lts Out of the Windows 10 Frying Pan, Into the Mac OS X Fire

[steven36]

Opinions on operating systems are very subjective. Some people love Windows 10. Some people hate it. Many users who resisted upgrading to Windows 7 in the first place now swear by the OS and stubbornly refuse to upgrade. If the reason you don’t want to join the Windows 10 party, however, is because you’re mad at Microsoft for dropping support of your hardware, or  your favorite features and technologies, Mac OS X may not be the way to go.

 

 

 

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Windows 10 is humming along at a decent clip, but still has a long way to go before it steals the title of de facto desktop operating system. Many Windows users object to Windows 10 for various reasons, and a fair percentage have threatened to just abandon Windows entirely and switch to Mac OS X. I know the grass is greener—blah, blah, blah—but if your reason for avoiding Windows 10 is that you don’t approve of Microsoft’s strong arm tactics you might want to think twice.

 

At just under 10 percent of the desktop market, Windows 10 still lags slightly behind both Windows XP and Windows 8.1, and needs to grow by more than 500 percent to surpass Windows 7. However, Windows 10 still has about 50 percent more market share than all versions of Mac OS X combined. Clearly this is not a huge threat to Microsoft.

 

Don’t get me wrong. I love Mac OS X. I used a MacBook Air as my primary PC for a couple years before the Surface Pro 2 came out. I’ve gone from Surface Pro 2, to Surface Pro 3, to Surface Pro 4 as my primary PC for personal use. I had a choice between a Dell laptop and a MacBook Pro for work, though, and I chose the MacBook Pro. Nothing against Dell or Windows. I just already have a Windows 10 PC and want to have access to both operating systems.

 

But, I digress.

I do love Mac OS X, and I’m a fan of Apple. I also understand, though, that Apple is Apple. Apple dumbs things down in the interest of simplicity and an intuitive user interface. Apple locks users into its ecosystem for their own safety and protection. And, when Apple decides to make a wholesale change in technology, it just does it. Customers be damned.

 

In 2009 when Apple launched Mac OS X 10.6—a.k.a. “Snow Leopard”—it drew a hardcore line in the sand that made most existing Mac hardware obsolete. Apple was transitioning from the PowerPC to Intel x86 architecture, and it had no interest in playing nice or holding anyone’s hand. It was a very simple choice: Customers could continue using Mac OS X 10.5 on their PowerPC machines or they could go buy new hardware if they wanted to use the latest version of the OS.

 

That wasn’t the first time Apple pulled the rug out from under customers. When Apple introduced the iMac in 1998 it killed off the beloved 3.5-inch floppy drive. I am sure there was a backlash in both cases, but I am not sure how strong. I don’t recall anyone threatening to abandon Apple and just switch to Windows, but I suppose that probably happened some.

My point here is not to talk about how horrible Apple is. The choices Apple made were valid business decisions for the most part. Trying to maintain backwards compatibility or support legacy hardware just to keep users happy is complex and expensive. It’s better to just rip off the Band-Aid and let users get accustomed to the changes.

 

Fast forward to 2016 and Microsoft’s decision to no longer support legacy versions of Windows on the latest hardware. Or, back up a year to Microsoft’s decision to remove Windows Media Center from Windows 10. Both of these things have left disgruntled Windows customers in their wakes, and threats to jump ship and just get a Mac.

 

If you don’t like Windows 10, that’s fine. Don’t use it. If you are tired of Microsoft’s tactics and marketing strategies, that’s fine. Switch to some other platform. But, if your reason for wanting to switch is because you don’t like having technology taken away or being forced to upgrade to take advantage of the latest operating system, Apple may not be the way to go.

