Gore Joins Chorus Chiding U.S. at Climate Talks

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Gore Joins Chorus Chiding U.S. at Climate Talks

NUSA DUA, Indonesia — Amid growing frustration with the United States over deadlocked negotiations at a United Nations conference on global warming, the European Union threatened Thursday to boycott separate talks proposed by the Bush administration in Hawaii next month.

Humberto Rosa, the chief delegate from Portugal, which holds the rotating presidency of the European Union, said the discussions next month would be meaningless if there were no deal at the conference here this week on the resort island of Bali.

Germany's environment minister, Sigmar Gabriel, told reporters, "No result in Bali means no Major Economies Meeting." He was referring to the formal name of the proposed American-sponsored talks.

The goal of the Bali meeting, which is being attended by delegates from 190 countries and which is scheduled to end Friday, is to reach agreement on a plan for a future deal to reduce greenhouse gases.

The escalating bitterness between the European Union and the United States came as former Vice President Al Gore told delegates in a speech that "My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali."

Mr. Gore arrived at the conference from Norway, where he, along with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, received the Nobel Peace Prize for helping to alert the world to the danger of global warming. He urged delegates to agree to an open-ended deal that could be enhanced after the Bush administration leaves office and the United States policy changes.

"Over the next two years the United States is going to be somewhere it is not now," Mr. Gore said to loud applause. "You must anticipate that."

There appears to be broad consensus among the delegates that a new agreement on climate change should be ready by 2009, in time to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, the current agreement that limits emissions by all wealthy countries except the United States, which signed the Kyoto agreement but has refused to adopt it. Gaping differences remain between countries over how to share the burden of switching from types of energy that contribute to global warming.

The United States and the European Union remain at odds on many major points, including whether an agreement signed here should include numerical targets, a move that the United States and a few other countries, including Russia, oppose.

The emerging economic powers, most notably China and India, also refuse to accept limits on their emissions, despite projections that they will soon become the dominant sources of the gases.

"I'm very concerned about the pace of things," Yvo de Boer, the executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, which is playing host to the meeting, said Thursday.

The United Nations released fresh data on Thursday confirming what it called the planet's continued and alarming warming.

The 10 years ending in 2007 were the warmest on record, said Michel Jarraud, the secretary general of the World Meteorological Organization, a United Nations agency, citing data taken since the late 1800s from a global network of weather stations, ships and buoys.

"It's very likely the warmest period for at least the last 1,000 or 1,300 years," he told reporters.

The data did not surprise scientists — every recent decade has been warmer than the previous one — but in releasing the numbers here the agency hoped to spur the 190 deadlocked governments into reaching a deal that would set a deadline for a global climate change agreement.

Disagreements exist across a wide range of issues and between numerous blocs of countries but the United States has come under especially strong criticism here by countries rich and poor and by its own domestic critics.

"The best we hoped for was that the U.S. would not hobble the rest of the world from moving forward," said Kevin Knobloch, president of the Union of Concerned Scientists, a nonprofit American organization. "Our delegation here from the States has not been able to meet that low level of expectation."

Paula Dobriansky, the head of the American delegation, said Thursday that she was committed to obtaining an "environmentally effective and economically sustainable" agreement by 2009.

"We are working very hard to achieve consensus," she told reporters.

Delegates here have seen two faces of America: the cautious negotiators, who have sought to water down the more ambitious goals of the European Union; and the more activist voices, from people like Mr. Gore and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York, who gave a speech on the sidelines of the conference.

In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Bloomberg criticized both the Bush administration and Congress for not being aggressive enough in addressing global warming.

"There's a belief that the United States should not do anything until all the other governments are willing to go along and do it at the same time," Mr. Bloomberg said. "We should be doing this regardless of whether the world is following or not."

The World Meteorological Organization said Thursday that the world's average surface temperature had risen by 0.74 degrees Celsius, or 1.33 degrees Fahrenheit, since the start of the 20th century. To the general public that may seem a modest rise, but scientists consider it alarming in the context of historical shifts in temperature.

The difference between temperatures today and an ice age is only 5 or 6 degrees Celsius (9 or 10.8 Fahrenheit), according to Mr. Jarraud of the World Meteorological Organization.

Several weeks ago, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nation's leading scientific body on the topic, released its gloomy assessment of warming that is being cited by European delegates here as a clarion call. Climate change was "unequivocal," the report concluded.

