Linux and open source have won, get over it

[steven36]

2015 was the year Linux and open-source software took over the IT world, but many open-source and proprietary software fans still haven't figured it out.

 

In 2015, Microsoft embraced Linux, Apple open-sourced its newest, hottest programming language, and the cloud couldn't run without Linux and open-source software. So, why can't people accept that Linux and open source have won the software wars?

 

I know way too many Linux users who think of Microsoft as "The Evil Empire." People, that was yesterday. Get over it.

 

Today's Microsoft isn't Gates or Ballmer's Microsoft. Today's Microsoft has brought .NET Core to Linux; it supports Debian GNU/Linux on its Azure cloud; and has its own Linux certification. Look at Microsoft in 2016 and you'll see a company which offers the open-source Hadoop big data software on Ubuntu and whose CEO proclaims that Microsoft loves Linux. Heck, Microsoft even has its own, specialized Linux distribution: Azure Cloud Switch.

 

To all this, I can hear some die-hard Linux fans screaming that Microsoft still forces Android companies to pay for what's almost certainly invalid Linux-related patents. Yes, yes, it does. Thanks to those 310 Linux-related patents Microsoft makes billions from Android. From Samsung alone, Microsoft makes a billion bucks a year for nothing except a promise Microsoft won't sue Samsung for patent violations.

Terrible right? Let me ask you a question. If you were making billions from patents, would you open them up? Donate them to the benefit of all via the Open Invention Network?

 

I don't think you would. And, I know darn well that no CEO of publicly-traded company can even think about giving away billions for the good will of a few programmers.

 

Eventually those patents will expire. When that happens, I don't see Microsoft going down the patent troll road. It's doing very well by embracing Linux, open-source software, and open-source development methods.

There are also Microsoft true-believers who can't see Microsoft really giving up Windows and other proprietary programs. You're right. It's not. Instead Microsoft has said it won't be releasing a Windows 11. Instead, it'll be upgrading desktop Windows right up to the point where most of you will be running Windows from the cloud where, in turn, your Windows instances will be running within Ubuntu-powered open-source containers.

 

Even Apple, which is far more proprietary than Microsoft these days, has finally gotten a clue. In 2015, Apple announced that it would open-source its hot new Swift language. Oh, and Apple didn't just open source it, it released a Swift Linux port.

 

Now Apple won't go as far as Microsoft has. That's because Apple isn't really a software company. It's a vertically integrated hardware company. Apple doesn't want anything except its own software, or software it has a great deal of control over, running on its gadgets. So long as people love Apple gear and will pay a premium for it, Apple won't go for open source in a big way. Eventually, the shiny will rub off Apple and it'll need to get on the open-source bandwagon as well.

 

As for the cloud, which is where all IT work is headed, much of it already runs Linux and uses open-source server programs. As Mark Russinovich, CTO of Microsoft Azure, said last fall , "one in four instances [on Azure] are Linux."

 

And Amazon Web Services (AWS), the biggest cloud of all? Bigger than all the other public clouds put together? It runs on a a customized version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) code.

Looking ahead, this trend will only continue. OpenStack, a pure open-source cloud play with vast support, continues to grow in popularity.

 

And, everyone on the cloud, and I mean everyone, is racing as fast as they can to use Docker and other open-source containers to maximize the server instances from their hardware.

I'll make this simple for you. Open-source programmers, you've won. Relax already. Proprietary software developers, get your GitHub account now, your world is coming to a close.

 

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[vibranium]

Hurray. Three cheers for Linux!

 

Pause for a moment. Linux "won the software wars". What war is that, and who defines who wins? Adoption rate? Adoption rate GROWTH? Benefit to society? Freedom?

 

Maybe the battle rages on...

[steven36]

29 minutes ago, vibranium said:

Hurray. Three cheers for Linux!

 

Pause for a moment. Linux "won the software wars". What war is that, and who defines who wins?

Microsoft big sellers was not windows  in many years now  since  windows 7 there making there money from Azure witch runs Linux . Seems to me there getting away from the PC market  somewhat 1st they gave Windows 10 free instead  of  trying to  boost the PC industry . there moving toward computing in the cloud lol.

 

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In its latest results, Microsoft reported Azure revenue up 121 per cent year on year. In November, the company announced plans to build an Azure region (multiple data centres) in the UK.

 

Microsoft’s server products also continue to perform well. Whereas Windows on PCs has suffered from strategy lurches as well as strong competition both from Apple and from mobile operating systems, its server strategy has been sharply focused on virtualisation, modularity and automation.

