Batu69 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Windows 10 is needed to leverage any new chipsets from the likes of Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm Microsoft is in a difficult position at the moment. The company needs Windows 10 to take off, both to meet their goal of a billion Windows 10 users and thus solidify their place in the market and to avoid negative press around Windows 10 adoption rates. Microsoft wants to talk about how 200 million people have installed Windows 10 in a little over five months, not how enterprises are putting off their Windows 10 migrations. Therefore, Microsoft is looking for every angle to spur consumers and, perhaps more important, enterprises, to get Windows 10 installed already. One such angle is the close link between Windows and Intel’s CPUs. It’s always been true that Microsoft and Intel work very closely together to ensure that the latest version of Windows supports the latest Intel chipset innovations. Windows 10 is no different, as Microsoft attests in their Windows Blog post this morning: Quote We are particularly excited about the work we’ve done with Intel on their new 6th generation Intel Core processors (code named “Skylake”). Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics and 3x the battery life – with the unmatched security of Credential Guard utilizing silicon supported virtualization. We and our partners are continuing to invest, innovate, and update to drive continued performance improvements across Windows 10 and Skylake devices. Microsoft quotes a number of Intel, OEM, and enterprise customers spokespersons who extol the virtues of Windows 10 and Skylake and the value of migrating to Windows 10. For example, here’s Lenovo: Quote Lenovo is committed to driving innovation and is inspired by the technology advances enabled by Windows 10 and 6th generation Intel Core processors. Our newest products, such as ThinkPad X1 and Lenovo YOGA, are designed to deliver significant new capabilities to customers around the world,” said Gerry Smith, COO Lenovo PC, Enterprise and Global Operations, executive vice president, Lenovo. “We applaud Microsoft’s commitment to helping all of their customers take advantage of the Windows operating system family and in particular, leveraging the latest innovations on new Windows 10 devices. We will continue to work alongside Microsoft and Intel to ensure customers maintain the highest level of confidence in the security, reliability and performance of devices running on Windows and Intel platforms. And here’s Kimberly-Clark: Quote Windows 10 promises to provide us with the tools that we need to respond to today’s new security threats – right out of the box. The best part of Windows 10 is getting new features on our devices every few months, and monthly security updates. The newest technology is simply delivered to us – something we have never been able to do on our own in the past.” Dorothy Stephenson, Director, ITS – Kimberly-Clark In short, Microsoft is saying, “You really want to upgrade to Windows 10, because that’s the only way you’ll be assured of using all of the technology that’s available to you.” At the same time, however, Microsoft can’t ignore those customers who, for whatever reason, don’t want to migrate just yet from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. For those folks, Microsoft is providing assurances that options exist to keep things running while Windows 10 migrations are being planned. Quote At the same time, we know many of these customers continue to rely on Windows 7 for its well understood reliability and compatibility. Windows 7 was designed nearly 10 years ago before any x86/x64 SOCs existed. For Windows 7 to run on any modern silicon, device drivers and firmware need to emulate Windows 7’s expectations for interrupt processing, bus support, and power states- which is challenging for WiFi, graphics, security, and more. As partners make customizations to legacy device drivers, services, and firmware settings, customers are likely to see regressions with Windows 7 ongoing servicing. Ultimately, the bottom line is this: Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 support is time-limited, with the former supported for “security, reliability, and compatibility” through 2020, and Windows 8.1 through 2023. What an enterprise buys today will remain supported by Windows 7 and 8.1. However, from here on out, you’ll need Windows 10 to leverage any new chipsets from the likes of Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm (a further hint that ARM support is in the cards for Windows 10). At the same time, Microsoft is severely limiting expectations regarding what customers can expect from Windows 7 and 8.1 devices even on Skylake: Quote Through July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support period, these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices. Yes, Microsoft is saying, your current machines will still run on Windows 7 and 8.1, but you really, really want to start switching over to Windows 10. This is Microsoft being “transparent” in setting expectations while continuing to push hard to get Windows 10 adopted right now. Microsoft stands by to help, they’re saying, but start taking those first steps today or you’ll be missing out. On the one hand, we applaud Microsoft for being forthcoming and clear. That should help them avoid the kind of explosion that the company suffered with its ill-advised OneDrive fiasco. On the other hand, the company is being aggressive with pushing Windows 10, from bothersome tickles and downright heavy-handedness on the consumer (and now business side) with the “Get Windows 10” app and now a longish blog post letting enterprises know that the smart money is on migrating to Windows 10 sooner rather than later. 