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[Lacius]

My advise will be to you is NOT to use any AV, since AV engines have gone out of their minds in recent times blocking various websites and giving false positives for useful applications. Recently Eset have blocked many websites including with Webroot given some false positives. Other AV's are giving false positive and also are heavy in ram usage making overall computer performance slow. To be really be hones, I am big Eset, Emsisoft, Avast, Kaspersky and Bitdefender fan, but they didn't took my truth in protecting my PC even 98%. I have test various AV's in the past, but few came close in protecting the PC with high ram usage and false positive.

AV is just a security product and not a removal malware product. If you compare AV and to other malware removal like Malwarebytes, Hitman Pro, Hijack This etc. they do way better job in detecting and removal the virus from the system, but again not 100%.

Each year few AV product comes and each year the same AV get upgraded with new features making the customers buy their products again because of new features. I find this to be useless, since companies bring new features and put more focus of them and they leave behind to make their AV engine and removal tool more reliable and powerful.

Compare most AV in removing strong trojan and rootkit, it will fail since they are not design to remove rather to block. And then compare with malware removal tools it will do better job in detecting and removing virus from he computer even the old and new once.

Each year people, will ask this question billion time Which AV is best for this windows..? And everyone have their own opinion, do a search at nsane.forum you will find tons of these questions and do a search at other forums, you will find the same. And only counted people will say you are better off having NO AV since it will do more harm then safe. Just install removal tools and keep scanning twice a week with various malware tools.

This is one of worst pieces of advice I've ever heard. Everyone should have an antivirus program on his or her computer. Removal tools are good for removing malware once you're already infected; antivirus programs are preventative measures to keep one from getting infected in the first place. Generally speaking, AV programs also have the removal functions that other removal tools have.

You probably don't have very much RAM if you're complaining about RAM consumption; my antivirus takes up 40-80 MB of RAM during an active scan and ~30 MB the rest of the time. For comparison, this nsaneforums tab is taking up ~85 MB in Google Chrome.

I do agree with you, however, that one doesn't need to pay for good malware protection anymore. The best AV can be free, including but not limited to avast!, AVG, and Microsoft Security Essentials (Windows Defender on Windows 8 ).

so is everyone ditching Eset for avast now?

I ditched ESET in 2011 and switched to MSE for various reasons. For one, I was tired of having to deal with regular maintenance (manually updating from ESET 4 to ESET 5, for example). For some, that also includes things like dealing with TNOD and trial resets, all for a product that offers little or no extra protection over a free AV alternative.

ESET's recent blocking of nsane also supports my decision.

Don't agree at all.AVs are far from perfect regarding the protection but sorry you have a very narrow minded opinion.

As a counted user you can't distinguish what's false positive and what's not?

Or you're just mad at ESET for blocking this site?

If AV is far better, then why we have soo many AV's and so many argument about AV's engine, features, protection and removal. If AV is better, why does people get infected, hacked by various people and instead removing with installed AV engine people use malwarebytes, Hitman Pro and bootable CD/USB to rescues them from infected computer.

I am not saying AV are totally bad don't even USE them at all it is your choice of course, but since virus and malware are getting stronger AV are becoming less reliable in the eyes of people. Each year, AV's bring new features to make us protective or rather make our system low performance and make us pay more. Search on Youtube about AV reviews and test, you will get confused which is better in performance and protection and removal. No, AV is out their telling you, don't upgrade it make your system performance slow and we are not so good in removal and protective your personal data. Every AV from rubbish to top AV in the world will say on their respectable website that they have achieved awards and customers satisfactions, but when you get infected where will you go.

My sister computer was installed with Avast IS, and still got badly infection, I had to use bootable CD including with malwarbytes, Hitman Pro, Gmer etc to uninfected the computer.

To be honest, it our fault which website and what we download make our computer infected. No, AV can prevent you from viruses and malwares and rootkit 100%. I remember, when I look at the reviews in the past from various websites including with nsane.forum and youtube, I couldn't make up my mind which one is better in performance, protection, removal and detection. Take a look at nsane.down antimalware section, their are many good AV but again question raises. People, keep moving from one AV to another because of its features and detection, and don't bother with removal and performance and how good it is in protecting.

AV or no AV, I will still get infected and hacked if I am not careful, doesn't matter what I do.

That's like asking why people should use condoms when they're only 90-82% effective. They're only 90-82% effective because they often times aren't used correctly, much in the same way people on the internet don't understand safe browsing habits or how to avoid being tricked into clicking or downloading something one shouldn't. Even when used perfectly, condoms are still only 98% effective because they aren't perfect; the same goes for AV programs. That doesn't mean we should just stop using condoms or AV programs.

[Technology]

I didn't say AVs are better than some special tools and other security programs.Far from that.