 

 

http://www.nsaneforums.com/topic/258660-microsoft-in-2015-mobile-disasters-windows-10-and-heads-in-the-clouds/#comment-1029216

Belive me there's a master plain about  why there trying to  force windows 10 on everyone  and  it just isn't about harvesting you're data ether.. its  there  trying to put everyone computing in the cloud .

[Holmes]

Technically linux won a long time ago everything runs linux and IoT has been around for a long time to.  I dont hate that I like it I have always thought open source is the most insecure the source code is freely available and can be looked at without being hacked into to view.  The auuditors of the truecrypt took a long time it looked like to review truecrypts source code for backdoors.  I mean its like google play store on android hackers and users can download apk files unpack them inject malicious code into them pack them again and put them back on google's play store.  Im not a regular linux user I have used linuxx not as much as windows and thats why I dont completely understand it Im going to in the future.

[Pequi]

6 minutes ago, Holmes said:

Technically linux won a long time ago everything runs linux and IoT has been around for a long time to.  I dont hate that I like it I have always thought open source is the most insecure the source code is freely available and can be looked at without being hacked into to view.  The auuditors of the truecrypt took a long time it looked like to review truecrypts source code for backdoors.  I mean its like google play store on android hackers and users can download apk files unpack them inject malicious code into them pack them again and put them back on google's play store.  Im not a regular linux user I have used linuxx not as much as windows and thats why I dont completely understand it Im going to in the future.

People can decompile closed source apps in minutes, unless they are very heavily encrypted. Believe me, I was a cracker a very long time ago, have "seen" (via irc) people like Hambo and Duelist at work, their skills were uncanny. It's probably even easier today, with all the automatic "unprotectors" coded to cut corners. Closed source only protects stuff from noobs, and they are not the guys that you have to worry about.

Closed source != security.

[aang]

Cheers,  there is still someone who post something interesting on this forum that has lately become awfully boring.  thanks @pequi

[haxzion]

wow i didn't know that MS is milking android companies.Man that's true evil.

[Holmes]

I know I forgot about that my mind was in a one track moment at the time I posted it and said to myself decompile it and got sidetracked meant to edit my post.  I know I have a friend that is really good to he can technically hack into anything and using a nickname online only can track someone anywhere in the world if he wanted to hes got sick skills.  Oh and if they are encrypted you can just unpack it manually depending on what packer is used.  For your information aang thats off topic and you said thanks when you should have used the like button.

[davmil]

I've been listening to the Linux hype since 1991.  The problem is; when everyone owns something, no one owns it and when no one's responsible, then it's not commercial / carrier class.  Apps & O/S's that come and go with the weather - how'd one supposed to train workforces around that?  I'm not saying it couldn't do both the heavy lifting and all the day-2-day stuff but without commercial incentive it's never going to stabilize.  That's what M$FT and brand UNIX knows.

[steven36]

7 hours ago, Pequi said:

People can decompile closed source apps in minutes, unless they are very heavily encrypted. Believe me, I was a cracker a very long time ago, have "seen" (via irc) people like Hambo and Duelist at work, their skills were uncanny. It's probably even easier today, with all the automatic "unprotectors" coded to cut corners. Closed source only protects stuff from noobs, and they are not the guys that you have to worry about.

Closed source != security.

Even most  free  Proprietary software developers bundle in malware with there code even free antivirus comes with 3rd party gifts   so it don't even have to be necessarily compromised by a hacker but this is true its not very hard to exploit  closed source  if they know what there doing,  but the developers are the worse ones at adding  it and even the government  backdoor some of it   Witch Ive never had this problem with open source  apps on Linux . The best  programs  for Windows are open source and Proprietary software you pay for . There's some clean free Proprietary programs but most of it nasty out the box or  they are cripple ware . I used windows for 15  years  and i  messed with cracks that long too  . All cracking  is exploiting a weakness  in its code  .Old saying is if it can be cracked  it can be hacked  and  there's not very much  software by a expert coder that cant be cracked.  People  have it in there  head that Proprietary software   is better than open source witch its simply not true as far as security  goes. 