 

Have you considered Linux?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2016/01/26/windows-10-objectors-should-think-twice-about-jumping-to-mac/

 

 

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[straycat19]

Another shameless advertisement for Linux, but linux may not be the way to go for the average user since it is not user friendly and everything that people learned about windows does not apply to linux.  Mac OSX is much closer as an operating system to Windows and though the systems are more expensive, it is relatively easy to build a hackintosh computer that is fully compatible with Mac OSX,  particularly for the 40 and under generation.  Those of us with gaming PCs are happy to stick to Windows 7/8.1 for those platforms and all other computers could run any operating system.  Linux does have the advantage of having a lot of free software so the total cost of ownership is less.  I would like to see the system manufacturers offer other OSes at the retail level and those systems should be cheaper than a Windows system since Linux is free.  Let the masses speak with their wallets because people will buy cheaper systems such as the Chromebooks.  Just today I went into a Walmart and was looking at their offerings, out of 12 laptops on display, five were chromebooks of various manufacture and the prices were in the range of $149 to $229.  According to the department manager, they sell 15 chromebooks for every pc laptop and can't keep them in stock.  It's all about social media not business applications and games.

[steven36]

15 minutes ago, straycat19 said:

Another shameless advertisement for Linux, but linux may not be the way to go for the average user since it is not user friendly and everything that people learned about windows does not apply to linux.  Mac OSX is much closer as an operating system to Windows and though the systems are more expensive, it is relatively easy to build a hackintosh computer that is fully compatible with Mac OSX,  particularly for the 40 and under generation.  Those of us with gaming PCs are happy to stick to Windows 7/8.1 for those platforms and all other computers could run any operating system.  Linux does have the advantage of having a lot of free software so the total cost of ownership is less.  I would like to see the system manufacturers offer other OSes at the retail level and those systems should be cheaper than a Windows system since Linux is free.  Let the masses speak with their wallets because people will buy cheaper systems such as the Chromebooks.  Just today I went into a Walmart and was looking at their offerings, out of 12 laptops on display, five were chromebooks of various manufacture and the prices were in the range of $149 to $229.  According to the department manager, they sell 15 chromebooks for every pc laptop and can't keep them in stock.  It's all about social media not business applications and games.

Another shameless  advertisement  for chormebooks?   I'm using Linux right now on my old pc I  bought years  ago when win 8 1st came out   the latest version of Linux works fine on it for free and Windows 10 dont even support the drivers for my hardware.. No need to pay $229. for it

 

Im one those people who switched to using Linux because I bought a pc  with windows 8 on it new and by the time windows 10 came out they didn't  support  drivers for it . Im tired  of  buying new pcs  time  to do the free  thing for awhile

[CODYQX4]

I've been happy using OS X, and there's always Parallels for Windows apps like Visual Studio that are just never going to OS X or Linux.

[steven36]

Just now, CODYQX4 said:

I've been happy using OS X, and there's always Parallels for Windows apps like Visual Studio that are just never going to OS X or Linux.

But you also use windows 10 , I use Windows 8.1 and Linux because I dont like windows 10 .

[straycat19]

1 minute ago, steven36 said:

Another shameless  advertisement  for chormebooks?   I'm using Linux right now on my old pc I  bought years  ago when win 8 1st came   the latest version of Linux works fine on it for free and Windows 10 dont even support the drivers for my hardware No need to pay $229. for it

 

You missed the point of my post.  People will buy cheap laptops (chromebooks) over those with windows.  So if the manufacturers would sell laptops with Linux cheap (like the chromebooks) then people would buy those instead of windows and since there is a slew of free productivity software for Linux they could push them as a true replacement for windows.  Personally I have absolutely no use for Chromebooks.  

 

Really, old is when windows 8.1 came out, I think not.  Old is my Dell Inspiron 3000 I bought for $2100 in 1997 with Windows 95 that is running an old version of Ubuntu now.  Or my ancient PC built in 1995 with a pentium 166, 4MB ram, Matrox video card with 8MB (cost $1000) and two 520MB HDDs still running Windows 95c.  Just a little perspective on what old really is. 

[steven36]

1 hour ago, straycat19 said:

 

You missed the point of my post.  People will buy cheap laptops (chromebooks) over those with windows.  So if the manufacturers would sell laptops with Linux cheap (like the chromebooks) then people would buy those instead of windows and since there is a slew of free productivity software for Linux they could push them as a true replacement for windows.  Personally I have absolutely no use for Chromebooks.  

 

Really, old is when windows 8.1 came out, I think not.  Old is my Dell Inspiron 3000 I bought for $2100 in 1997 with Windows 95 that is running an old version of Ubuntu now.  Or my ancient PC built in 1995 with a pentium 166, 4MB ram, Matrox video card with 8MB (cost $1000) and two 520MB HDDs still running Windows 95c.  Just a little perspective on what old really is. 

