Windows comes up third in OS clash two years early

[steven36]

Last year, Gartner said Windows would remain No. 2 until 2017; latest data says it ended up behind Apple's OS X and iOS in 2015

 

 

 

Microsoft's Windows, which in 2015 fell to third place among the world's operating systems, will continue to lose share this year to both Android and Apple's combined OS X and iOS, Gartner said today.

Not until 2017 will Windows begin to recoup some of the losses it's sustained since 2013, Gartner said in its latest device forecast.

 

The continued decline of Windows makes Microsoft's job of pivoting to explorations of cross-platform opportunities all the more pressing. And it goes a long way to explain Redmond's drumbeat of new strategies, including this week's announcement that it will pursue a "conversations as a platform" initiative that aims to put automated assistants, or "bots," front and center on not just Windows, but also Android and iOS.

 

According to Gartner, which provided Computerworld with its forecast broken out by operating systems, Windows will power about 283 million devices shipped in 2015, a 3.4% year-over-year decline. The 283 million represents 11.7% of the total of 2.4 billion devices shipped, over 80% of that number smartphones, and the majority of those smartphones running Google's Android. Six months ago, Gartner's forecast had pegged Windows in 2016 at 308 million devices, or 12.9% of the total.

 

 

Gartner regularly downsized its estimates of both total devices shipped and Windows' portion of those shipments throughout 2015. The trend continued into 2016.

 

In fact, last September, Gartner predicted that Windows would not slip behind Apple's combined OS X and iOS until 2017. But according to the research firm's latest data, Windows dropped to No. 3 in 2015, thanks to Apple shipping 297 million OS X/iOS devices -- 4 million more than Windows -- and grabbing the second spot behind way-way-out-there Android and its leading 1.3 billion devices.

 

In Gartner's current forecast, Windows will dip 3.4% in 2016 to 283 million devices shipped while Apple's OS X/iOS will climb 2.1% to 303 million. By the end of the forecast window -- the calendar year 2018 -- Windows will be even farther behind, shipping 298 million devices compared to Apple's 334 million.

 

If Gartner's prognostications are on target, Apple will ship more OS X/iOS devices in 2018 than OEMs (original equipment manufacturers) did of Windows systems in 2013.

 

Overall, Gartner's latest forecast continued the trend of pessimism not only for Windows, but for all device shipments. The researcher now believes 2.41 billion computing devices will ship in 2016 -- 80.4% of them smartphones -- compared to a same-year prediction of 2.46 billion made in the fall of 2015.

 

Not surprisingly, the majority of the forecast reduction was pegged to smartphones, whose growth will slip into single digits for the first time.

 

"The double-digit growth era for the global smartphone market has come to an end," said Ranjit Atwal, a Gartner analyst, in a statement. "Historically, worsening economic conditions had negligible impact on smartphone sales and spend, but this is no longer the case. China and North America smartphone sales are on pace to be flat in 2016, exhibiting a 0.7% and 0.4% growth respectively."

 

Traditional PCs, more mobile designs, and tablets will also take beatings of various kinds this year, Gartner asserted.

 

The most bruised? Traditional personal computers. Shipments of those machines will slump to just 228 million, a 6.6% decline. Although what Gartner called "ultra-mobiles" -- such as Apple's MacBook and MacBook Air notebooks, and Microsoft's Surface Pro 2-in-1 -- will climb 26.7% to 57 million this year, even that hot design category won't make up the difference. Together, the two categories are expected to result in 285 million shipments, 1.4% fewer than in 2015.

 

Gartner, like Microsoft and Windows OEMs, bet on Windows 10 to drag the ever-broader "PC" category out of the doldrums next year. Analysts assumed that in 2017, shipments will increase by 3.9% to 296 million.

"In 2016, the PC market will reach its last year of decline before returning to growth in 2017," Atwal said. "The biggest challenge, and potential benefit for the PC market, is the integration of Windows 10 with Intel's Skylake architecture. It has the potential for new form factors with more attractive features."

 

If that sounds vaguely familiar, it should. Nine months ago, Gartner forecast that 2016's PC + ultra-mobile shipments would rise 3.7%. Then, Atwal hedged his bet on Windows 10, saying, "Windows 10 could boost replacements during 2016 [emphasis added]," but anticipated that growth would return to the PC business in the year.

 

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[luisam]

While I'm not concered the least about the position of Windows in the OS-world, sounds kind of an unfair competion an Android running on a 30 USD tablet or some cheap smatrtphone and Windows on a 1500 USD i7 computer. Clearly, Windows 10 hadn't made yet a significative breakthrough in this area (Will do ever?)