 

2 hours ago, davmil said:

I've been listening to the Linux hype since 1991.nd UNIX knows.

i bet  you never heard of Microsoft loving Linux or allow people to use it with there products  tell 2015  . In 1991  most  people didn't care about computers at all  that was then when it was ran by Gates  this is now  were all the big hitters are using open source .  New Proprietary software is rarely seen anymore  most of the apps  have been around for years  with just minor  updates  to its code .even Windows 10 will be like this if they don't make windows 11.  There going to be left behind in open sources dust  so Microsoft is embracing it . I  never thought about using Linux tell  like  2015  but now i use it a lot and use  to love Proprietary software and still do like some of it  for when I'm on windows  but people  , places  and things  change.

[GRiM]

lmao,  same shit every year for 30 years.  "Linux is the future"  and "Linux is winning".   

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Holmes said:

I know I forgot about that my mind was in a one track moment at the time I posted it and said to myself decompile it and got sidetracked meant to edit my post.  I know I have a friend that is really good to he can technically hack into anything and using a nickname online only can track someone anywhere in the world if he wanted to hes got sick skills.  Oh and if they are encrypted you can just unpack it manually depending on what packer is used.  For your information aang thats off topic and you said thanks when you should have used the like button.

 

[steven36]

1 hour ago, GRiM said:

lmao,  same shit every year for 30 years.  "Linux is the future"  and "Linux is winning". 

That would had been impossible, because its only been around 25 years, nice try though.

 

What makes  this article so interesting it was written by a M$ fan boy  not the Linux community . That's been writing news since the 1980s.

 

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

ZDNet  is own by CBS  its about as mainstream as it gets.

[GRiM]

24 minutes ago, steven36 said:

That would had been impossible, because its only been around 25 years, nice try though.

 

What makes  this article so interesting it was written by a M$ fan boy  not the Linux community . That's been writing news since the 1980s.

 

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

ZDNet  is own by CBS  its about as mainstream as it gets.

 

Nice try?  lol,   It was a rough estimate,  not an attempt to "try" an mislead, jeez.    Just take what I said and replace 30 with 25.  What I said still stands.

 

Nice try

[steven36]

2 minutes ago, GRiM said:

 

Nice try?  lol,   It was a rough estimate,  not an attempt to "try" an mislead, jeez.    Just take what I said and replace 30 with 25.  What I said still stands.

 

Nice try

Why there will never be a year of the Linux desktop

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Looking ahead, I see 90 percent and more of users working with hybrid desktop/cloud operating systems. Most people are already well on their way to not using conventional desktop and laptops at all. This trend, even as tablet sales slow, will only continue.

There will be a few people who will still use conventional desktops. These are the ones who want real control over their hardware and software. They're the ones who want real security. In short, they're the same people who are already using Linux.

So, by 2020, in a very limited way, Linux may be the top "desktop" operating system. It's just that there won't be many traditional desktops left in use. Everyone else will be working with one foot in the cloud and the other in a variety of devices, some of which, like Chromebooks and Surfaces, will look like desktops.

 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-there-will-never-be-a-year-of-the-linux-desktop/

 

In 4  or 5 years , it may very well be if you don't  want to be computing in the clouds, Linux  may be you're  only alternative unless you use and old O/S that don't get security updates.

[Holmes]

GRiM dont hate the player hate the game.  Im sorry Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is not a microsoft fanboy no where in that quote mentions windows.  Unless I am missing something.

[steven36]

42 minutes ago, Holmes said:

 Im sorry Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is not a microsoft fanboy no where in that quote mentions windows.  Unless I am missing something.

The article  does if you ever read any of thing before committing

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Chrome OS, just like Windows 10, can work without an Internet connection or the cloud, but both only really show to their best advantage with their respective clouds. They are both hybrid desktop/cloud operating systems.

Windows 10 is not a traditional desktop like windows 7 is , when people install  it and block  all the features  out of fear there being spied on they defeat its purpose.  Its not even as good as windows 7 once you take away the cloud

 

That's  my biggest  issue with windows 10 there's no way i can use the cloud part of it privately . So why use something  that i fear to use a lot  of  its features its pointless  to me but 80% or 90%  percent the O/S world  will use it anyway lol. 

