We’ve only just begun

[Ambrocious]

According to the CIA’s World Factbook, Americas GDP for 2008 was $14.58 trillion dollars. Fox News reported The United States Government and The Federal Reserve have so far pledged & committed $23.7 trillion dollars, an amount that far exceeds the value of everything we produced in this country in 2008. Simply put, the zero oversight bailouts dwarf our U.S. Gross Domestic Product. California Representative Darryl Issa, ranking member of the oversight committee wrote “If you spent a million dollars a DAY going back to the birth of Jesus Christ, that wouldn’t come close to just $1 trillion….$23.7 trillion is a staggering figure”.

Banks, Insurance companies, Automakers, and The U.S. Post Office have benefited from your future tax extortion. Meanwhile, the Washington Post reports, “The war is costing $720 million a day or $500,000 a minute”. Combine these debacles with the 7 million lost jobs since the “recession” began, rapidly increasing inflation, stolen pension funds, more taxes, and increased homeless families from foreclosures and this roller coaster ride is just beginning. Watch for begging in the streets.

If time stopped this minute, every man, woman and child in the U.S. including unborn future generations could barely pay this debt. But time doesn’t stop and the need for tax revenue will increase beyond imagination. $24 Trillion dollars will have to be paid. You and your future generations are going to pay this debt from every conceivable corner of life. Sales taxes, Income taxes, property taxes, all taxes and every “nickel and dime” permit fee and license you can imagine will increase drastically. New taxes will be created out of thin air. HR 2454 The Cap and Trade Bill is further evidence of revenue invention. Combine this with Barry Soetoro’s advancing Healthcare Reform and you have a 3rd world country in the midst. In the near future basic needs of humanity such as food, shelter and clothing will strain our budget. It may take multiple generations under one roof to simply exist.

Economic recovery will be prolonged because our government “sold out” American jobs via NAFTA a decade ago. Our trade imbalance is disgusting. No jobs equal no production of goods and services, which equals no money and shrinking national GDP. Lack of sales will further bankrupt brick and mortar companies resulting in more job losses. The vicious cycle is just beginning. Simultaneously, interest on our debt is mounting. Individuals lucky enough to keep employment may find themselves bringing home a significant reduction in pay. Exemptions and “write offs” will disappear. Imagine what minimum wage employees will net. Heavily armed IRS agents are on standby while mobster public officials dole out your future earnings like Halloween candy. The American people are nothing more than cattle; to be corralled, milked and slaughtered.

The Democratic and Republican mob bosses have bartered your future. Both campaign on blatant lies and summarily dismiss you the moment elected. These puppets are controlled by global elitist money masters. The Economic terrorism and enslavement is just beginning. Today, it seems the power elite are purposely bankrupting the dollar in favor of global currency. The crisis is undeniable and the propaganda media is scrambling to divert your attention away from reality. If global currency is introduced the Federal Reserve will officially report to the IMF. The American economy will be under international regulation and U.S. sovereignty will end. A Central Bank will enable total monopoly corruption. Nations will be at the mercy of one financial power group. As long as Americans obey their television, elitists will pillage. We are at the mercy of financial terrorists who list Goldman Sachs on their resume.

Nothing will relieve us from this burden of debt. Depression style unemployment, low salaries, heavy taxation, hyperinflation, demise of our currency and our sovereignty will render us slaves to a world order ruled by corrupt oligarchs. The attack on the middle class is nearly finished. Most of the population is struggling. The “haves” and the “have nots” is glaring. Sections of the United States will resemble third world poverty. Public infrastructure will continue to crumble. Tent cities continue to grow. Food pantry’s have empty shelves. FEMA camps are billed as “homeless camps”. Aggravated crime is up and the prisons are full. The United States is in replay mode of Germany’s Weimar Republic. World class Economists are pessimistic and U.S. Consumer Confidence is at a record low according to The Associated Press. If we don’t stop these crooks, who will? When will Americans act? Lack of involvement is what got us here. Gear up America…we’ve only just begun.

SOURCE: InfoWars.com

[shought]

What I hate about news is that it's supposed to make people think and currently it's not. Currently news makes people whine and whining people make other people whine... The more people whine the less people think, the less people think the more people whine, talking about a vicious circle.

Rather than complaining about what is wrong people should focus on what could be better(in fact it's the same thing, but your approach is just different). Instead of saying "oh my god, they fucked up, them idiots" you should remember that is was YOU, yeah, YOU, that elected these idiots so as a matter of fact YOU are the one that caused the trouble so it is YOUR job to fix it. So instead of whining about what is all wrong start thinking about how it could be better and actually make yourself useful, for god's sake.

You know what, the thing is, it's even worse than what I just said. Currently we rely on the news to find out what we should bitch about today. If there were no news, we would most likely not even be bitching. So let's define three stages: doing nothing, bitching and actually thinking. They're from worse to better, right now we're actually at the worst stage, but thank god ( :frusty: ) we have the news to tell us what to bitch about today.