On the other hand, Apple iOS is a really great OS for iPhones and iPads, just the easiest tool for the most computer illiterate people to manage transparently and almost intuitively some really hardcore computer devices; have as example my daughter operating her iPhone and my wife, once upon a time a  cold-blooded computer-hater, managing for everyday use her iPad..

[steven36]

1 hour ago, luisam said:

While I'm not concered the least about the position of Windows in the OS-world, sounds kind of an unfair competion an Android running on a 30 USD tablet or some cheap smatrtphone and Windows on a 1500 USD i7 computer. Clearly, Windows 10 hadn't made yet a significative breakthrough in this area (Will do ever?)

On the other hand, Apple iOS is a really great OS for iPhones and iPads, just the easiest tool for the most computer illiterate people to manage transparently and almost intuitively some really hardcore computer devices; have as example my daughter operating her iPhone and my wife, once upon a time a  cold-blooded computer-hater, managing for everyday use her iPad..

Windows being a monopoly for the last 30 years was not far ether but it was,  its just like all tech  always people are looking  for something new. And sooner are something cheaper will start to replace  it . These are  small computers  replacing the bigger ones . Does this mean PCs want have a following  in the future no it doesn't . But it does look like it will never be really profitable  again .  PC users will become last on there list for big money because people use them tell they wareout .  There not worried about something you bought  years ago they want to earn lots of money now . But  many of us will use our  old pcs  and wait to tell they ware out and buy new ones.

[luisam]

14 minutes ago, steven36 said:

There not worried about something you bought  years ago they want to earn lots of money now .

 

Absolutely! When a new version of Android appears or when Apple releases a new version of iOS the real business is not the operating system but the DEVICE sold: some new smartphone, new iPhone, iPad or any new i-gadget. So the real interst is to sell more new devices.

This is the issue Microoft would like to change, getting in tablet, smartphone and computer hardware business using Windows 10. That's why they want more people using Windows 10

[steven36]

1 hour ago, luisam said:

 

Absolutely! When a new version of Android appears or when Apple releases a new version of iOS the real business is not the operating system but the DEVICE sold: some new smartphone, new iPhone, iPad or any new i-gadget. So the real interst is to sell more new devices.

This is the issue Microoft would like to change, getting in tablet, smartphone and computer hardware business using Windows 10. That's why they want more people using Windows 10

But its backfireing on them there smartphone business  will be put on hold tell  at lest 2017  when redstone 2 comes out , 85.5 %  of  PC users dont use Windows 10 at all .  It's like a Actor who became real famous on a TV  show as a kid  its really hard for them to get a role  in another show and do good.  And in the O/S  world there windows known to be only for PCs.  Once you're known for something  its really hard to break peoples opinion of you . 

 

Bill Gates  was into making Money now he became the richest man on earth .  Steve Jobs. was the total package . a Great Innovator. Businessman and true Visioneer.  he seen it was best not to put all you're eggs in one basket he cared more about were he worked for  then he did about himself and seen smart phones was going be the wave of the future . And he made his company the richest company in the world . Bill Gates hurt Microsoft more than helped it he was all about self .  Microsoft  keeps trying invent a better wheel  that was someone else's idea.  but everybody wants the old wheel they didn't make .

[Sylence]

5 hours ago, luisam said:

 

Absolutely! When a new version of Android appears or when Apple releases a new version of iOS the real business is not the operating system but the DEVICE sold: some new smartphone, new iPhone, iPad or any new i-gadget. So the real interst is to sell more new devices.

This is the issue Microoft would like to change, getting in tablet, smartphone and computer hardware business using Windows 10. That's why they want more people using Windows 10

 

And that's why those companies don't like this move of Microsoft. because it's good for people.

Google don't want people to use latest OS on their old devices because they want to suck more money from people (only their own Nexus devices whose prices are ridiculously high). the same applies to IOS but Apple tries its best not to look that thirsty but still. 

you buy a flagship like Sony Z5 you still gotta wait for Android 6 to be released for your phone. 

[straycat19]

11 hours ago, luisam said:

While I'm not concered the least about the position of Windows in the OS-world, sounds kind of an unfair competion an Android running on a 30 USD tablet or some cheap smatrtphone and Windows on a 1500 USD i7 computer. Clearly, Windows 10 hadn't made yet a significative breakthrough in this area (Will do ever?)

On the other hand, Apple iOS is a really great OS for iPhones and iPads, just the easiest tool for the most computer illiterate people to manage transparently and almost intuitively some really hardcore computer devices; have as example my daughter operating her iPhone and my wife, once upon a time a  cold-blooded computer-hater, managing for everyday use her iPad..