"Average Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were very likely higher than during any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the highest in at least the past 1,300 years," the report said. Greenhouse gases were very likely the dominant force driving up temperatures now, it said.

The panel, made up of hundreds of scientists, releases its assessment of the data and science on climate change every five years.

Thomas Fuller reported from Nusa Dua, Indonesia, and Elisabeth Rosenthal reported from Rome.

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[myidisbb]

thank god for nader screwing gore out of the white house.

[dock98]

gore is a dip shit. a judge found so many errors in his global warming theory.i think it was all political bullshit.

[dMog]

gore is a dip shit. a judge found so many errors in his global warming theory.i think it was all political bullshit.

You are correct about Gore...he is using the issue for his own political and monetary gains...But...the issue is still something you should be worried about...just because a "dip shit" is siding with a specific issue does not make the issue "bullshit".....

PS...try not to use crude language it is offensive to some and does nothing to prove a point inteligently

[dock98]

PS...try not to use crude language it is offensive to some and does nothing to prove a point inteligently

my bad,excuse the language

[bearoninternet]

gore is a dip shit. a judge found so many errors in his global warming theory.i think it was all political bullshit.

You are correct about Gore...he is using the issue for his own political and monetary gains...But...the issue is still something you should be worried about...just because a "dip shit" is siding with a specific issue does not make the issue "bullshit".....

PS...try not to use crude language it is offensive to some and does nothing to prove a point inteligently

Is it correct to say someone is correct about Gore or is that just being politically incorrect ? :)

We should be really worried if this co2 hype is turning out to be totally untrue.

That will result in some serious bullshit.

Or am i being too crude now :wacko:

[dMog]

gore is a dip shit. a judge found so many errors in his global warming theory.i think it was all political bullshit.

You are correct about Gore...he is using the issue for his own political and monetary gains...But...the issue is still something you should be worried about...just because a "dip shit" is siding with a specific issue does not make the issue "bullshit".....

PS...try not to use crude language it is offensive to some and does nothing to prove a point inteligently

Is it correct to say someone is correct about Gore or is that just being politically incorrect ? :frusty:

We should be really worried if this co2 hype is turning out to be totally untrue.

That will result in some serious bullshit.

Or am i being too crude now :wacko:

bullshit adds to co2 :)

[myidisbb]

gore is a dip shit. a judge found so many errors in his global warming theory.i think it was all political bullshit.

You are correct about Gore...he is using the issue for his own political and monetary gains...But...the issue is still something you should be worried about...just because a "dip shit" is siding with a specific issue does not make the issue "bullshit".....

PS...try not to use crude language it is offensive to some and does nothing to prove a point inteligently

Is it correct to say someone is correct about Gore or is that just being politically incorrect ? :frusty:

We should be really worried if this co2 hype is turning out to be totally untrue.

That will result in some serious bullshit.

Or am i being too crude now :wacko:

bullshit adds to co2 :)

both bullshit and co2 makes the trees grow nicely. guess its back to baning smoking. another nazi al gore idea

latest on yahoo news site:

The global climate scientists are particularly interested in learning exactly how efficient plants are at absorbing carbon dioxide (CO2). Scientists have discovered that there isn't as much CO2 in the atmosphere as they think there should be based on carbon emissions. It's going somewhere: either in the ocean or absorbed by plants, she said. Combining a massive amount of data that is already being collected around the globe about forests and trees and analyzing it might help them figure it out, she said.

just say no to al gore's diet program. that is you use less or none while he uses alrger amounts to include yours.

[jalaffa]

I have to disagree with you on this issue. Al Gore has pointed out a problem that needs to be solved. So far nothing has been done. They've come to an agreement that something will be agreed upon in 2009.

[dock98]

gore is a dip shit. a judge found so many errors in his global warming theory.i think it was all political bullshit.

You are correct about Gore...he is using the issue for his own political and monetary gains...But...the issue is still something you should be worried about...just because a "dip shit" is siding with a specific issue does not make the issue "bullshit".....

PS...try not to use crude language it is offensive to some and does nothing to prove a point inteligently

Is it correct to say someone is correct about Gore or is that just being politically incorrect ? :cheers:

We should be really worried if this co2 hype is turning out to be totally untrue.

That will result in some serious bullshit.

Or am i being too crude now :wacko:

bullshit adds to co2 :nono:

i thought crude language was not necessary."PS...try not to use crude language it is offensive to some and does nothing to prove a point intelligently"

all of us use it now and then.