2016 is shaping up to be a fascinating year for Microsoft on all kinds of fronts. We’re looking forward to covering things for you as the technology industry continues its monumental shifts. Article source Batu69 edit 2: Another content has been merged & moved from technology news forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Desperation, sheer desperation. What's next? People with Nvidia graphics cards have to upgrade? Seagate hard drives no longer supported in Windows 7 and 8.1? Seems more of the better media commentators are finally seeing Microsoft's despicable upgrade conduct for what it really is... Microsoft Finds Another Way to Force Windows 10 Upgrade on Businesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 14 hours ago, Karlston said: Desperation, sheer desperation. What's next? People with Nvidia graphics cards have to upgrade? Seagate hard drives no longer supported in Windows 7 and 8.1? Seems more of the better media commentators are finally seeing Microsoft's despicable upgrade conduct for what it really is... Microsoft Finds Another Way to Force Windows 10 Upgrade on Businesses AMD, is is darn if you do darn if dont though . I bought a gateway back a few years ago with windows 8 brand new and by the time Windows 10 came out there were no stable drivers that worked for it , only drivers i can find for it are beta ones for windows 10. I just turned the box into a Linux box I dont see how this will make enterprise update any faster . Most Enterprise will use what they have tell windows 7 updates are about to run out and buy all new Windows 10 computers . There not known to take upgrades . After all there paying for windows 10 while home users dont have too yet . Quote Of course this means Windows 7 and 8.1 installed on hardware prior to Skylake should still be supported after 17 July 2017 until the expiration of their respective lifecycles as noted earlier for Windows 7 and 8.1. http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/microsoft-turns-enterprise-focus-windows-10-and-new-hardware Skylake didn't even launch tell August 5, 2015 , Most Enterprise bought Windows 7 right before XP ran out of updates or shortly after they want be effected by this. Only people who bought these newer Skylake boxes will be effected . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizin Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Soon, when you buy a new PC, it won't support Windows 7 or 8. Microsoft has announced a change to its support policy that lays out its plans for future updates to its older operating systems, and the new rules mean that future PC owners with next-generation Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm processors will need to use Windows 10. It's not usual for old PCs to fall short of the minimum requirements of a brand new operating system, but in this case, the opposite is happening. Microsoft and its partners will not be putting in the significant work necessary to make new hardware work with older versions of Windows. The old operating systems, at best, will merely lack the latest updates. At worst, they might not function properly. "Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support," Microsoft notes in a blog post published on Friday. "Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel's upcoming 'Kaby Lake' silicon, Qualcomm's upcoming '8996' silicon, and AMD's upcoming 'Bristol Ridge' silicon." This new policy doesn't mean that Windows 7 and 8.1 are no longer supported in general. The two operating systems will continue to get updates through January 14, 2020 and January 10, 2023, respectively. But that's only if you're using hardware that was contemporaneous with those operating systems. For current PC owners, the detail to note is that Intel's current, sixth generation processors, known as Skylake, are the first that won't support either of the older versions of Windows. (Intel and Microsoft say that the platform and Windows 10 were designed for each other.) Microsoft is phasing in the policy now. Microsoft offers 18-month grace period for enterprise customers For the company's all-important enterprise customers, who often lag behind on hardware and software updates in order to guarantee stability, Microsoft says it will be maintaining a list of approved Skylake systems that are guaranteed to have Windows 7 and 8.1 support through July 17, 2017. That gives companies an 18 month grace period to buy modern hardware for employees before committing and implementing upgrades to