People will always talk about their AVs and on the other hand AV companies will always promote their products as something special.Nothing wrong with that imo.What do you want them to say?"Look people,we are promoting our new version,it's brilliant but eventually you will probably get infected"

But it's not ok to suggest that AVs are useless.This isn't black and white situation.There is so much gray in this area.

And users are a big part of that gray area.

You are right, companies will promote their products. But like I said, it is our faults what we do. Doesn't matter what AV we use we are not satisfied but some are while putting 100% truth on their bough AV product. So, tell me many people don't have AV but have virus removal tools on their system and their system don't get infected or hacked, just because they are more sensible and knowledge or they are dumb

That's like asking why people should use condoms when they're only 90-82% effective. They're only 90-82% effective because they often times aren't used correctly, much in the same way people on the internet don't understand safe browsing habits or how to avoid being tricked into clicking or downloading something one shouldn't. Even when used perfectly, condoms are still only 98% effective because they aren't perfect; the same goes for AV programs. That doesn't mean we should just stop using condoms or AV programs.

How many people in pornography wear condoms, they don't need to because they are performing, trained and sensible. Condoms were established for people, who have no idea what they are doing, how to do it and especially for the people who are hesitate in having sex for the first time.

If you are first time user of AV, then you have no idea about performance, detection, protection and removal. But when you gradually improving your knowledge around internet then you become aware of AV usage and their black and white picture in this advanced world.

Again, I am not saying AV is totally bad or ignore it totally, its your discuss and my advise can be ignored or taken into consideration. In the past AV was simple to understand and powerful and at least some percentage of reliability but in the past virus and malware were not that strong and caused that much infection to the system. Now, the viruses, malware and hacking have become our live and they are stronger and powerful to destroy a computer in matter of seconds and have no chose to do a whole OS installation.

[Lacius]

How many people in pornography wear condoms, they don't need to because they are performing, trained and sensible. Condoms were established for people, who have no idea what they are doing, how to do it and especially for the people who are hesitate in having sex for the first time.

If you are first time user of AV, then you have no idea about performance, detection, protection and removal. But when you gradually improving your knowledge around internet then you become aware of AV usage and their black and white picture in this advanced world.

Again, I am not saying AV is totally bad or ignore it totally, its your discuss and my advise can be ignored or taken into consideration. In the past AV was simple to understand and powerful and at least some percentage of reliability but in the past virus and malware were not that strong and caused that much infection to the system. Now, the viruses, malware and hacking have become our live and they are stronger and powerful to destroy a computer in matter of seconds and have no chose to do a whole OS installation.

Condoms decrease one's odds of getting pregnant or receiving an STI/STD; they are not about giving a false sense of security to those who are hesitant about having sex. Likewise, an AV program significantly reduces one's odds of getting infected with some sort of malware, usually with very little impact on system performance.

If I were in a firefight, I'd still want a bulletproof vest even though there's a chance that I might get hit somewhere the bulletproof vest doesn't protect, like my head. This is a false analogy since, like condoms, AV programs are ~98% effective.

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[Alanon]

Love the table!

AV, no AV, all the same IF you know your PC. If you need that kind of help, get yourself a simply designed AV, like Emsisoft from a giveaway cheat, or a very nice proxy crack here on Nsane, or even Avira (quite good). Just don't expect a free AV to be perfect (I know I never do). You shouldn't choose only on the basis of detection, but also prevention and pop-up design. It's rather useless to have an AV do everything for you if you know the difference between good and bad files (like a crack from nsane), but it's a disaster if you get the prompt, and have no idea what to click. I'd still recommend Eset' automatic mode, though, it's pretty good stuff. :dunno:

[Technology]

Condoms decrease one's odds of getting pregnant or receiving an STI/STD; they are not about giving a false sense of security to those who are hesitant about having sex. Likewise, an AV program significantly reduces one's odds of getting infected with some sort of malware, usually with very little impact on system performance.

If what you are saying is truth, then why many people don't wear condoms and relies on their common sense before having sex. And you mentioned that AV has small impact of the system performance, Albert Einstein once said that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, So it is alot" for many people small impact on performance it is alot of impact on the system.

[Lacius]

Love the table!

What can I say? I love tables!

If what you are saying is truth, then why many people don't wear condoms and relies on their common sense before having sex. And you mentioned that AV has small impact of the system performance, Albert Einstein once said that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, So it is alot" for many people small impact on performance it is alot of impact on the system.

Anyone who wants to minimize the risk of pregnancy or STI-transmission should use a condom. I'm not sure what you're asking here, but there's no demonstrable effectiveness of anyone ever having magically willed themselves into not to getting pregnant or transmitting an STI.

As for your [incomplete] quote, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Many good AV programs are relatively light on system resources these days. There's no reason not to have one (unless you like malware).

After that, I can't be entirely sure you're even being serious anymore. :P

[Nautilus]

I didn't say AVs are better than some special tools and other security programs.Far from that.

