DSL Internet

[LemonHead2089]

I just ordered DSL Internet for 14.95 a month at 768K downstream and 128K downstream. How fast is that capable of going measured in kb/s? I know there's a certain equation to figure it out, but I just don't remember what it is :dunno: Tried googling it too and I couldn't find nothing <_>

[Samurai]

8 bits = 1byte or 8kb = 1KB

So...

768 / 8 = 96KB/Sec Downstream

128 / 8 = 16KB/Sec Upstream

Note that this is the best you can get, depending on how far away you are from the exchange. Unless you live inside the exchange expect speeds of around 10% below advertised.

[LemonHead2089]

ok thanks :dunno:

[Lite]

You won't realistically be getting those speeds (overheads etc). Expect around 88kB Down and 13kB up (if your lucky)

[nsane]

you can get a 192 KB/s line (~170KB on a good day, considering overhead as lite mentioned) for $30/mo with bellsouth. you can also break the modem payments down to $7.50/mo for 10 months, instead of the $75 up front (and with free newgroups ya can't complain) :lol:

i'm even upgrading to a 4Mb line after i pay the modem off, costs about the same every month when ya count the modem payments (which i should still be able to use) :dunno:

you do still live in FL, right?

btw, verizon should be an ISP to keep your eyes on, since they're going FULLY fiber optic as they make their rounds replacing old lines. i mean, they have to replace em all eventually, wear and tear + FCC regulations, so they figured they'd make their entire network fiber optic while they were at it this time around. so their service should be competing with cable speeds here shortly...just thought i'd mention that :fear:

[LemonHead2089]

yeah we are getting Verizon and I still live in Florida. We do have the Fiber Optics available already (5 mb/s downstream) its crazy. And it's only ~$30-35 :dunno: I'm going to get it eventually. Just need to get a job and I'll be all set. But for now, its going to be the cheap stuff. I would get BellSouth, but we don't have that out here. Only phone/DSL company we have here is Verizon and EarthLink.

[Guest oxygenuk]

$ or £?

[Samurai]

$ or £?

Last time I checked, the US was still using dollars ($) :lol:

[LemonHead2089]

:lol: but yes, $

[Lite]

I will be upgrading my connection soon to oh lets say..... 24Mb Down with 1.3Mb up.

:lol:

[nsane]

good god, do they have I2 over there already?! :lol:

any ways, wait until zerizon is fully fiber optic, they should be offering ALOT faster speeds once the switch is finished completely ;)

btw, bellsouth is coming out with a 6mb package here in a bit. ganna be like $50/mo, worth mentioning...

[LemonHead2089]

yeah i noticed that. One week we recieved an ad offering the Fiber Optics at 3 mb/s and then the next week or so we got another one in the mail it suddenly went up to 5 mb/s for the same price

[myidisbb]

good god, do they have I2 over there already?! :lol:

any ways, wait until zerizon is fully fiber optic, they should be offering ALOT faster speeds once the switch is finished completely ;)

btw, bellsouth is coming out with a 6mb package here in a bit. ganna be like $50/mo, worth mentioning...

you know whats sad is ADSL was orginally 8 mb before they capped it. so you can figure if you are max at the rate speed you are getting you should befinet from a higher rate. (bs has a 4mb? i though 3mb? their website site talks about version 6, the 6 mb, no price.) if its giong to be $50 then its like 1.5 orginal price. interesting interesting. Their NGs are back to complete files agin. they sucked for like 2.5 days.

nsane quesiton. if a neighbor that has bs too but doesnt use the ngs (4 connection nodes) couldnt one setup and use them at one's house if the nieghbor alowed it? just wondering. with newsleecher one might get 8 connections thought i know it be still cap at one's own speed of 160 download. just wondering anyway, sense it seems that 1 conenction max is slower then 4 conectins total same max.

[nsane]

nsane quesiton.  if a neighbor that has bs too but doesnt use the ngs (4 connection nodes) couldnt one setup and use them at one's house if the nieghbor alowed it?  just wondering.  with newsleecher one might get 8 connections thought i know it be still cap at one's own speed of 160 download.  just wondering anyway, sense it seems that 1 conenction max is slower then 4 conectins total same max.

no, the connection limit is account and IP based. so you'd need software that's capable of connecting under different IPs/connections and sign in under different accounts (and i don't know of any that can) :lol:

[Lite]

you know whats sad is ADSL was orginally 8 mb before they capped it.  so you can figure if you are max at the rate speed you are getting you should befinet from a higher rate

Do you know your wrong? I know how ADSL works (and how it doesnt....). ADSL (in its current form atleast) physically cannot handle any more than 8mb. ADSL2+ combats this by using a different method of sending signals (well its kinda like the shortest path through the wire in kinda a zig-zag, did it in physics, dont ask for more details as i dont remember). However, old implementations experianced PACKET LOSS and sometimes dead signals so they chose to use slower speeds. Over time this is refined and the faster speeds come out....

