This Makes Me SO F***ing Angry

[Alanon]

I'll try to adress the many issues raised by the folks here in one longish post.

The problem with compassion is that if you start throwing words like it around, you have to accept them universally. So, you have to have compassion for the pigs, chicken, fish, the bits and pieces of insects that get ground up during grain harvest that participates in the making of our bread. You couldn't take a bite of anything without tears and mourning. There are too much people on this Earth, and you can't feed them all on naturally deceased animals. To have compassion for one creature and not for another is simply flawed, hypocritical, and in this case meaningless. The only people who have the moral right to debate the question of human compassion towards animals are the vegans and vegetarians.

If you say that it's wrong to kill dogs because they are not bread for death, I say that being destined to die from the start is a sentence far worse than sudden death. Haven't you seen the documentaries of concentrate-fed chickens, stuck in those awful coots, with thin, useless legs, crawling and dragging around? These dogs at least have a couple of years in the wild, and perhaps get to produce their descendants during that period. Biologically speaking, they have at that point performed a great part of their evolutionary programming, which is more than the pigs, cows and chickens get.

As for making a celebration out of it, doesn't every western country have large barbecues? What is that if not a celebration fuelled by dead livestock?

If you believe in having souls, you get into quite a problem. If there is such a thing as a soul, then God must have created it. And the Bible teaches us that every living thing has a soul. So you either say dogs have souls, but pigs don't, or every creature does, and mankind is horrendous for doing what it does, on the whole. God also allowed Moses to kill animals for food (at this time I can't specifying which), but determining the ritual which must be performed for it to not be a sin. As far as I am aware, not a single practising Christian denomination adheres to these laws. Therefore, we are all guilty of cruelty and the sin of avarice.

These points only illustrate the other side of out cultural prejudices. Essentially, we do the same if not worse every day, but either choose to ignore it, or simply don't notice it. That is the reason why some people here are appalled, while others are annoyed by their surprise and plead for cultural discernment. Our cultural heritage is complex, and it's what makes us who we are. Restraint must be very high indeed whenever we approach different cultures, because while interacting with them, we may show a lack of understanding of our own.

[smallhagrid]

Really - if we are to be 'fair' on this entire topic of killing and eating (whatever) (formerly) living things - the ONLY true way that it is OK at all is for there to be hunter and hunted so that each has at least a chance to survive by its own abilities - or to become food for the survivor.

Of course this is no longer realistic in the present world because if it was practiced now...

Strong, able-bodied 2-leggeds would easily and routinely be having fat, lazy, slow bankers, executives & politicians served up as their dinners.

Whatever passes for 'civilised' behaviours is societal, cultural, personal and likely 10 other measures besides.

Those who are able to truly comment upon what makes 'food' that used to be a living animal are either farmers who slaughter & dress out their own meats - or hunters who only eat if their hunt is successful.

Really - to be 'fair', most folks who do their 'hunting' ONLY in markets have only unrealistic perspectives upon this and related subjects.

(And to be clear - in my past I was a farmer as well as having 'helped' some who fancied themselves as 'hunters' because they could shoot a gun - but then had no idea how to get that furry thing into any form which might end up on their plates...)

All that being said - here's a bit of humour to lighten up this rather dire subject:

And here's a presentation about how MOST meat animals are handled and why it is seldom discussed, from a marketing perspective=>

To make matters a bit more interesting - what about the sick folks known as 'PETA' - who kill animals quite constantly ??

( http://www.petakillsanimals.com/article_detail.cfm?article=134 )

How is it possible that their own title includes the word 'ethical' when they are murderers themselves, daily ??

Edited June 10, 2014 by smallhagrid

[Whoopenstein]

Lewis and Clark ate dog several times. They got sick of eating salmon and wanted real red meat.

At least they didn't take a living cat and stick it in a bag - hammer it a bunch - then douse it in boiling water to make a tea that's supposed to relieve aches and pains - like some Koreans . . .

[GRiM]

only thing I will say is China should be ashamed and I am disgusted

I bet if it was pigs being slaughtered to make bacon or cattle to make steak, you'll be right with them.

Don't try to judge everyone with your own moral compass.

Wrong these animals are bred for food Dogs certainly here are not but its also the way these animals are killed. we at least kill ours humanely

And what do you consider "humane"? obviously you have never worked in a slaughter house. What on earth do you think they do, inject them with anesthetic and sing lullabies to them?? .....No they stab them with a stun gun so they cant move, hand them up by their legs and slit their throat. Only after they have been kicked, punched and tortured.

[The Owl]

only thing I will say is China should be ashamed and I am disgusted

I bet if it was pigs being slaughtered to make bacon or cattle to make steak, you'll be right with them.

Don't try to judge everyone with your own moral compass.

Wrong these animals are bred for food Dogs certainly here are not but its also the way these animals are killed. we at least kill ours humanely

And what do you consider "humane"? obviously you have never worked in a slaughter house. What on earth do you think they do, inject them with anesthetic and sing lullabies to them?? .....No they stab them with a stun gun so they cant move, hand them up by their legs and slit their throat. Only after they have been kicked, punched and tortured.

Ever been on a battlefield?

I have.

[GRiM]

only thing I will say is China should be ashamed and I am disgusted

I bet if it was pigs being slaughtered to make bacon or cattle to make steak, you'll be right with them.

Don't try to judge everyone with your own moral compass.

Wrong these animals are bred for food Dogs certainly here are not but its also the way these animals are killed. we at least kill ours humanely

And what do you consider "humane"? obviously you have never worked in a slaughter house. What on earth do you think they do, inject them with anesthetic and sing lullabies to them?? .....No they stab them with a stun gun so they cant move, hand them up by their legs and slit their throat. Only after they have been kicked, punched and tortured.

Ever been on a battlefield?

I have.

What has that got to do with the price of fish?

[dMog]

several years ago a i was in Vancouver and went to a Chinese restaurant with some friends that live in Vancouver. One of my buddies that is Chinese took us to this place...we wee the only white people in the place. the menu was 12 pages and on every page there some food choices that were only written in Chinese .... i asked the waiter what they were and he told me he would not tell me...i pressed him on this and he refused to tell me...so when the waiter left i asked my buddy to translate...he also refused but did tell me several items on the menu were only served in private rooms so other patrons could not see what was being served....all of them were considered delicacies and i am quit certain we westerners would really not understand why... just because we do not subscribe to just what is good and ok or even think some things should not be served does not make us right...or even a step further morally right...that being said....there should a clear line drawn when a species is hunted into extinction just to feed the masses or make so called medicines for virility...you would not believe the black market just for bear parts that exists in British Columbia canada... they sell the bear parts to china by the way