People will always talk about their AVs and on the other hand AV companies will always promote their products as something special.Nothing wrong with that imo.What do you want them to say?"Look people,we are promoting our new version,it's brilliant but eventually you will probably get infected"

But it's not ok to suggest that AVs are useless.This isn't black and white situation.There is so much gray in this area.

And users are a big part of that gray area.

You are right, companies will promote their products. But like I said, it is our faults what we do. Doesn't matter what AV we use we are not satisfied but some are while putting 100% truth on their bough AV product. So, tell me many people don't have AV but have virus removal tools on their system and their system don't get infected or hacked, just because they are more sensible and knowledge or they are dumb

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Like I said,virus removal tools are great.AVs are great too.But only if users use them properly.Users are always the weakest link.

[Lacius]

Like I said,virus removal tools are great.AVs are great too.But only if users use them properly.Users are always the weakest link.

As my critically acclaimed table shows, safe browsing habits are the first line of defense. I agree with you, but that doesn't mean it's at all wise to go without an antivirus program.

[H4rDw4rE]

Hey dude,

Not entirely sure why you want to pay them anything.

I use ESET and just installed this morning. No hassle, all I had to to was download TNod, install and exclude the files. Done

Whats wrong with using TNod again?

I find all the free AV's too loud or uncustomisable.

Maybe because it's not working as it should be?

I have Tnod over a year and in last two months it is unable to find username and password every few days...I think putting it on white list in Eset in not enough...anymore...

Maybe it's only me, but in past Tnod work nice...and stopped...(latest version, all excluded...)

Any recomendations about Tnod?

Not sure then because it finds licenses for me in seconds. Literally have it on startup and everytime I log in the expiration goes up.

I have just followed the readme file and excluded *tukero.* etc and excluded the ESET folder entirely.

For some reason it stoped working after almost a year.

I removed old installation and installed it again.

Same settings then and now, but now it is working.

Strange...but solved :D

Thanks for reply.

[Nautilus]

Like I said,virus removal tools are great.AVs are great too.But only if users use them properly.Users are always the weakest link.

As my critically acclaimed table shows, safe browsing habits are the first line of defense. I agree with you, but that doesn't mean it's at all wise to go without an antivirus program.

That would be suicidal imo. :)

[Nautilus]

Like I said,virus removal tools are great.AVs are great too.But only if users use them properly.Users are always the weakest link.

As my critically acclaimed table shows, safe browsing habits are the first line of defense. I agree with you, but that doesn't mean it's at all wise to go without an antivirus program.

That would be suicidal imo :D

[Technology]

Anyone who wants to minimize the risk of pregnancy or STI-transmission should use a condom. I'm not sure what you're asking here, but there's no demonstrable effectiveness of anyone ever having magically willed themselves into not to getting pregnant or transmitting an STI.

As for your [incomplete] quote, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Many good AV programs are relatively light on system resources these days. There's no reason not to have one (unless you like malware).

After that, I can't be entirely sure you're even being serious anymore. :P

First of all, you have no idea how serious I am.

Secondly, according to your suggestion many people who have low performance system with less ram and people who can barely can afford strong performance computer also should use and buy AV. (Not everyone have powerful computer as yours). And when get infected, pay extra money to PC repair. So, tell me why people don't use AV on Macbook and Linux OS. Read this article http://blogs.computerworld.com/security/20580/how-useful-antivirus-software.

[Boskorp]

+1 for Avast if you don't want mess with settings, as was said - install and forget

+1 for Comodo IS - but you have to fine tune it, there is a topic in the forums about tuning it. Also help/FAQ is very rich. And once you pass learning period (If enabled) you'll forget it is working in the background soon. It is very good IS suit and also the license states it's free even for commercial

- 1 for Cloud based AVs - they are still a joke, don't bother ;)

[smallhagrid]

Wow - such an amazing discussion from my little questions...

IMO the best anti-malware protection is a little knowledge and using one's BRAIN - unfortunately, alot of folks lack that 1st thing while (especially kids & folks in a mad rush...) cannot be bothered to use their brains, which explains WHY my question was posted.

For me, personally, I know what's happening in my own PC that nobody else uses - but the kid's PCs are cared for like public toilets in a big city and the woman wants ZERO KNOWLEDGE of any/all things tech while being territorial about HER notebook, so it takes a disaster (that she usually makes for herself) before a mere mortal is ALLOWED to get near it.

Just tonight I learned of Clam Sentinel, which works on top of ClamWin and adds on-access & USB functions to it - all using 100% free & very well updated AV info - this seems very attractive to me.

As to the others - when I tried BD it's auto-quarantine thing seriously pissed me off, as well as the 1000 notifications in my face endlessly - I tried to make it more to my liking and it beat me, so I gave up on it - this was a while back though.