[DKT27]

Well it is good I cannot vote(still 15). I really really say you should join a party and make life better for people shought. I'm serious.

[shought]

Well it is good I cannot vote(still 15). I really really say you should join a party and make life better for people shought. I'm serious.

Until people start realizing it is not me who should make life better for them but they who should make life better for everyone I'll refuse to help the political system out in any way.

I'm a man(boy) with principles and I will not get screwed over by the current (shitty) political system...

There would be two ways to do this: do what you suggest and get laughed at and humiliated, although if you would decide to 'loosen' your principles half way through you'll probably be able to reach the top but you won't be able to make the changes you actually wanted to make because you became what you wanted to change(a freaking politician). Or my way and be despised by a lot of people for not taking action whilst by NOT taking action you are actually taking action, against the system.

And in case someone hadn't noticed yet: yeah, I do despise humanity, we suck.

Anyway what I just mentioned above is what I should do but it will be far from reality, obviously. I'm a human myself and will make the same mistake as all those did before me, I'll probably join a party some time thinking 'the world could be a better place if I did'(how foolish...). It's just sad, it's all sad :(

[Toshiro]

Well it is good I cannot vote(still 15). I really really say you should join a party and make life better for people shought. I'm serious.

Haha, You can't make anything better with Talk.. Yea Shought talks like dunno.. but you have to proof that YOU can make a difference, and that's not as easy as it might sound..

Uhm, Shought I smell some Emonish talk. :P But you're kinda right.. People are stubborn.. (well most) You rely on these people, if they don't change their attitude..Nobody can make a "huge" difference...

I dunno what politicians have these times, but I think they lost their sense for logic thinking.. And more wanting to be at the top to earn some money.. :x

[shought]

Well it is good I cannot vote(still 15). I really really say you should join a party and make life better for people shought. I'm serious.

Haha, You can't make anything better with Talk.. Yea Shought talks like dunno.. but you have to proof that YOU can make a difference, and that's not as easy as it might sound..

Nobody can make a difference, only everybody can make a difference... (Do read my above post ;))

[DKT27]

You are really making difference here, shought.

[shought]

You are really making difference here, shought.

I'm talking about when the political system is concerned, when it is nobody can make a difference, only everybody can :)

[Toshiro]

Well it is good I cannot vote(still 15). I really really say you should join a party and make life better for people shought. I'm serious.

Haha, You can't make anything better with Talk.. Yea Shought talks like dunno.. but you have to proof that YOU can make a difference, and that's not as easy as it might sound..

Nobody can make a difference, only everybody can make a difference... (Do read my above post ;))

That's why I eddited my post.. :P You replied 1 min before me.. :)

[DKT27]

I don't know about shought but I hope they don't ban me on reading this, will you support me guys? :fear: :eekout:

[Bizarre™]

Unless people are not afraid to change, expect no difference :bag:

[shought]

Well it is good I cannot vote(still 15). I really really say you should join a party and make life better for people shought. I'm serious.

Haha, You can't make anything better with Talk.. Yea Shought talks like dunno.. but you have to proof that YOU can make a difference, and that's not as easy as it might sound..

Nobody can make a difference, only everybody can make a difference... (Do read my above post ;))

That's why I eddited my post.. :P You replied 1 min before me.. :)

I see, here we go:

Well it is good I cannot vote(still 15). I really really say you should join a party and make life better for people shought. I'm serious.

Haha, You can't make anything better with Talk.. Yea Shought talks like dunno.. but you have to proof that YOU can make a difference, and that's not as easy as it might sound..

Uhm, Shought I smell some Emonish talk. :P But you're kinda right.. People are stubborn.. (well most) You rely on these people, if they don't change their attitude..Nobody can make a "huge" difference...

I dunno what politicians have these times, but I think they lost their sense for logic thinking.. And more wanting to be at the top to earn some money.. :x

That's an insult <_< These guys feel sorry for themselves, I don't, I feel sorry for everyone else...

Nah, they really think they're doing the right thing, that's what makes this so hard :frusty:

[Toshiro]

^ Guess you're right with these words.. you really do have a grunge on them and some other.. -_-

But ya never now.. Maybe there'll be a Miracle from the People above.. (not that I believe that but yea :lmao: )

[shought]

But ya never now.. Maybe there'll be a Miracle from the People above.. (not that I believe that but yea :lmao: )

Funny you should bring that up, I never really believed in God, but I also never really knew what to believe. At the moment I'm just unsure and that's probably all one can be, I'm not denying the possibility that there might be something 'up there'(rather: around us, but not within our current perception) but I'm also not confirming it in any way.

But let's not get off-topic :rolleyes: (Like I didn't also go off-topic with my previous posts :P)

[Ambrocious]

I personally believe in God, have seen too much and know to much. Plus, if there is a God...I bet he's pissed off bout what his creation is doing to each other. I'd say he's about to lay the smack down. I'll spare you from hearing a bunch of preaching.

