'm an XP , 7 and 10 user - depending on the computer I'm using, I DON'T BELIEVE in those statistics indicating that the use of Windows 7 was increasing over Windows 10! I'm quite sure it's just a statistical error!. Actually, XP is more alive than many even imagine. The POSREADY registry patch keeps UPDATING Windows XP until 2019! And it's just a one-liner registry entry. See link https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=POSREADY Last XP update is from 5/30/2018! Businesses dont need no reg patch they already have post ready versions and 2019 is just around the corner. And when you apply that patch you're no longer using a version of windows that was available to consumers it upgrades windows XP to Post Ready so you are pirating windows if you use that patch . No banks support it even so no Businesses are using it for money transactions you have to change user agent to bank or use email or anything time to upgrade. In the USA banks are subject by law of the Electronic Transactions Act to test every OS and browser they allow there like Google in this regards there not going to test XP because Microsoft don't really support it to consumers anymore so it's unwanted overhead and if you was breached it would come back on them .Google supports Linux using there services but as far as browsers only they make Google Chrome for x64 only and many banks don't because of the small marketshare Linux have is not worth testing .So you have to change you're user agent to a different one they support so you don't get a non supported message. You may not believe what the marketshare says but it don't matter if it's true are not, as far as windows it effect how long you will get updates form 3rd party software vendors and internet supported services. Because that's why they have a market share . And businesses subscribe to netmarkshare they watch it more closely then news sites do. With Linux none of this matters but banking most everything support it now, even though it have a tiny desktop marketshare they have there own software. because most websites run off it and have a high server marketshare . The only reason XP had 3rd party support for long as it did was because of it's hi marketshare value a lot of vendors dropped support vista before Microsoft stop supporting it because it had low marketshare value. Linux has a high marketshare in Servers , Andorid Linux have a higher marketshare than windows even , also its a leader of IOT . The Linux foundation is way more valuable because it's in everything, Microsoft and Google belong to the Linux foundation even . but Linux is not and OS it's a Kernel and that crap in Windows 10 they call Linux is not even Linux its just a programing languge based on Linux Desktop /Server. It dont even run off Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luisam Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 11:47 AM, steven36 said: . No banks support it even so no Businesses are using it for money transactions you have to change user agent to bank or use email or anything time to upgrade. In the USA banks are subject by law of the Electronic Transactions Act to test every OS and browser they allow there like Google in this regards there not going to test XP because Microsoft don't really support it to consumers anymore so it's unwanted overhead and if you was breached it would come back on them .Google supports Linux using there services but as far as browsers only they make Google Chrome for x64 only and many banks don't because of the small marketshare Linux have is not worth testing .So you have to change you're user agent to a different one they support so you don't get a non supported message. Good to know, but please don't notify my banks about the issue because they might unsupport my access using my registry patched Windows XP . On the other han, If I understood correctly your eplanation, marketshare of Windows versions is evaluated according to updates. According this, my personal and rather unprofessional interpretation is that Windows 10 users tend NOT to update so this explains quiet well the lag in Windows 10's growth vs Windows 7: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davmil Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 5:24 AM, teodz1984 said: How did you arrive at this statement? MS-DOS 3.0 bad MS-DOS 3.1 good MS-DOS 3.2 bad MS-DOS 3.3 super stable Is this based on guess work? lol BTW MS DOS STARTED from version 1 and ended with v8 All 3x are just 1 major version branch 3.x There were 3 revisions alone on 3.3 to 3.31 OK, maybe it was called PC-DOS. We used the terms interchangeably as I recall. And no, it's not guess work. Dues paid in blood, sweat & tears. After 40 years of this crap I'm getting a little foggy on the rev numbers and who called what when. A quick search reveals MS-DOS 1.0 shipping August 1981 https://www.computerhope.com/history/dos.htm This pic even shows both (Seattle & Microsoft) You're right, there were quite a few between 3.1->3.31. Some of the white box clones even claimed it was their own DOS as though they were IBM while we dreamed of ever being able to afford real IBM or Compaq PC-ATs. It'd send you a copy but I finally threw out all my 5.25" disks during spring cleaning. There's a decent Wiki if anyone's old enough to care. I'd definitely forgotten about the 5.x's but sorta remember 6.0 was bad and taking a couple of rev's to stabilize but then the 6.2x's being stable and around quite a while as Windows crept in like unbaked ???. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_DOS_operating_systems salamat bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debebee Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Mircrosoft just bought their software because they were lazy then lol.. They need something better than CP/M pronto I also used DR-DOS at tha time (DR meaning Digital Research) and GEMM (their GUI OS at that time) also used Quarterdeck EMM, Spinrite, Borland Sidekick, Central Point Antivirus Norton Commander, Norton Utilities at the time Missed those days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 8:39 PM, luisam said: On 6/7/2018 at 2:40 AM, straycat19 said: XP is not dead yet. Actually, XP is more alive than many even imagine. The POSREADY registry patch keeps UPDATING Windows XP until 2019! And it's just a one-liner registry entry. See link https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=POSREADY Last XP update is from 5/30/2018! Yeah, Microsoft does have a twisted sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 09/06/2018 at 12:07 AM, steven36 said: There is no