 

The other week you was talking about  how good Linux was , why does you're story change every-week ?  i have a photographic  memory  that's why i catch on to  things to do with electronics so fast . I  started building things as a kid  

 

i have a windows 98 somewhere  but  i want use it  anymore  just like i want use my old xp box anymore  there x86 and the processors are too small  to play the kind of videos i like on Linux .  All the old processors  that came out before HD processors are crap  . A low end processor nowadays  is like a 100 times more fast than the best ones made  bk in the day.

[CODYQX4]

25 minutes ago, steven36 said:

But you also use windows 10 , I use Windows 8.1 and Linux because I dont like windows 10 .

Windows 10 + Harsh Firewall Configuration + StartIsBack.

[steven36]

17 minutes ago, CODYQX4 said:

Windows 10 + Harsh Firewall Configuration + StartIsBack.

Something like that is what i used back when I used  windows 10  but by  the time you remove and block all the spyware  you just have windows 8.1 in a windows 10 shell.. my new PC as long as i use the hardware  that came with it will get windows 8.1 updates tell 2023 no need to update it  lol. they claim Windows 10 is a improved version of windows 8.1 but  only thing they added  you use a replacement for that's worth having unless  you upgraded the processor to use DX 12?

[OrbingStorm]

The only op system I haven't used on a daily basis is OSX and I've been thing of getting a Mac just so I can see if it really :just works :as I'm told by so many.

However...I am a tinkerer and do love to mess with windows so I'm not sure if a mac is for me ,as well as the price here in Australia is so damn expensive.

As for Linux..its perfectly usable but still doesn't have the polish of windows.

But I am fed up with Microsoft's new direction of money first customers last policy.And no info about updates really pisses me off.

 

[stylemessiah]

I have an OSX 10 El Capitan VM image, for that day when Microsoft finally figures out a way to get around all the blocks i have in place to stop my PC from being infected by the spyware and virus that is Windows 10

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, OrbingStorm said:

The only op system I haven't used on a daily basis is OSX and I've been thing of getting a Mac just so I can see if it really :just works :as I'm told by so many.

However...I am a tinkerer and do love to mess with windows so I'm not sure if a mac is for me ,as well as the price here in Australia is so damn expensive.

As for Linux..its perfectly usable but still doesn't have the polish of windows.

But I am fed up with Microsoft's new direction of money first customers last policy.And no info about updates really pisses me off.

 

 

Depending on your existing hardware, you could possibly make yourself a Hackintosh, i wouldnt give that evil skivvy wearing cult a bloody cent, but i will use their free OS for free on occasion

[OrbingStorm]

I have been looking at that exact thing lately by trying it in vmware or similar but I need to spend more time figuring it out.Also I need to find that image.

Only thing is I do love that gorgeous screen resolution they have.My graphics card will run a 4k monitor though.

[steven36]

7 hours ago, OrbingStorm said:

As for Linux..its perfectly usable but still doesn't have the polish of windows.

Also it dont have BSOD  and all  those great things that comes with Windows  , Its not  about polish really   its about you're ability  to adapt to using different software  not many windows programs will run in Wine in Linux .  So you have to get use to open source  ones  for Linux .  . Many people use Linux everyday  and dont touch windows but most of them dont visit  a windows software forums  ether.  As far as Mac I already went down that road with Microsoft  Windows for  the last 15 years  them waiting  my money  I'm not going to invest anymore money just  to mess around  on the internet. tell  i need a new box , I just bought  a new one in Sep 2015 .. I already have  a windows 7 x64  , windows 8.1.x64 and Linux x64 with  dual boot Linux Mint / Xubuntu  and some retired x86 pcs  i dont even use anymore.  I need MAC OS  like I need a hole in the head   Very old pcs are useless  unless you need them for office work or something  they dont have enough  ram  to be a server let alone watch hd videos on..  there not even worth putting Linux on .

[MidnightDistortions]

I use Linux and i love it. Sure it doesn't support a lot of things as of yet but that's why i also use W7. The way MS is treating it's user base you would think more people would either go Mac or Linux. I certainly don't like the nagware MS is attempting to place on my W7 machines. MS isn't pulling this crap on their gaming consoles because they have Sony to worry about but the problem with MS is they have 90% of computer users which doesn't seem to budge.