 

I don't know where you got your figures from but any Walmart will sell you a windows computer for $224 (Acer) that operates as a tablet or notebook and I paid almost that much for my android tablets and almost 3 times that much for some of my Asus Transformers when they first came out.  My Smartphone, when new, was over $600, and it wasn't anything fancy, just a Samsung Galaxy S3.  As far as Apple products go they are way overpriced for their computing capability.  LIke the makers of Oculus Rift said, when Apple starts making modern computers then maybe they would make the OR for it. You buy the most expensive, latest computer that Apple makes and it is one to two generations behind in the processor alone, which is why there are so many hackintoshes.  I even have a Dell Mini 9 that has been running Snow Leopard for years and I covered up the Dell logo with a White Apple and everyone has always wanted to know where I got such a small Apple laptop at.  Though most people wouldn't know what a MIni 9 was today.

[steven36]

1 hour ago, straycat19 said:

 

I don't know where you got your figures from but any Walmart

I dont see were he said anything about Mac OSX   hes taking about cheap smart phones and Microsoft clams  that 1.5 billion machines run a flavor of Windows  just last this week and there's 3.17 billion on the internet .Most windows users are using old pcs  they not sold good since 2013
 

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For those in many developing countries, a smartphone is their first computer and their only Internet-connected device. According to a February 2014 survey from Pew Research reports, Africans use their cellphones for mobile payments, for getting political, health, and consumer information and, of course, social networking. With pricing reaching an affordable $30 to $50 for some smartphones, people who have never before been able to afford a computing device now own one, and it fits in their pocket.

 

 

Most people are not going go out buy  a high end smart phone  but developers  and  stuff will buy  a  Mac OSX  so they can work on IOS  and  regardless of how good they are there out selling windows right now  because there needed .and thats why Microsoft  is putting bash  and other developer tools in Windows 10 to try to sway them back on Windows.  A lot Phone  carriers in the USA will give you a Iphone  and service  too after you pay you're bill so long you will own it. Most people dont flat out buy a iphone  for many people they going to pay a phone bill regardless  and they may not even have dsl so  why would they buy a low end pc?  Life just dont evolve around Winders  for like half the internet any more .

[cLcL]

it's just new devices shipped. what about DIY PC? that's still a thing right?

 

and windows (microsoft) nor apple (ios) had become number 1 spot in mobile (phone) devices (yet?). so it's not that surprising. 

if you combine all OSes (in mobile, PC, and so on), it's not surprising that a family has more mobile devices than PC, even my nephew has 2 ipads and 1 android phone, but he doesnt have pc.

[pc71520]

Windows still dominant when it comes to Enterprise/Corp. level.

 

[oliverjia]

6 minutes ago, pc71520 said:

Windows still dominant when it comes to Enterprise/Corp. level.

 

 

Absolutely. Mobile devices are toys, PCs are tools. 

[calguyhunk]

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 3:45 AM, luisam said:

While I'm not concered the least about the position of Windows in the OS-world, sounds kind of an unfair competion an Android running on a 30 USD tablet or some cheap smatrtphone and Windows on a 1500 USD i7 computer. Clearly, Windows 10 hadn't made yet a significative breakthrough in this area (Will do ever?)

 

Yessir!

 

8 hours ago, oliverjia said:

Absolutely. Mobile devices are toys, PCs are tools. 

 

Exactly. Smartphones are what you use when you don't have an actual computer with you. some might say even a Mac is more porductive than a smartphone, Android, iOS or otherwise.

[davmil]

On 4/1/2016 at 7:56 PM, steven36 said:

Windows being a monopoly for the last 30 years was not far ether but it was,  its just like all tech  always people are looking  for something new. And sooner are something cheaper will start to replace  it . These are  small computers  replacing the bigger ones . Does this mean PCs want have a following  in the future no it doesn't . But it does look like it will never be really profitable  again .  PC users will become last on there list for big money because people use them tell they wareout .  There not worried about something you bought  years ago they want to earn lots of money now . But  many of us will use our  old pcs  and wait to tell they ware out and buy new ones.

Since when is a Apple cellphone a computer?  Anyone ever see real work happen on one, or just people taking pictures and surfing the myriad of chat platforms and otherwise playing around and wasting time?  Just because a device has chips in it doesn't make it a computer IMHO.

 

[pc71520]

19 hours ago, oliverjia said:

Absolutely. Mobile devices are toys, PCs are tools. 

Exactly my thoughts!

 

When it comes to working places,

like Financial sector, Health Industry etc.