Windows 10. After the grace period, only "the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices." Companies and consumers, of course, can still buy older PC hardware that doesn't utilize Intel's Skylake platform or other modern CPUs — the last generation of supported Intel processors are known as Broadwell, and those chips are still widely available. The policy change not only makes Microsoft's hardware partners happy — they no longer are on the hook to develop as many costly software updates for past versions of Windows — but it also helps Microsoft push adoption of Windows 10. The company sees the operating system as the "final" version of Windows; it's now a service, not a product, and this change better reflects that. There's only one current version of Windows, and while Microsoft will fullfill its legacy hardware obligations, it won't be expending resources to help users steer clear of its latest and greatest.Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitorio Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 21 minutes ago, Arizin said: Soon, when you buy a new PC, it won't support Windows 7 or 8. Microsoft has announced a change to its support policy that lays out its plans for future updates to its older operating systems, and the new rules mean that future PC owners with next-generation Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm processors will need to use Windows 10. It's not usual for old PCs to fall short of the minimum requirements of a brand new operating system, but in this case, the opposite is happening. Microsoft and its partners will not be putting in the significant work necessary to make new hardware work with older versions of Windows. The old operating systems, at best, will merely lack the latest updates. At worst, they might not function properly. "Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support," Microsoft notes in a blog post published on Friday. "Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel's upcoming 'Kaby Lake' silicon, Qualcomm's upcoming '8996' silicon, and AMD's upcoming 'Bristol Ridge' silicon." This new policy doesn't mean that Windows 7 and 8.1 are no longer supported in general. The two operating systems will continue to get updates through January 14, 2020 and January 10, 2023, respectively. But that's only if you're using hardware that was contemporaneous with those operating systems. For current PC owners, the detail to note is that Intel's current, sixth generation processors, known as Skylake, are the first that won't support either of the older versions of Windows. (Intel and Microsoft say that the platform and Windows 10 were designed for each other.) Microsoft is phasing in the policy now. Microsoft offers 18-month grace period for enterprise customers For the company's all-important enterprise customers, who often lag behind on hardware and software updates in order to guarantee stability, Microsoft says it will be maintaining a list of approved Skylake systems that are guaranteed to have Windows 7 and 8.1 support through July 17, 2017. That gives companies an 18 month grace period to buy modern hardware for employees before committing and implementing upgrades to Windows 10. After the grace period, only "the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices." Companies and consumers, of course, can still buy older PC hardware that doesn't utilize Intel's Skylake platform or other modern CPUs — the last generation of supported Intel processors are known as Broadwell, and those chips are still widely available. The policy change not only makes Microsoft's hardware partners happy — they no longer are on the hook to develop as many costly software updates for past versions of Windows — but it also helps Microsoft push adoption of Windows 10. The company sees the operating system as the "final" version of Windows; it's now a service, not a product, and this change better reflects that. There's only one current version of Windows, and while Microsoft will fullfill its legacy hardware obligations, it won't be expending resources to help users steer clear of its latest and greatest.Source I think, finally, the found a practice solution that encourages users to used Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lurch234 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Microsoft Limits Support For Upcoming Processors To Windows 10 Microsoft announced that starting with Windows 10, it will provide software support for the latest processors only on the latest Windows platform. This will further push users to upgrade their OS in order to use the newest generation of processor technologies. Throughout the last years, when a new processor is released, Microsoft has released software support for it in every supported version of Windows on the market. These updates at times are extremely important to maintaining the smooth operations of the system with new hardware, such as the update that was released alongside the Pentium 4 Prescott processors to view Hyper-Threaded cores differently than full fledged CPU cores. A more recent example is the update for AMD’s Bulldozer CPUs that marked half of the