Linux certainly has the potential to crush MS but the problem is people are too concerned about it not having support. You'd think there wasn't many developers who even understand how to code for Linux, the problem is companies isn't taking advantage of Linux. They'd save a bit on having to upgrade their hardware to keep Windows running, in fact it's also easier on their hardware as well.

[steven36]

10 minutes ago, MidnightDistortions said:

I use Linux and i love it. Sure it doesn't support a lot of things as of yet but that's why i also use W7. The way MS is treating it's user base you would think more people would either go Mac or Linux. I certainly don't like the nagware MS is attempting to place on my W7 machines. MS isn't pulling this crap on their gaming consoles because they have Sony to worry about but the problem with MS is they have 90% of computer users which doesn't seem to budge.

Linux certainly has the potential to crush MS but the problem is people are too concerned about it not having support. You'd think there wasn't many developers who even understand how to code for Linux, the problem is companies isn't taking advantage of Linux. They'd save a bit on having to upgrade their hardware to keep Windows running, in fact it's also easier on their hardware as well.

I'm like this once they made processors fast enough  to do  what i want too do  that was good enough  regardless  if on windows or Linux .Sort of like businesses if it would been up to them M$  would had  update XP  forever  it was good enough . That's  the whole reason M$  is giving away and O/S  with adware  and pushing businesses to upgrade . There's not much else that can be added  to make a system do anything  you really need since Windows 7  People  are tired  of them making stuff  for no reason .

[vibranium]

Quite a few people I know use both Mac and PC. Some have multiple PCs running Windows and Linux according to their needs.

 

We are in a world where different OSes are becoming more like each other in terms of capability and function. Microsoft (or any other company) cannot make any stupid moves without burning through piles of cash.

[steven36]

I know one person not from the internet that has  a mac its my nephew's girlfriend  he goes to collage  to work on computers  and he told  me you dont want a mac.

 

Like the OP says its really self contained  like  the modern apps part  of windows  its harder  to use than Windows are Linux  . Most people who buy mac mostly  do it for looks .Mac already been updating the  same version of its O/S MAC has been Mac OS X 10  since 2000  iOS 11  will come and i bet Mac will be still at 10  . Were do you think they got idea to make windows 10 forever?  Microsoft is so unoriginal  to do this 15 years latter

 

It didn't work 2 good for apple  so how do Microsoft think it will work for them ? every time a new codename  Apple charge a fee .Even if it will be windows 10 forever what comes out 5 years from now want be compatible  with hardware today .

[OrbingStorm]

Yes its all food for thought.Thanks for the info.

[OrbingStorm]

I predict Android for pcs will become very popular.Dare I say that some Linux users will move over to it?

[CODYQX4]

Fun fact. Unboxed a new Windows machine (it was running 7 not 10), BSOD within 5 minutes. I blame the OEM crapware or drivers but damn.

[steven36]

14 hours ago, CODYQX4 said:

Fun fact. Unboxed a new Windows machine (it was running 7 not 10), BSOD within 5 minutes. I blame the OEM crapware or drivers but damn.

I ran windows 7 for  over 2 years everyday once and never  had to reformat  Im still using that hard drive  on a different PC with Linux. Also i have another Windows 7 PC  that was vista i use to encode videos  and stuff it came  with vista  and its never been formatted  since 2010  lol.  So that's not win 7 fault  you have something wrong most likely a computably issue like you say.

 

15 hours ago, OrbingStorm said:

I predict Android for pcs will become very popular.Dare I say that some Linux users will move over to it?

Dare i say not  most Android apps cost money or they are proprietary software.. Mostly just windows users will use this O/S  if it ever does anything on PCs  .  Long after everyone  is off in cloud with Win10  Hybrid/Cloud the Linux community will be the only traditional PC users left .

 

So far  Remix O/S dont even have auto  updates when the version updates you have to clean install  and they still never release a version that will work on x86 for old laptops.  I'm watching  what it does just for shits and giggles  but it will never  replace my Linux  O/S .

 

Here  is a good review  of Remix O/S

http://thenewstack.io/remix-os-peek-future-android-desktop/