canonical Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS to Deliver the Kernel & Graphics Stack from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

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Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS to Deliver the Kernel & Graphics Stack from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

 

 

Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS will be the last in the series

 

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On August 4, 2016, Canonical will announce the fifth and last point release of its long-term supported Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) operating system, Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS.

 

Today, July 7, 2016, the company behind one of the widely used GNU/Linux distributions has announced that Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS (Trusty Tahr) will offer users the latest Linux kernel and graphics stacks from the current LTS (Long Term Support) version of the operating system, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.

 

However, Canonical is also informing those who chose to remain on the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS platform until its end of life that, by the time the Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS point release is out, they will no longer provide security updates and bug fixes for older hardware enablement (HWE) stacks for the Trusty Tahr operating system.

 

"In an effort to support a wider variety of hardware within the Ubuntu 14.04 LTS release, the 14.04.2 and newer point releases shipped with hardware enablement stacks composed of updated kernels and graphics stacks. The intention has always been for these hardware enablement stacks to only remain supported until the introduction of the kernel and graphics stack derived from 16.04," said Leann Ogasawara.

 

Ubuntu 14.04 LTS users are urged to update to Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS

 

Therefore, Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS will be a crucial update for all users of any of the previous Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) versions, including Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS, Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS, and Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS. Canonical encourages them to update their systems to Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS on August 4 or move to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus).

 

As usual, Canonical will provide instruction on how to upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS in the release notes for Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS, and they've also provided users with a new Ubuntu Wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack that explains things for them in detail.

 

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[steven36]

No body with older AMD hardware would want it.  AMD don't have no drivers for the new stack for older hardware . It looks like  Ubuntu is trying to push many of it's AMD users back to windows or other distros were they  have drivers on windows  updates still . Many people told me they used Linux for so many years and one problem or the other always lead them back to using windows in the end .Ubuntu  is worse than Microsoft  , When 16.04 came out it was all over the news everyone on older AMD hardware should stay on 14.04 LTS  now there saying its not going even have AMD drivers for older hardware ether anymore,  so it all was a big lie ! If you use Intel or nvidia you can use 16.04.1 when it comes out most the bugs should be fixed in it on the point release but there leaveing AMD users out in the cold and the most easy exit is Windows.

 

I think im going replace Linux Mint based on Ubuntu with the Linux Mint based on Debian .

[zigzag]

What performance improvement you get if you keep using old drivers?

Do you think AMD Open-source drivers not working well?

 

 

[steven36]

8 hours ago, zigzag said:

What performance improvement you get if you keep using old drivers?

Do you think AMD Open-source drivers not working well?

 

 

I cant get  the new stack and open source drivers  to boot up my Acer  LED LCD 1080p Full HD Monitor on my  PC that  has AMD Radeon HD graphics ,  With the old stack and open source drivers it will boot up and work but it takes longer   than using  the AMD Catalyst Proprietary Linux Graphics Driver , Once  i get booted up and install Catalyst all  the Monitor issues are fixed also Catalyst have setting that makes Videos not have tearing issues. and they just work better,  .  

 

Manjaro Linux .based on ARCH  with AMD Catalyst installed  plays videos and stuff much better than Ubuntu or Linux mint does anyway ,  I read others who use these  type Monitors having the same problem as me if they use AMD.. Linux  is becoming  a big headache while there is no issues at all using Windows anymore . AMD is out of the picture on Linux pretty much even once there hybrid drivers come out of beta  they will only support the newest hardware.

 

 

 

There is already a stable beta  it seems and only they support
 

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This driver only supports AMD Radeon RX 480, R9 Fury X, R9 Fury, R9 Nano, R9 M395X, R9 380X, R9 380, R9 285 graphics hardware.

AMD doesn’t want to spend a lot of time adapting its new driver architecture to support older graphics hardware. Unfortunately, lots of existing AMD graphics hardware will be left behind.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3090213/linux/amd-catches-up-its-new-linux-graphics-driver-already-supports-the-radeon-rx-480.html

 

 

 

 

With them  updating the stack this part of the news was just a myth in Ubuntu's case mostly.

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The old “fglrx” graphics driver will remain available, but people with this hardware will have to stick with older Linux distributions. Ubuntu 16.04 LTS doesn’t support the fglrx driver, for example.

Ubuntu is trying to run off what little bit of users they have  they may as well file bankruptcy. What good is a OS that you can only get good performance on if you buy new hardware or a PC ? 

 

If I wanted to use Ubuntu that bad id put it on my new Intel PC but i should not have too do  this and mess up my warranty  . I can use Windows on ether and not do anything .   

 

So  Windows is a better choice than Ubuntu .  Microsoft still supports legacy drivers on Windows

 

You can read more here about it.  AMD Graphics on Mint Mate 18

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=224140&sid=6bd6703a31341dfe034b2f216474b3f1

 

And even some Linux Distros like if you use one based on ARCH you can just hold back the stack from updating AMD Catalyst is working fine in the latest RC Linux kernel on Arch .

https://forum.manjaro.org/t/testing-update-2016-07-06-haskell-python-pamac-firefox-lumina-gnome-session/5380/4

 

So it the Buntu  based  Linux community is not on the same page as there users  they could make it work for everyone if they wanted. Manjaro developers are some the nicest Linux maintainers  who care and want to make it work for everyone  but hey there's always windows .