cores in a similar way as Hyper-Threaded cores, so that Windows more evenly distribute tasks among the available MCMs. “Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming ‘Kaby Lake’ silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming ‘8996’ silicon, and AMD’s upcoming ‘Bristol Ridge’ silicon,” said Terry Myerson, Executive Vice President at Microsoft, in a blog post. SImilarly, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and Windows 10 all received updates related to Intel’s new Skylake processors, but when Skylake’s successor, Kaby Lake, and AMD’s Bristol Ridge processors are released, Microsoft will update only Windows 10 to support them. If you are still using an older Windows OS, you might be able to use these processors, too, but you may encounter instability, increased power draw, and lower performance relative to Windows 10. Even with updates to extend Skylake Support to Windows 7, Microsoft claimed that negative side effects of using an older OS over Windows 10 are already quite tangible. According to Myerson, “Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics and 3x the battery life – with the unmatched security of Credential Guard utilizing silicon supported virtualization.“ This also extends to SoCs from companies such as Qualcomm and Samsung that are placed into Windows-based devices. Microsoft said that users on older OSes that currently have Skylake support should plan to move to Windows 10 in the near future as well, as Microsoft will stop supplying updates related to Skylake to these operating systems on July 17, 2017. It is interesting to see that Microsoft opted to make this change of policy starting with Windows 10. Although there may be some tangible benefits to upgrading to Windows 10, Microsoft appears to want everyone to move to Windows 10 so badly that it is giving the OS away. We previously commented on the amount of data Windows 10 gathers from its users for the purpose of advertising, and it seems that this move by Microsoft is just another way of pushing users on to Windows 10. If you want to get the full performance out of your Skylake, Kaby Lake, or AMD Zen system, it looks like you will need to make the move to Windows 10. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vibranium Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Expected money grabbing tactical move from Microsoft. Now users can only depend on the 50% chance that chipmakers Intel and AMD will pick up the slack with driver updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straycat19 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 If they want to sell chips they will. Even new computers we are buying are having the windows 10 overwritten with our windows 7 image. Their really is no reason to run windows any more. Even a lot of the corporate software is now web based and will run on anything that will run a browser. And if you need Office and Outlook then Mac OSX is a viable alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vibranium Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 49 minutes ago, straycat19 said: If they want to sell chips they will. <conspiracy> Ah, but then MS may provide some INCENTIVE for Intel and AMD to forget about a driver. </conspiracy> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namek Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Haha, and they think people will use other windows, just because of few optimizations? :Dd Linux all the way:) Somebody has a good plan to destroy microsoft:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Microsoft’s new PR idiocy: New PC can only use Windows 10 (not 7 nor 8.1) Quote Microsoft made this ridiculous “clarification” to the Windows support policy. With no notice, older versions of Windows lose support on the latest PC hardware. Yep, that's right: Now you can't downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1 on Skylake CPUs (or later). There's a woolly, limited get-out-of-jail-free card for a short while, but this is just the latest ludicrous Microsoft scheme to get you onto Windows 10. The way it's always been in the past is that enterprises could buy today's hardware, but put their current image on it, only upgrading when it made sense. But with this move, Microsoft changes everything—and with precisely zero warning. I'd be screaming at my MS rep if I were an IT manager. What on earth was Terry Myerson thinking? I predict another “clarification” soon, undoing this PR nightmare. What's the craic? Ed Bott reports—Microsoft updates support policy: New CPUs will require Windows 10: Quote In a change to its longstanding support policy, Microsoft says PCs based on new CPU will require Windows 10.