Windows is, by far, used.

[steven36]

7 hours ago, davmil said:

Since when is a Apple cellphone a computer?  Anyone ever see real work happen on one, or just people taking pictures and surfing the myriad of chat platforms and otherwise playing around and wasting time?  Just because a device has chips in it doesn't make it a computer IMHO.

 

Timeline of Computer History

http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/computers/

 

Apple Iphone  witch is listed above is a computer a computer built into a cellphone  Its not a pc  but its a computer  , You have pc's witch is just a type of computer the 1st pcs  came out in 1962. confused  with computers in general .  Apple Watch is a computer  too a computer built into a watch

[davmil]

16 hours ago, steven36 said:

Timeline of Computer History

http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/computers/

 

Apple Iphone  witch is listed above is a computer a computer built into a cellphone  Its not a pc  but its a computer  , You have pc's witch is just a type of computer the 1st pcs  came out in 1962. confused  with computers in general .  Apple Watch is a computer  too a computer built into a watch

So is an abacus.  Just not an electronic one.

[pc71520]

These, too...

[davmil]

and knotted ropes and protractors and compasses - all legit.  My point is compare apples to apples.  You can pretend Windows isn't running on 95% of business equipment and home desktop computers but to skew the averages by including cellphones as computers is misleading.  My dog's not an android just because he has a chip and can follow instructions and execute programs.

[pc71520]

1 minute ago, davmil said:

You can pretend Windows isn't running on 95% of

business equipment

and

home desktop computers

 

but to skew the averages

by including cellphones as computers

is misleading. 

This has been a deliberate approach.

The aim was to diminish  the overall Windows use.

 

<Business as Usual>
 

[steven36]

39 minutes ago, davmil said:

and knotted ropes and protractors and compasses - all legit.  My point is compare apples to apples.  You can pretend Windows isn't running on 95% of business equipment and home desktop computers but to skew the averages by including cellphones as computers is misleading.  My dog's not an android just because he has a chip and can follow instructions and execute programs.

You could compare Apples to smart phones  in business

6 Ways Smartphones Have Changed Business Forever

http://yfsmagazine.com/2014/02/13/6-ways-smartphones-have-changed-business-forever/

 

And you could compare Apples  too PC in business  as well

Macs are overtaking PCs in the office, according to new report

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/businesses-are-replacing-pcs-with-macs-at-unprecedented-rates--1310885

 

Regardless  Winders is not out selling MAC OSX  or IOS  ATM  .

 

 

[davmil]

5 hours ago, steven36 said:

YouYou could compare Apples to smart phones  in business

6 Ways Smartphones Have Changed Business Forever

http://yfsmagazine.com/2014/02/13/6-ways-smartphones-have-changed-business-forever/

 

And you could compare Apples  too PC in business  as well

Macs are overtaking PCs in the office, according to new report

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/businesses-are-replacing-pcs-with-macs-at-unprecedented-rates--1310885

 

Regardless  Winders is not out selling MAC OSX  or IOS  ATM  .

 

 

Obviously I only know you thru the board but I can tell you're too smart to believe this Steven. 

[steven36]

5 hours ago, davmil said:

Obviously I only know you thru the board but I can tell you're too smart to believe this Steven. 

It dont matter what i believe one mans  opinion  dont really matter , While me or you may not be very concerned . Microsoft is very concerned about mobile and mac . This is why there putting a slew of developer tools to get developers back on winders instead of mac  and. They had very little success with windows phones so there doing stuff like this now with Android .

http://www.morningnewsusa.com/windows-10-update-brings-android-phone-notifications-pc-2369039.html

 

Microsoft are the ones that is having to change it's architecture from a legacy o/s to Hybrid /cloud O/S  W10 continuum for smart phones and Universal Windows Platform .   While OSX ,IOS  and Android   has been quite successful selling units  while Microsoft has not really been successful selling its windows since 2013 and windows 7.

 

What business and home users buy every 10 years is not going make a lot of profit  even if they only use windows . The gravy train  is to make devices to  run you're  software on that will sell and make a profit  now not once every 10 years   . You can sell a phone O/S to just about anyone , They lease to own them with internet and phone service. No one goes out and  rents to own pcs in years only mostly  business  ,home users  buy them when forced to or they stop working and need replaced . No business much wanted to leave XP  much ,  they were forced off it , Business is not about spending money that want make them more money , unless it can offer them something to make them them more money faster. So  PCs will be on the waiting list  because old XP , now windows 7 could  do the exact same thing for them .  If you can't  sell many units that you're software is made for it becomes unprofitable.