 

I have 3 OS  on my PC that  has AMD Radeon HD graphics   2 Linux Distros and Windows 10 . Windows 10 give me the working AMD drivers to play videos and games from Windows updates so the only drivers i have to install is AMD Radeon Crimson Chipset Driver i check for updates online for all my drivers trough windows device manger and they say there up to date. Driver updater programs are  more harmful  than good...Snake Oil .   

 

 

[steven36]

From what I read here you can use Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS  and  its still supported tell 2019 on the old stack and  the  3.x and 4.1 LTS kernels and old stack  tell 2019

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

 

You can Dl Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS from here

http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04.1/

 

 

This upgrade is only  for The 14.04.2 and newer point releases witch shipped with an updated  X stack by default.):  The 4.2 kernel expires soon after Willy does so you will have update the stack for the 4.6 kernels if you don't use Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support

 

OR You can just use Linux Mint  17 -17.3  all of these supported tell 2019 with the old stack its not very hard to use the update manger and update the 3.x  LTS kernels yourself .  They can be downloaded here

https://www.linuxmint.com/download_all.php

 

LTS kernel 3.16  Sixteenth LTS release, maintained from , May 2016 to April 2020. Used in Debian 8 "Jessie you need keep it updated .

 

[zigzag]

I tried Open-Source drivers on different distros with various results.

Now i understand your opinion.

[Hated On Mostly]

read this over on anandtech forums

 

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Uhh

Ubuntu 16.04 totally has AMD graphics drivers. They have both the radeon drivers for older cards and the AMDGPU driver for newer cards. Eventually AMDGPU will be ported over to all the supported cards and radeon drivers will be EoLed but that may take some time.

What you are referring to are the Catalyst drivers. It's AMD choice not to update those. 16.04 uses a version of X.org Server (1.18) that is not compatible with Catalyst 15.12. Canonical wisely chose to pull that driver package from their Xenial repos since it would not work. 

AMD is relying on AMDGPU to be their Linux driver from now on for all distros. Some distros may use older versions of X (or whatever else) that are compatible with Catalyst 15.12, but 15.12 is the last Catalyst that Linux gets. Period.

 

[steven36]

15 hours ago, Hated On Mostly said:

read this over on anandtech forums

 

 

I just tested Catalyst 15.12  on manjaro linux with Linux Kernel 4.7 RC6  last night it works fine

 

15 hours ago, Hated On Mostly said:

Ubuntu 16.04 totally has AMD graphics drivers. They have both the radeon drivers for older cards and the AMDGPU driver for newer cards. Eventually AMDGPU will be ported over to all the supported cards and radeon drivers will be EoLed but that may take some time.

Ubuntu don't have drivers AMD has not made yet the only ones they have out are beta  and only work on new hardware  . I been keeping up with it every since 16.0.4 was still beta . When you install 16.04 AMD  drivers don't even show up in the driver manger if you're lucky enough to get it too work with the open source driver wraper and new stack  stack to install it. I got it to work upgrading it from a old release of xubuntu  so i know but when I try to reboot it stop working because my monitor dont work right with the new stack at all. 

 

If they were to get drivers like this  it would be posted at phoronix that's were  AMD Linux developers and Beta testers hang out is on there forums

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home
 

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This driver only supports AMD Radeon RX 480, R9 Fury X, R9 Fury, R9 Nano, R9 M395X, R9 380X, R9 380, R9 285 graphics hardware.

AMD doesn’t want to spend a lot of time adapting its new driver architecture to support older graphics hardware. Unfortunately, lots of existing AMD graphics hardware will be left behind.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3090213/linux/amd-catches-up-its-new-linux-graphics-driver-already-supports-the-radeon-rx-480.html

 

 

Trying The Experimental Radeon RX 480 Overclocking With AMDGPU OverDrive Isn't Going So Well

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=23349

 

 

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Radeon/AMDGPU Updates For The Linux 4.8 Kernel

Alex Deucher has submitted the main feature pull request for DRM-Next of the Radeon and AMDGPU DRM driver changes for the next kernel cycle, Linux 4.8.

Some will be sad though, the AMDGPU material for Linux 4.8 doesn't contain the huge DAL display abstraction layer code that's needed for bringing the open-source AMDGPU driver display capabilities more on par with the former closed-source driver stack and also necessary for supporting new features like FreeSync/Adaptive-Sync.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Radeon-AMDGPU-Linux-4.8-Next

 

 

[Hated On Mostly]

Sorry to hear that.

 

Hopefully you and others will keep making noise about this and this gets resolved in the near future.

 

That usually eventually happens when it comes to Ubuntu and Linux in general.