[shought]

I personally believe in God, have seen too much and know to much. Plus, if there is a God...I bet he's pissed off bout what his creation is doing to each other. I'd say he's about to lay the smack down. I'll spare you from hearing a bunch of preaching.

My reasoning about God: God is supposed to be good and almighty. Conclusion: there is no God, for if God would be good and almighty he would've never created such a thing as humans. Other conclusion would be: God is not good or not almighty, well, of what use is he then? :rolleyes: Also: if humans have a mind of their own(can make their own decision) then God is not almighty(for he has no influence over their decisions). A God that is almighty may only exist in a world that is determined from beginning to start, this God would be the only thing in this world that is not determined.

I already mentioned that I do believe in 'something', wait, I didn't, I just said that I was unsure, but actually I do 'believe' in 'something', this something is just not 'good and almighty'. Good, maybe... Almighty, nope. Invisible, probably. Undetectable, for now.

[Ambrocious]

I personally believe in God, have seen too much and know to much. Plus, if there is a God...I bet he's pissed off bout what his creation is doing to each other. I'd say he's about to lay the smack down. I'll spare you from hearing a bunch of preaching.

My reasoning about God: God is supposed to be good and almighty. Conclusion: there is no God, for if God would be good and almighty he would've never created such a thing as humans. Other conclusion would be: God is not good or not almighty, well, of what use is he then? :rolleyes: Also: if humans have a mind of their own(can make their own decision) then God is not almighty(for he has no influence over their decisions). A God that is almighty may only exist in a world that is determined from beginning to start, this God would be the only thing in this world that is not determined.

I already mentioned that I do believe in 'something', wait, I didn't, I just said that I was unsure, but actually I do 'believe' in 'something', this something is just not 'good and almighty'. Good, maybe... Almighty, nope. Invisible, probably. Undetectable, for now.

So your waiting for them darn aliens...I knew they were bad news!

[shought]

So your waiting for them darn aliens...I knew they were bad news!

Yep, some of them have arrived early thought, a little bird told me jalaffa is one of them :blink:

[Bizarre™]

Personally, I think that belief in GOD is the ultimate gamble :bag:

[Rock Lee]

Let me clarify something to you Ambrocious and everyone who has & who reads this thread. Quite frankly, I'm sick of you posting these things: 1 - out in public. Lite & I have had very lengthy conversations on this. 2 - You posting them but ignoring the fact that I've shot down your every point without much effort. You continue to do so & I really don't have a clue why. Maybe this is your way of helping people "see the light". This infowars bull is all that ever comes from you. Yes, this does come down to choice but with they way you shove this down people's throats isn't right. As Lite said, there are a lot of young minds here. Minds that don't need to grow up thinking that every single establishment known to man is ethically and morally wrong. You continue to put the seed of doubt in people's minds eventually they won't know what to trust. Then they end up not having a mind for themselves, something that I'm here to prevent.

@ Shought

You and I are both the same age so it wasn't I that put them in that position. I'm not sure how old Amrbo is but I certainly hope that a grown man isn't believing this. Anyway, I've asked Ambrocious directly in that thread why they don't take action but sit around and "warn" people of "impending doom". He didn't answer it. Instead he switched the subject to another infowars article. He hasn't answered much of any of my questions.

I've said this to him also: Complaining is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do but it gets you no where.

What I wanna know is, if these guys have so much "inside info" on what's really going on then why isn't anyone there to stop it? Is it that every single person in every branch of government in every corner of our country corrupt? Come on now, if you think that way then you're so deep in the closet you're finding xmas presents.

Again, all of these questions I've asked him. Don't expect an answer.

@ the rest

I see I'm not the only one replying to these types of threads anymore. Maybe you guys are getting tired of it too...

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@ Biz

I think you've started a brand new subject...

[Toshiro]

Guys, a little reminder... This is not the topic to debate about believes/religions.. :P

Although.. "God" is, like some people say, the energy around us.. hope and stuff like that..

(geez I just sounded a bit gejjj :lol: )

But yea, everyone can believe what he wants.. Nobody cares about another these times.. (most of them... :P )

[Bizarre™]

@Rock Lee:

No, I don't think so :bag:

I'm just giving my response to shought's comment.

[shought]

Just a quick note, I'll close this topic on my first notice of any bad language and/or a heated discussion. ;)

[Rock Lee]

@ Banana Nut Bread

I know. Was just saying is all...

@ Biz

Biz, you still didn't send me the special edition bag I ordered. Has it left your country or is it still in processing? :hehe:

Yeah I read his comment. Anyone can believe whatever they want as long as both sides of the story are told.

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@ shought

Don't worry about it. I'm not expecting a response from Amrbo and if I get one it probably won't need a response from me. My heated debate days with this guy is pretty much over. He's read what I have to say & can't do anything about it. It's not that I have anything against the guy. In fact I respect his persistence. It's just that what he posts isn't necessary for this type of forum imo.

[Bizarre™]

I told you it came from here :bag:

You should order it from Lite or nsane :lol: