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[Toshiro]

HEJ Banana Nut Bread Tastes good, don't make me Emo and let the emoz0rs cut you~! :(

[Rock Lee]

@ Bag Man

:lol: I didn't know they had one. I want one like yours though, you know the one with the eyes cut in it. I can picture Lite sitting at his computer right now:

@ Banana Cream Pie

:lmao: no emo screamo here. I'm not afraid of Narutuj anyway :P

[Toshiro]

@ Bag Man

:lol: I didn't know they had one. I want one like yours though, you know the one with the eyes cut in it. I can picture Lite sitting at his computer right now:

@ Banana Cream Pie

:lmao: no emo screamo here. I'm not afraid of Narutuj anyway :P

:lmao:

[Bizarre™]

[i13god]

its good to know people may be still thinking in this world

[DKT27]

I support shought on the god comment. Even I think so. But there is a huge definition I have found out by thinking of god in my mind, so I think it will be very hard to post it properly.

[demonon]

I do not believe in an almighty creature, but I certainly do have some pseudo-spiritual beliefs.

I believe that everything we know and see is just our perspective and nothing more.

There maybe is something more to live, but we just can't see it.

These are the things that science actually is finding out with quantum-mechanics.

I really like everyone to see this video:

mind over matter

[shought]

The video is partially great and partially sucky.

They're making pretty nice statements, which I believe to be correct, but then all of the sudden they loose all the logic they formerly used and start applying, for instance, chaos theory to our society. Also they, or at least a few of them, have the idea that we are the center of the universe which I believe we're not, actually. The universe doesn't have a center, it doesn't have something it revolves around, the universe IS and that's all it is. It's quite ignorant to think: if we wouldn't be here, there wouldn't be an earth, there wouldn't be a galaxy, even worse: the whole universe wouldn't exist. For matter only exists if our minds allow it. In theory this is true, because our mind is made up out of logics, our language is created with this same 'logic' in mind and therefore matter the way we define it only exists as long as there is/has been a mind. The thing is that we humans are always trying to define things while actually reality cannot be defined.

For instance if we would try to define a cow we could make up numerous characteristics that anything would require to be a cow: 4 legs, eating grass, producing milk. But what if we would find a cow that did not produce milk? Would it still be a cow? What if we would find a cow with only three legs, would it still be a cow? We will never be able to exactly define what a cow is, nor will be ever be able to exactly define what truth, matter and anti-matter are.

[demonon]

Also they, or at least a few of them, have the idea that we are the center of the universe which I believe we're not, actually. The universe doesn't have a center, it doesn't have something it revolves around, the universe IS and that's all it is. It's quite ignorant to think: if we wouldn't be here, there wouldn't be an earth, there wouldn't be a galaxy, even worse: the whole universe wouldn't exist.

IMO the universe is where we live in and is not the definition of a place made of anything.

We can make everything we see in the universe and say it is composed out of matter.

Therefor, if we have a belief system and keep believing everything is made of matter, the only thing we will find is matter.

BTW, we need a debate/intellectual discussion forum.

And to your last paragraph concerning the cow, we think a cow is a cow because we generally accept is as a cow.

But there is no cow, just matter.

[shought]

And to your last paragraph concerning the cow, we think a cow is a cow because we generally accept is as a cow.

But there is no cow, just matter.

Let's apply exactly the same reasoning as you used for cow to matter:

We think matter is matter because we generally accept it as matter. But there is no matter, there is just.

Two possible outcomes: our reasoning is flawed or there is no matter in which case we should conclude there only is abstraction. The first seems to be the most reasonable to me. Therefore there is matter, there is a cow, but we just won't be able to define in in terms we're capable of using(therefore we won't be able to define it, where it might be definable, but just not by us, for all we know cows totally got it right and their perception of the universe(they have telepathic abilities undetectable by our instruments to contact with cows all over the universe) is way ahead of ours :P Of course that's bullshit, but for all we know...). Concluding: we will never be able to define what's true or untrue, what is or is not, the only thing we will ever be able to judge is our own perception. Therefore words like 'good', 'bad', 'true', 'untrue' are (for us) relative to the person who uses them.

I've had some everlasting arguments with my philosophy teacher, who is a firm believer actually(he says he's had some kind of revelation, he doesn't really do what the bible says or anything, he just believes and that's all what he does with his faith), about whether good or bad are relative or absolute. I think they're both relative, he thinks they're both absolute. I think everything is relative, but for practical purposes we should consider our perception of reality as absolute.

[demonon]

I don't have philosophy or something like that.

I chose my "profiel" so I mostly have science and math subjects.

I don't want anyone to teach me history or politics because it's all biased, I prefer to find it out myself.

I think good and bad is all defined in our genes. We want to survive, and in order to survive we are egoistic.

But we still take care of our friends and family in order to help them survive because we benefit from their presence.

I think no one should say whether something is good or bad, just do whatever you desire to be happy as long as you don't interfere with another's freedom.

I think allot of thinks stop us from just living like we want to. I'm sure you know something who does: the government.

[Rock Lee]

I agree with Demonon, we do need an intellectual debate section here since we seem to have them all the time. I'm not sure if Lite would approve but from the way you're posting I'm sure you're up for it shought. I'm all for it, you guys have seen my debating skills out in the open. I wanna see the rest of your skills also :yes:

[shought]

I see about your profile ;) N&T I guess. I've got E&M with Physics, if I had picked Math B instead of A I would've got a great combination, now it mostly sucks...

Anyhow there was something I wanted to say a while ago, but it should be OK now:

People should be critical about what is going on, but they never are. When someone else is critical about something, the people will be critical about that. Therefore any critic will be undone by other critics. People find it easy to nag about what is wrong, but they never say what is right. I'm not saying defining what is wrong is bad, eventually you'll reach what is right, but it's a lot easier to use a strong magnet to find a needle in a haystack than to remove every little piece of hay by hand, if you know what I mean... :P

Meh, this forum isn't really the place for intellectual discussions and I'm afraid there won't be many contributors, we're mainly software and news oriented. A little support oriented as well. I'm unsure about this idea, it could be everything, could be nothing.

[demonon]

Anyhow there was something I wanted to say a while ago, but it should be OK now:

People should be critical about what is going on, but they never are. When someone else is critical about something, the people will be critical about that. Therefore any critic will be undone by other critics. People find it easy to nag about what is wrong, but they never say what is right. I'm not saying defining what is wrong is bad, eventually you'll reach what is right, but it's a lot easier to use a strong magnet to find a needle in a haystack than to remove every little piece of hay by hand, if you know what I mean... :P

Society itself is a great tool to remove any evil.

If all the power is with the people, the people will decide what is good or bad. And people can make a difference if they are the one in charge and not some sort of elite group.

I know nsanedown is software and news oriented, but a small new section won't do any harm I think. I have seen allot of forums with a small intellectual section added.

I honestly don't know much on how you fund this site and how everything is maintained but I would be very happy if the staff permits a new section.

[shought]

A new section wouldn't require any additional funding ;)

I think Lite will add it to his lists of things to consider at some point, but now now, currently we're going through a lot of changes and he likes to implement them gradually :)

[demonon]

A new section wouldn't require any additional funding ;)

I think Lite will add it to his lists of things to consider at some point, but now now, currently we're going through a lot of changes and he likes to implement them gradually :)

I will be eager every day to see this new section!

[DKT27]

:clap: . Really liked your debate. I just wanna add it simple way. "There is nothing in the world that says it is right or wrong, it is all in our mind, it is how we take it, after all we have ourselves made the meaning of right and wrong.;)

EDIT# - Even I would like debate section.