IE8 'optional' in Windows 7

[donizme]

In yet another triumph for Firefox (myself!), Opera, and Chrome users, Microsoft has been forced to make the install of IE8, Windows Media Player and Media Center 'optional' when installing Windows 7 beta release 7048, this is expected to be the case with the final RTM of Windows 7 :tease:

After being fined £441m :fight: in 2004 by the European Competition Commission for being 'anti-competitive', they didn't get the message, so were fined again by £798m in 2008 :coolwink: . Its likely the next fine would have been over £1bn so Microsoft have finally decided to give up the fight, expect Firefox market share to keep getting bigger :o

Microsoft Finally Make IE8 An 'Option'

[KotaXor]

That's not the only option:

Now its official. Today Microsoft made an official announcement that Windows 7 will allow its users to remove several unwanted Windows components, which are tightly integrated into Windows shell. Most of them are already available in Windows Vista, some new components are as follows:

* Windows Media Player

* Windows Media Center

* Windows DVD Maker

* Internet Explorer 8

* Windows Search

* Handwriting Recognition (through the Tablet PC Components option)

* Windows Gadget Platform

* Fax and Scan

* XPS Viewer and Services (including the Virtual Print Driver)

Its not removed:

If a feature is deselected, it is not available for use. This means the files (binaries and data) are not loaded by the operating system (for security-conscious customers) and not available to users on the computer. These same files are staged so that the features can easily be added back to the running OS without additional media. This staging is important feedback we have received from customers who definitely do not like to dig up the installation DVD.

It is worth describing the details of “remove” since this too is a place where there are engineering and customer decisions to be made. We’ve already seen one decision which is to make sure we keep the features staged for future use so that a DVD is not required. A second decision is that we also continue to support the APIs available for features where these APIs are necessary to the functionality of Windows or where there are APIs that are used by developers that can be viewed as independent of the component. As many of you know these are often referred to as “dependencies” and with Windows the dependencies can run both internal to Windows and external for ISVs.

We’ve received feedback for features that should be even more customizable (such as Explorer or the logon screen) or features that should be added to Windows (such as a PDF format reader, security tools, or disk utilities). And we’ve received feedback that some users might prefer to run Windows without certain features.

[Anteus]

Well as they said before, W7is supposed to be more modular than preivous versions.

Maybe you other Firefox lovers want to learn something new about it :o

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[Marik]

tsc....M$ should just incorporate Firefox into win7 and be done with it.

[Rock Lee]

tsc....M$ should just incorporate Firefox into win7 and be done with it.

I see we have a lot of firefox lovers here. Anyone been to this site? Me personally, I don't particularly like Firefox all that much. Yes its customizable & what not, guess you could try to call me a hater but I never got sucked into the whole firefox rush. & yes, I've used it, 3 times: FX1, FX2 & FX3.

[Anteus]

tsc....M$ should just incorporate Firefox into win7 and be done with it.

I see we have a lot of firefox lovers here. Anyone been to this site? Me personally, I don't particularly like Firefox all that much. Yes its customizable & what not, guess you could try to call me a hater but I never got sucked into the whole firefox rush. & yes, I've used it, 3 times: FX1, FX2 & FX3.

So you also use Opera?

[manpe]

tsc....M$ should just incorporate Firefox into win7 and be done with it.

I see we have a lot of firefox lovers here. Anyone been to this site? Me personally, I don't particularly like Firefox all that much. Yes its customizable & what not, guess you could try to call me a hater but I never got sucked into the whole firefox rush. & yes, I've used it, 3 times: FX1, FX2 & FX3.

Same here... I thought firefox was the best option, but when Chrome came out then I saw what potential it had and have been using it since. If Chrome hyped itself as much as firefox does and if it supported addons, it would be in competition with ff.

[Anteus]

But chrome shows couple of sites wrong, I miss a whole bunch of settings and addons.

[manpe]

But chrome shows couple of sites wrong, I miss a whole bunch of settings and addons.

Yes, that is its main problem. I don't think Google took the customization part very seriously... They have opted for simplicity and speed, but I think they have realized that to lure the power users, they will need like you said - settings and addons.

[Rock Lee]

Same here... I thought firefox was the best option, but when Chrome came out then I saw what potential it had and have been using it since. If Chrome hyped itself as much as firefox does and if it supported addons, it would be in competition with ff.

Chrome would blow the everybody including IE8 out of the water if it supported addons. I dunno why Google's being so lazy, addons are pretty easy to make.

So you also use Opera?