way no bank can force it's users to upgrade to windows 10 My bank (Suncorp in Australia) will shortly introduce browser restrictions for its online banking. Firefox versions earlier than 57 (or is it 59) will be banned or will have restricted access. No amount of protesting has worked, the Suncorp Browser Nannying department refuses to budge. I hope their call-centre folks have asbestos headsets when the proverbial hits the fan and customers discover that they've lost access to their money. Of course, the idiot managers who decided this will see none of the flak, and the innocent call-centre folks will wear the complaints and blame. Will be easy to defeat with any of the User agent spoofing Firefox addons. Hmmm... Firefox 999 on WIndows 95... or Netscape 3.0 on WIndows 10... those'll be worth trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhjohns Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 If a bank wants to restrict access to online banking to certain browsers, and operating systems it can. Far too many banks have been hacked for them not to take online security seriously anymore, and Windows 10 is much safer than an old OS such as Windows 7 which is dead as a door nail in two years. What would be the outcry if the bank said it was hacked because some customers wanted to continue using Windows 7? It would be horrible. So eventually all the banks will want you, as a customer, to also practice online safety. If to do that means requiring modern operating systems, and browsers, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Karlston said: Firefox versions earlier than 57 (or is it 59) will be banned or will have restricted access. No amount of protesting has worked, the Suncorp Browser Nannying department refuses to budge. The latest of Firefox work just fine on Windows 7 so do the latest version of Chrome you just do you're banking on it and use the version you want too with everything else or change you're user agent. This problem on Linux is old as the hills it use to be worse you use to have to change user agent to IE because banks didn't even support other browsers. See here my real user agent using waterfox After using User Agent Switcher You can make it say windows 10 as well you just have to find it. See im on Linux they think I'm on windows 10 using Firefox 60 https://developers.whatismybrowser.com/useragents/explore/software_name/firefox/474?order_by=times_seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, steven36 said: or change you're user agent. Yep, as I mentioned, that's the plan. Good old User Agent Switcher has been in my Firefox for many years. I hope to create some serious head-scratching in the Suncorp Browser Nannying department... "Huh? Someone's using Firefox 456 running on Windows 95???" 2 hours ago, dhjohns said: What would be the outcry if the bank said it was hacked because some customers wanted to continue using Windows 7? Basically, the smarter folks will suggest that it's the bank's lack of security that allowed it to happen, not the user's lack. Sorry, but the you-must-use-the-latest-and-greatest-of-everything-or-the-universe-will-end and updates-must-be-applied-within-milliseconds-of-release-or your-devices-will-be-pwned is just so much BS propoganda by companies such as Microsoft to con people into adopting technology that's more profitable for them and less useful to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhjohns Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, Karlston said: you-must-use-the-latest-and-greatest-of-everything LOL I always do this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davmil Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 10:07 AM, steven36 said: There is no way no bank can force it's users to upgrade to windows 10 as long as M$ supports updates and they will update Windows 7 tell 2020 and still a tech savvy person can change the user agent and use xp or linux for banking and they would never know I know because we use linux with my bank all the time. If a bank told me this they be hearing from my lawyer and id put my money in a better bank . All you got to do is tell a bank is your going to take your business else were and they will shut up . Show me a link were any bank have in writing that you must use windows 10 i bet you cant. But i can show you a link were you can use Win7 Win 8.1 . From Wells Fargo bank website https://www.wellsfargo.com/help/online-banking/browser-supported/ From Bank Of America https://www.bankofamerica.com/information/supported-browsers/ Every time something is fixing to run out of updates these fanboys come on this website with there myths . It's like when old versions of IE stop getting updates they said people had to use IE 11 no they don't they can just use some other browser for banking, there are Government computers that still on old IE and the software only works on old IE so some businesses still have to use Windows 7 and put a block on IE updating tell the Government upgrades those computers to Windows 10 , some government PCs are still on XP . This has never changed and they use Google Chrome for everything else .Windows 7 is still a ways off from running out of updates even and the fanboys are all ready starting in lol. If businesses wanted they could just buy a tablet or Mac and not use windows at all for just banking Now there are some software you need windows to work but in the EU most businesses are switching to mobile and tablet for money transactions because you're 50% less likely to get hacked using Android .. Some computers from the 60s and 70s are still in use with the Government even like to do with Nuclear bombs witch there in processes of upgrading in the next 10 years or so . The more everything switches to the cloud the less PCs will be needed is what the future holds for us, we will only need windows or vms in Linux to run legacy software and maybe for games, if they don't go to another platform like streaming has witch there working on new tech to were games work great across everything . We live in the age of cross platform not in 1998 we need windows and Bill Gates anymore. They got sued for being a monopoly by the USA and EU Government so they have been investing in lots of non windows investments that there makeing lots of money off of . They sell Android TV boxes for a few 100 bucks that stream full 4k off the internet when they figure out how to do this with games windows will not be needed because no one will need to pay 1000s to play 4k video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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