[myidisbb]

Do you know your wrong? I know how ADSL works (and how it doesnt....). ADSL (in its current form atleast) physically cannot handle any more than 8mb. ADSL2+ combats this by using a different method of sending signals (well its kinda like the shortest path through the wire in kinda a zig-zag, did it in physics, dont ask for more details as i dont remember). However, old implementations experianced PACKET LOSS and sometimes dead signals so they chose to use slower speeds. Over time this is refined and the faster speeds come out....

from what i understood in the usa on dsl and its adsl it was supoose to be 8mb. then the companies all capped it to this crazy smal spped. (to stop home web sites) your infomration makes a bit more sense.

there was something about packet broken into 265 little packets i seem to remember to help stop lost packet data.

oh from what you have written about your speed connections im guessing you work and live at a isp by chance? or is that standard for your area? just wondering. (or second theory that came to mind was you was born with a silver spoon) :lol:

[Lite]

DSL technology ALL works using a standard method. Nothing different in your beloved USA to anywhere else.

I work for no ISP. I live ~1.5kM away from my exchange. The speed i quoted is one of ADSL2+.

[myidisbb]

DSL technology ALL works using a standard method. Nothing different in your beloved USA to anywhere else.

I work for no ISP. I live ~1.5kM away from my exchange. The speed i quoted is one of ADSL2+.

so they have version 2 in your area for these speeds?"I will be upgrading my connection soon to oh lets say..... 24Mb Down with 1.3Mb up." so whats the max for version 2 future able too?

just under a mile from your exchange. exchange your isp or the server site? just making sure i understand what you mean by it. both countries need to use the same terms :lol:

[LemonHead2089]

how do you find out how far away you are from your exchange? Do you ask their customer service? and what is the exchange? I know you have to have one at the most 3 miles away from your house to get their DSL service but is all the exchange equipment inside a building or is it just a type of electrical box outside?

[Samurai]

how do you find out how far away you are from your exchange? Do you ask their customer service? and what is the exchange? I know you have to have one at the most 3 miles away from your house to get their DSL service but is all the exchange equipment inside a building or is it just a type of electrical box outside?

1. Website for me does it, but I think it's UK only.

2. All equipment is inside the exchange yes.

[LemonHead2089]

So the actual exchange itself is inside a building? Or is on the side of the street like an electrical box would be?

[Lite]

so they have version 2 in your area for these speeds?"I will be upgrading my connection soon to oh lets say..... 24Mb Down with 1.3Mb up."  so whats the max for version 2 future able too? 

just under a mile from your exchange.  exchange your isp or the server site? just making sure i understand what you mean by it.  both countries need to use the same terms :lol:

Well ADSL2+ is still a new technology in the UK. Its not available to the masses, only a handful of companies sell it. I think those are the max speeds (currently).

I'm 1.5kM away from my telephone exchange. I use standard terminology.

So the actual exchange itself is inside a building? Or is on the side of the street like an electrical box would be?

Thats a very good question. I would assume a building do to the masses of equipment and wires etc. I'm unsure though.

[Samurai]

I wasn't very clear earlier sorry. Let me rephrase... using the UK's standard.

The main telephone service in the UK is BT (British Telecommunications). They've been around since the early 1980's I believe so they have an exchange in almost every town and city. With this in mind, they also own most of the telephone lines underground, so many new telephone companies wishing to set up shop will either have to lay their own lines (very expensive) or "rent" BT's (pretty common). Most ISP's do state you have to own a BT line (telephone service) to use their ISP.

Now, with newer technologies coming around, many businesses are using their own equipment and placing them inside the BT exchanges (with permission of course) and physically disconnecting the telephone line from BT to say their own equipment "XYZ Telecom".

ADSL is capable of 8MB downstream / 1MB upstream.

ADSL2 is capable of 12MB downstream / 1MB upstream.

ADSL2+ is capable of 24MB downstream / 1MB upstream.

Note that all ADSL services can offer these speeds, but again depending on your location and distance from said exchange, expect ~10% below advertised speed (as I mentioned in a previous post).

I'm not too sure how cable works exactly, although I did use it once. Speeds should be somewhat similar, but with better cabling meaning slightly less line noise due to the old cabling in standard copper lines.

Can't wait for the day it becomes standard for the UK to use fibre optic cabling as standard :lol: Hope this all helps.

[LemonHead2089]

Wow there's a lot of interesting stuff in here now! I never knew any of this (newbie :lol:).

But i have another question for all you gifted people ;) I've been reading a whole bunch of the NewsGroup information and just yesterday, I found out Verizon has a news server. So what I'd like to know is if you think I'd be able to use NewsGroups since my connection isn't exactly SUPER fast.

[Lite]

You can use newsgroups on ANY speed connection.