I used Opera for about a month, replaced it with Chrome. I mostly use Chrome when I'm chilled out (sitting here @ the forums). Any other work (blogging, researching) I use IE.

[Anteus]

But chrome shows couple of sites wrong, I miss a whole bunch of settings and addons.

Yes, that is its main problem. I don't think Google took the customization part very seriously... They have opted for simplicity and speed, but I think they have realized that to lure the power users, they will need like you said - settings and addons.

Yeah it's the same with Opera.

[KilJaden]

Yeah it's the same with Opera.

You should know one thing Opera doesn't need addons . All the features you would need are already built in except a spell checker which is included in 10 Alpha. Even so Opera has addons even though they don't call them "addons" : Opera Widgets.

If there is one thing that i hate is Fifefox Fans saying that Firefox is the one , when just as note would you still be using Firefox if there wasn't for it's addons ? Imagine yourself without things like : Adblock plus, No script, Greasemonkey, Chatzilla etc. I'm almost certain that some you would ditch Firefox in a flash, because it need more features.

As for Opera you hardly needs any addons , they are already built in all you need is where to look.

So get your facts straight Opera doesn't need addons, maybe it will needs a bigger size of FanBoys praizing it even when it sucked remember the 1.x series of Firefox ?

[Anteus]

Yeah it's the same with Opera.

You should know one thing Opera doesn't need addons . All the features you would need are already built in except a spell checker which is included in 10 Alpha. Even so Opera has addons even though they don't call them "addons" : Opera Widgets.

If there is one thing that i hate is Fifefox Fans saying that Firefox is the one , when just as note would you still be using Firefox if there wasn't for it's addons ? Imagine yourself without things like : Adblock plus, No script, Greasemonkey, Chatzilla etc. I'm almost certain that some you would ditch Firefox in a flash, because it need more features.

As for Opera you hardly needs any addons , they are already built in all you need is where to look.

So get your facts straight Opera doesn't need addons, maybe it will needs a bigger size of FanBoys praizing it even when it sucked remember the 1.x series of Firefox ?

But Opera doesn't have everything and thoose Widgets doesn't look to do so very much.

I only use;

Adblock Plus - blocking annoying ads that I choose most on a domestic forum

Better Gmail2 - I use Gmail much so this is handy

CustomizeGoogle - I google alot therefore I really love this addon

Greasemonkey - with two scripts that's crucial for me on a domestic forum

Tab Mix Plus pre - surfs alot on big forums and this speeds up tabrelated things like scrolling between tabs

on a Firefox 3.1 beta 3

When you talk about the old Firefox that were the days when the most had IE (5 or 6?) and to changes from that to Firefox it was the best they knew then.

[KilJaden]

But Opera doesn't have everything and thoose Widgets doesn't look to do so very much.

I only use;

Adblock Plus - blocking annoying ads that I choose most on a domestic forum

Better Gmail2 - I use Gmail much so this is handy

CustomizeGoogle - I google alot therefore I really love this addon

Greasemonkey - with two scripts that's crucial for me on a domestic forum

Tab Mix Plus pre - surfs alot on big forums and this speeds up tabrelated things like scrolling between tabs

on a Firefox 3.1 beta 3

When you talk about the old Firefox that were the days when the most had IE (5 or 6?) and to changes from that to Firefox it was the best they knew then.

Adblock Plus - Opera built in site manager with user ad blocking

Better Gmail2 - Gmail 2.0 has full suport for Opera 9.5 and up

CustomizeGoogle - http://smir.de/cg/

Greasemonkey - http://my.opera.com/Contrid/blog/2007/02/1...monkey-in-opera

Tab Mix Plus pre - Default Opera behaviour

As for those days it was IE 6 and IE 7 , and Opera 7.0 or 8.0 .

Those days Opera was by far the fastest, safest, feature rich browser around but it never had Fan boys because as far as I've noted Opera users don't tend praise Opera , they just use it because they love it.

There isn't a single feature that FireFox has that wasn't already built in Opera before, (maybe the new incognito module which they got from Chrome ) , and when it comes to a clean install FireFox at least in my opinion lacks some major features.

As for me : No I'm not a Opera Fan boy , even if I'm using Opera since 5.0 series, and I've tried every single major build of FireFox out there and except the new speed that the 3.5 series will have I'm not impressed. But this doesn't mean i trash FireFox or hate it , the only thing i mean is take in consideration what do you like FireFox or it's addons.