 

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols  tested windows  10  in this article  he says he did  and never had a problem with it like some of us have. hes been  in IT work  for 30 years  so he knows about all O/S. you cant be a IT and not use windows  today.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2984729/microsoft-windows/windows-10-the-stealth-os.html

[Holmes]

I was wrong if it mentions windows doesnt automatically mean fanboy and I dont know why I care if he is or if he isnt a microsoft fanboy lawls.  Ill be happy when all the FUD goes away tired of all the sowing circle crap (gossip speculation).  If I can just get my darn medicine (ativan) I can get windows ten and install linux and start learning about it.  Cortana doesnt require the cloud directx twelve doesnt require the cloud device guard doesnt require the cloud (Im going to use google drive or onedrive I dont know Im going to pick one).  Technically you dont need to use onedrive to get the best of windows ten as I used windoows ten for months installed programs games played games checked my e-mail and I didnt use the cloud one time and funny part it I hadnt really used cortana that much and i was in a VM so I couldnt take advantage of directx twelve.  This thread is not about the author of the article its about the topic about linux and open source every thread I see users always going off topic.  In that article it mentions mark rusovich is the CTO of the azure thats why I would use azure mark is a windows expert (not a fanboy thats a derogatory term for someone that just so happens to like windows alot same with a linux fanboy likes linux alot the term was created by trolls how much do you want to bet).

[steven36]

1 minute ago, Holmes said:

I was wrong if it mentions windows doesnt automatically mean fanboy and I dont know why I care if he is or if he isnt a microsoft fanboy lawls.  Ill be happy when all the FUD goes away tired of all the sowing circle crap (gossip speculation).  If I can just get my darn medicine (ativan) I can get windows ten and install linux and start learning about it.  Cortana doesnt require the cloud directx twelve doesnt require the cloud device guard doesnt require the cloud (Im going to use google drive or onedrive I dont know Im going to pick one).  Technically you dont need to use onedrive to get the best of windows ten as I used windoows ten for months installed programs games played games checked my e-mail and I didnt use the cloud one time and funny part it I hadnt really used cortana that much and i was in a VM so I couldnt take advantage of directx twelve.

Hes a IT for 30 years  in  his line of work you have know a lot about all O/S. He has been working with pcs before  everyone switch to using windows even.

[Holmes]

Then hypothetically speaking hes a OS FANBOY not windows or linux fanboy and if I was a fanboy of anything and Im not I would be a OS FANBOY then again forget the word fanboy seriously thats like calling someone that lives with there mom a mothers boy mommas boy can you say cynical.  Back on topic I have said what I have to say about linux and open source software I use open source software if I download software and it just so happens to be open source that has happened I have no problem with them like eddie griffin said whats with all the red and blue (bloods and the crips gangs) there both brothers why not come together like butt cheeks and be the sh*t why cant microsoft community and linux community (microsoft and linus torvalds) come together and be the sh*t lawls.

[steven36]

1 minute ago, Holmes said:

Then hypothetically speaking hes a OS FANBOY not windows or linux fanboy and if I was a fanboy of anything and Im not I would be a OS FANBOY thats what Im talking about.

Hes mainstream media   regardless if the apples or oranges  come 1st   . He don't speak for  the Linux community .many in the  Linux community .are against Microsoft . Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is pro Microsoft .

[steven36]

38 minutes ago, Holmes said:

Then hypothetically speaking hes a OS FANBOY not windows or linux fanboy and if I was a fanboy of anything and Im not I would be a OS FANBOY then again forget the word fanboy seriously thats like calling someone that lives with there mom a mothers boy mommas boy can you say cynical.  Back on topic I have said what I have to say about linux and open source software I use open source software if I download software and it just so happens to be open source that has happened I have no problem with them like eddie griffin said whats with all the red and blue (bloods and the crips gangs) there both brothers why not come together like butt cheeks and be the sh*t why cant microsoft community and linux community (microsoft and linus torvalds) come together and be the sh*t lawls.

Why are you answering my post below you above me by editing it/?  are you OK bro ?  You're opinion don't mean nothing to the  the Linux community ether  that's why they have there own forums and news sites to get away from most of the pro Microsoft crowd 

 

I go over there and read  to  hear about people  talk about Linux . There's lots of smart people over there if you can get over the fact  to most of them  think  Linux  is a  religion .

[Holmes]

Pro microsoft I dont like that its bias sounds bias to me.  Im fine sometimes when I post someone just did and posts get arranged in a strange way and sometimes when I have posted I dont feel like posting a new post and feel like editing my original I have seen you do that tons of times.  My opinion does matter (and Im entitled to it) and it does matter to the linux community your one linux user you dont speak for the whole community and there are alot of smart users here to why are you being disparaging toward the users in this forum (this statement is intended only if you meant there were no smart users over here).  The statement you made above sounds awfully close to a linux fanboy saying my post talking about why cant we all (windows users and linux users) just get along is non-sense.