… Historically...Microsoft's support lifecycle [offered] a generous ten years of support for each Windows release. Effective today, that policy is changing. … In a series of "clarifications"...the company announced that support for...Windows [7 and 8.1] will be available only for "previous generations of silicon." … New consumer-based Skylake devices must run Windows 10. [But] Microsoft will publish "a list of specific new Skylake devices we will support to run Windows 7 and Windows 8.1." [But only] for 18 months. Get that? Dante D'Orazio feeds the fire—Microsoft says new processors will only work with Windows 10: Quote [It] doesn't mean that Windows 7 and 8.1 are no longer supported. ... The two operating systems will continue to get updates through...2020 and...2023, respectively. But that's only if you're using hardware that was contemporaneous. … [But] Intel's current, sixth generation processors, known as Skylake, are the first that won't support either of the older versions. [You] can still buy older PC hardware...the last generation of supported Intel processors are known as Broadwell, and those chips are still widely available. … While Microsoft will fullfill its legacy hardware obligations, it won't be expending resources to help users steer clear of its latest and greatest. Here's the horse's mouth. That would be Terry Myerson, spinning thuswise—Windows 10 Embracing Silicon Innovation: "Challenging" Quote We’ve seen...over 200 million active devices already running Windows 10 and unprecedented demand from...enterprise customers. … For Windows 7 to run on any modern silicon, device drivers and firmware need to emulate Windows 7’s expectations...which is challenging. … We know many of these customers continue to rely on Windows 7. [It] will continue to be supported...on the down-level silicon it was designed for. … Windows 10 will be the only supported [version] on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake”...Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996”...and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge”. Ouch. Gordon Kelly cuts to the chase, with Microsoft Makes Windows 7 And Windows 8 Support Worse: "Refusing to honour" Quote Think your copy of Windows 7 is supported? ... Think your copy of Windows 8 is supported? ... Think again. … Microsoft is...refusing to support Windows 7 and Windows 8 on Intel’s current generation ‘Skylake’ processors, with the exception of a “list of specific...devices.” … Yes, you read this right: Microsoft is breaking from 31 years of Windows history by refusing to honour its promised Windows lifecycles. Double ouch. Paul Thurrott cuts to the chase—Microsoft Finds Another Way to Force Windows 10 Upgrade on Businesses: "Any means necessary" Quote This behavior is mostly hard to justify, and is a far more serious issue than the non-existent Windows 10 privacy issues that others carp about. … And I am reasonably sure this has never happened before. … There isn’t a business on earth that would go to the trouble of deploying on Skylake hardware now only to have to upgrade to Windows 10 in the near future. … In other words, this is more of the same: Microsoft pushing customers to Windows 10 by any means necessary. Update: But what if there's a good reason? Peter Bright shines a light—Skylake users given 18 months to upgrade to Windows 10: "No mention of server" Quote he company's official reason for this change is a little opaque. ... It's not entirely clear what hardware changes are really motivating this. … Skylake, for example, has a certain degree of autonomous power management, allowing the chip to respond more quickly to changing demands than the operating system can. ... Similarly, platform features...include all manner of complexity. … [But] this burden seems like something that the hardware companies can make decisions about themselves. … This may well prove awkward for enterprise customers. ... Microsoft's announcement makes no mention of its server operating systems. [Will] these will be subject to the same policy? Update: It's at times like this that we need a dose of summarizing snark. Who better to turn to than Richard Chirgwin? Microsoft herds biz users to Windows 10 by denying support for Win 7 and 8 on new CPUs : "Canned quotes" Quote Microsoft has somehow persuaded the big names of silicon that it would be better for all concerned if they quietly euthanize Windows 7 and 8.1. … [They] occupied the same room without injury long enough to promise that future products...will not be sullied with Windows 7 or 8.1. … OEMs also formed into well-ordered, obedient ranks, with Lenovo, HP...and Dell all politely providing canned quotes. At which, Trevor Pott calls MSFT out as douchecanoes extraordinare: "The trust is gone" Quote Asshats. I hope they drown in their own hubris. … The trust is gone. May they never earn it back. And Finally... How does Beardyman do that? http://www.computerworld.com/article/3023533/microsoft-windows/microsoft-support-windows-10-new-hardware-itbwcw.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WALLONN7 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Ha... Ha... And... Ha... This should be posted in JOTD forum!!! Microsoft moves has becoming more and more ridiculous!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixvex Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I was very excited when Windows 10 was launched. Not anymore. Fed up with the Stat Menu Not Woking problems. If the same starts happening in my Office, then I will go mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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