[shought]

Funny how all IE related discussions end up in 'Firefox vs Opera' :think:

My reason for using Firefox is easy: I like the earth(logo), I like water(logo) and I like fire(logo), and well, I dislike Opera's O :)

[Anteus]

But Opera doesn't have everything and thoose Widgets doesn't look to do so very much.

I only use;

Adblock Plus - blocking annoying ads that I choose most on a domestic forum

Better Gmail2 - I use Gmail much so this is handy

CustomizeGoogle - I google alot therefore I really love this addon

Greasemonkey - with two scripts that's crucial for me on a domestic forum

Tab Mix Plus pre - surfs alot on big forums and this speeds up tabrelated things like scrolling between tabs

on a Firefox 3.1 beta 3

When you talk about the old Firefox that were the days when the most had IE (5 or 6?) and to changes from that to Firefox it was the best they knew then.

Adblock Plus - Opera built in site manager with user ad blocking

Better Gmail2 - Gmail 2.0 has full suport for Opera 9.5 and up

CustomizeGoogle - http://smir.de/cg/

Greasemonkey - http://my.opera.com/Contrid/blog/2007/02/1...monkey-in-opera

Tab Mix Plus pre - Default Opera behaviour

As for those days it was IE 6 and IE 7 , and Opera 7.0 or 8.0 .

Those days Opera was by far the fastest, safest, feature rich browser around but it never had Fan boys because as far as I've noted Opera users don't tend praise Opera , they just use it because they love it.

There isn't a single feature that FireFox has that wasn't already built in Opera before, (maybe the new incognito module which they got from Chrome ) , and when it comes to a clean install FireFox at least in my opinion lacks some major features.

As for me : No I'm not a Opera Fan boy , even if I'm using Opera since 5.0 series, and I've tried every single major build of FireFox out there and except the new speed that the 3.5 series will have I'm not impressed. But this doesn't mean i trash FireFox or hate it , the only thing i mean is take in consideration what do you like FireFox or it's addons.

http://my.opera.com/Contrid/blog/2007/02/1...monkey-in-opera it doesn't work on http://oneman.fb.googlepages.com/flashscript.user.js

Well Firefox without addons is still better than IE :think:

For me it's the whole thing which counts, not that Opera is pretty good out of the box I don't care about that because I have my profile and I had it for a long time.

[Atasas]

M$ M$... just not enough slacking it by none day out of all years... ;)

[KilJaden]

For me it's the whole thing which counts, not that Opera is pretty good out of the box I don't care about that because I have my profile and I had it for a long time.

Don't get me wrong , but be honest what do you like more FireFox or it's addons ? Imagine FireFox without it's addons would you still be using it ?

This is one of the main reason FireFox is popular , addons not the browser itself.

And i repeat myself i don't hate FireFox, but i just don't get it why many say they love FireFox when in fact they love it's addons , and they can't live without them. ;) .

It's like saying i like cars when in fact you only love the sound of the engine.

[Anteus]

For me it's the whole thing which counts, not that Opera is pretty good out of the box I don't care about that because I have my profile and I had it for a long time.

Don't get me wrong , but be honest what do you like more FireFox or it's addons ? Imagine FireFox without it's addons would you still be using it ?

This is one of the main reason FireFox is popular , addons not the browser itself.

And i repeat myself i don't hate FireFox, but i just don't get it why many say they love FireFox when in fact they love it's addons , and they can't live without them. :think: .

It's like saying i like cars when in fact you only love the sound of the engine.

Well I do like the addons that complements Firefox. I've tried Opera several times but I'm never pleased on how it works.

For me Opera feels not like a part of the system because of their theme/ui (tried diffrent themes).

Check out this article I think it's the same thinking (read the comments also).

http://www.technibble.com/how-i-finally-go...-pc-technician/

We should drop this now :think:

So how many of uses W7 now or have used it? If you're using it which build and is it the x86 or the x86-64?

I've used the W7 build7000 very pleased but my hdd crashed and thought it was partially IE8's doing. I had Far Cry 2 tabbed down and was going to visit a site which I didn't want to logout from in my Firefox session so hit Win-R and typed iexplore *the adress* and it just froze ;) http://tyda.se/search/partially

[AshTheGamer]

Thanks for the heads up :(.

[Donaldo]

I personally have been using Firefox (with addons) but have retained my Internet Explorer (with IE Pro addon) for those rare occasions when I need to browse sites that are incompatible with Firefox.

Firefox Addons:-

AdBlock Plus

AdBlock Element Hiding Helper

NoScript

Noia (eXtreme)

CookieSafe

Tab Mix Plus

Webshots Premium Grabber

IE View

ps:- downloading Opera right now.