Avast was another funny thing sometime back - it did an update that brought with it a virus as found by the KAV rescue disk, so out it went and I did not try it since then.

Kingsoft AV 2013 is now listed on their site, but not easy to find, I got there from the RaymondCC page about free AV programs.

Tnod quit working for me too a while back, but was re-enabled with info I got right here at Nsane - I'm sorry, but I cannot remember right now who it was that so generously helped, but it's here in an Eset thread someplace...

For the others in the house who refuse to be careful and/or learn anything I will want a set & forget solution, so the ones suggested are looking better & better to me every minute as the NOD32 expiration approaches - and I don't want to give them the trial reset just because it's one teeny-tiny step closer to their needing a brain to know if something is amiss.

[lordi]

Panda is light, but not secure enough.

Avast is secure but over-scans things and slows down the execution of softwares / etc.

similar with Avira free then? over protective :unsure:

I use Microsoft security essential on my Laptop :lol:

[H4rDw4rE]

Panda is light, but not secure enough.

Avast is secure but over-scans things and slows down the execution of softwares / etc.

similar with Avira free then? over protective :unsure:

I use Microsoft security essential on my Laptop :lol:

MS love people like you :D

They are looking for a good testers :P .

Joke ofcourse, but many times Security Essential is not enough for people who like "surfing" web, at least for me...

[lordi]

MS love people like you :D

They are looking for a good testers :P .

Joke ofcourse, but many times Security Essential is not enough for people who like "surfing" web, at least for me...

LOL ahahaha, I use Kaspersky before, but my laptop too old to handle it, so I choose MSE, ehehehe, I think its enough for me, just broswing safe and never use laptop for financial task, :P

[niharjhatn]

Comodo's firewall is excellent.

I just keep the firewall on, have disabled AV component completely, and run malware bytes on demand. I agree that v6 is a bit slower than v5 though, so maybe just stick with 5 for the moment.

I have eset installed on desktop, my main draw to eset it how bloody quick it is, doesn't slow down PC at all.

I still think MSE isn't a great antivirus, largely because of updates not being pushed often enough, as well as not offering decent advanced options. Still, it might have improved significantly since I last run it. I remember it being somewhat of a CPU hog, but hey - maybe I'll give it a re-install when I'm bored.

LOL, saw some recommendations for AVG in the thread. I wonder how they are going with their engine - I remember seeing some "objective" AV reviews that gave pretty damn good scores for their product.

Might be worth a re-install if only for lols.

[avmad]

I don't think 1 person mentioned Clam AV :lol: For good reason. Well done :rolleyes:

[insanedown58]

I don't think 1 person mentioned Clam AV :lol: For good reason. Well done :rolleyes:

Then Immunet for Windows feel?

[R3C0N]

Bitdefender engine is really the best. It have less F/P's than most others. You find in F-Secure, Bullguard, Trustport and many more... Mostly they have 2 engines u can select only BitDefender's.

Free is Windows Defender, MS Security Essentials,... they use very little resources and also light.

[Lacius]

I still think MSE isn't a great antivirus, largely because of updates not being pushed often enough

Microsoft Security Essentials (Windows Defender on Windows 8 ) averages about 6-7 definition updates per day.

[uffbros]

You folks don't know what your talking about on this one..Antivirus DOESNT cover very many Trojans,Worms,Rootkits..Do your research like I have done..You my friends are misinformed on this matter. Yes some..but it's main job is viruses. MalwareBytes is the best antimalware program we have right now. Hitman Is a close 2nd!!!!!!!!

[Lacius]

You folks don't know what your talking about on this one..Antivirus DOESNT cover very many Trojans,Worms,Rootkits..Do your research like I have done..You my friends are misinformed on this matter. Yes some..but it's main job is viruses. MalwareBytes is the best antimalware program we have right now. Hitman Is a close 2nd!!!!!!!!

Antivirus programs do cover many/most trojans, worms, and rootkits. While Malwarebytes is a great removal tool, most antivirus programs also have removal functions. One of the first things I do is run Malwarebytes on peoples' infected computers when they come to me with problems, but Malwarebytes is no substitute for an AV program as a second line of defense (the first line being safe browsing practices).

[avmad]

You folks don't know what your talking about on this one..Antivirus DOESNT cover very many Trojans,Worms,Rootkits..Do your research like I have done..You my friends are misinformed on this matter. Yes some..but it's main job is viruses. MalwareBytes is the best antimalware program we have right now. Hitman Is a close 2nd!!!!!!!!

LOL and what engines does Hitman use? Thats right AntiVirus engines Bitdefender, Emsisoft, GData and Ikarus.

I test these products for fun and review, against Rootkits, Worms, trojans, Spyware, Adware, exploits etc etc and they don't miss very much, except the crappy one like Panda and the unheard of ones.