nsane.forums Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Nintendo reports that a Web server for its U.S. unit was hacked. The attack on Nintendo shows that this new era of hacking isn't going to end any time soon, and should serve as a wakeup call for other companies that were hoping this was purely a Sony issue. To be fair, the Nintendo incident is nothing compared to the Sony debacle. It's like comparing the United States "invasion" of Grenada, with the United States bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. While Sony has been hacked repeatedly for the past month--compromising sensitive information from more than 100 million user accounts in the process, the Nintendo hack appears to have yielded a simple server configuration file, and not exposed any sensitive data. Hackers continue to take down networks for hacktivism bragging rights. The current plague of hacks and network takedowns is not limited to game console vendors, nor is it limited to one hacking collective. LulzSec is dominating headlines right now after attacking PBS, the FBI, hacker magazine 2600, and now Nintendo, but there are other groups out there as well--like the notorious Anonymous. 2600 seems to have nailed it on the head when it tweeted, "Hacked websites, corporate infiltration/scandal, IRC wars, new hacker groups making global headlines - the 1990s are back!" Yes. That seems to sum things up. Granted, the vast majority of these attacks are driven by "hacktivism"--a pseudo-noble attempt to stand up for an issue and make a statement. But, there is a fine, fine line between that "Robin Hood complex" vigilantism, and just being a cyber thug. The problem with hacktivism is that there are hackers representing both sides. While hacker groups battle it out online for bragging rights, innocent users are caught in the crossfire. I can sympathize with some of the hacktivist causes, but regardless of my opinion of Sony, or any other organization, I can't condone or support exposing sensitive information of users, or even interrupting services that those users have paid for and enjoy using. While malware has evolved from script kiddies in search of bragging rights to organized crime in search of money, hacktivism is bringing back the "Wild West" days of the Internet. The thing is, hacktivism is just hacking--it's easy to rationalize by making it about trying to stand up for an issue or make some sort of statement, but really the only statement it makes is "look how great I am--I got in to your network." The days of " " are back. Watch your back Xbox Live, you're probably next as some group attempts to "outdo" LulzSec. View: Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrocious Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Hacktivism by taking down Nintendo and SONY game systems isn't really thought through all that well. More fuel to the fire for the governments to shut down the internet and bring in their controlled version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasasule Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 they cant shutdown the internet,it is going to cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeMasteR Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Hacktivism by taking down Nintendo and SONY game systems isn't really thought through all that well. More fuel to the fire for the governments to shut down the internet and bring in their controlled version.lol, that will never happen, never ever. Maybe in the crazy United States but not in Europe.We don`t want that governments have control about our internet, who cares about Sonyand Nintendo, that is their problem, not the problem of any government. And if you readabout Sony`s mistakes, they deserve more like that what happened in the past. They don`t care about their customers and their security (or data protection) but that is nowtoo off-topic. ^^Anyway, good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4C Fantasy Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 sony cares alot about their costumers and the welcome back package is proof of that, i was able to get al l5 games for free ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Maybe that is one view.. maybe you bought the new security package? and really how much are they out on this again. the free games... but what about caring enough about the security of those customers data.. They only put something together to get the money and the sale.. Who cares about security.. who cares about anything but money.. like taking a multi-million dollar lawsuit to the door of a 15 year old guy.. who snapped that security in half like a twig... Meanwhile they decided to leave there @SS wide open... to be taken down... and laying open the whole field as a shooting range.. Did they learn from the first warning.. NO.. the second.. NO.. the third.. fourth... How many times again... with no concern.. not even an inquiry into the problem.. or an assessment? What did it take to change it?It is just like the music industry... They choose not change... they try to minimalize their investment to look profitable to get Stock Prices up.. gouging the market keeping it or the rich.. Trying to pull something from nothing with no product produced and from running numbers.. while in fact they put nothing but money into lawyers who will make them money.. They are not investing in the futures of people, nor themselves.. Anything they do is only to make more money.. not to progress.. and they will be as aggressive as possible.. That is their only concern..For businesses to go online..I would think that a set of compliant rule, and regulations would need to be set forth before they could even manifest a presence with any service.. Doing so would protect the consumers... Those of us who have used the Internet and existing methods of for years the same way..AND it would protect these ' industries ' , and connected affiliates as well.. Nobody does that anymore.. and yes with imprisonment of information, intellectual properties, economic failure and redundant stupidity a loss of all investment intrinsically will occur.. You can't squeeze blood from thin air... and it is not a supposed loss ( which is nothing more than conjecture backed with 0 factual ) that is to blame for this situation.. Somehow they think they are untouched by the domino effect of all of these things... I could keep going.. LOL... it writes itself... I swear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4C Fantasy Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Maybe that is one view.. maybe you bought the new security package? and really how much are they out on this again. the free games... but what about caring enough about the security of those customers data.. They only put something together to get the money and the sale.. Who cares about security.. who cares about anything but money.. like taking a multi-million dollar lawsuit to the door of a 15 year old guy.. who snapped that security in half like a twig... Meanwhile they decided to leave there @SS wide open... to be taken down... and laying open the whole field as a shooting range.. Did they learn from the first warning.. NO.. the second.. NO.. the third.. fourth... How many times again... with no concern.. not even an inquiry into the problem.. or an assessment? What did it take to change it?It is just like the music industry... They choose not change... they try to minimalize their investment to look profitable to get Stock Prices up.. gouging the market keeping it or the rich.. Trying to pull something from nothing with no product produced and from running numbers.. while in fact they put nothing but money into lawyers who will make them money.. They are not investing in the futures of people, nor themselves.. Anything they do is only to make more money.. not to progress.. and they will be as aggressive as possible.. That is their only concern..For businesses to go online..I would think that a set of compliant rule, and regulations would need to be set forth before they could even manifest a presence with any service.. Doing so would protect the consumers... Those of us who have used the Internet and existing methods of for years the same way..AND it would protect these ' industries ' , and connected affiliates as well.. Nobody does that anymore.. and yes with imprisonment of information, intellectual properties, economic failure and redundant stupidity a loss of all investment intrinsically will occur.. You can't squeeze blood from thin air... and it is not a supposed loss ( which is nothing more than conjecture backed with 0 factual ) that is to blame for this situation.. Somehow they think they are untouched by the domino effect of all of these things... I could keep going.. LOL... it writes itself... I swear...yes keep writing since most of it is false anyways sony has done everythign that they could do -.- they are offering 1 million dollars of security to EVERY customer you retard, so it doesnt matter if anyones data was stolen the identity theft protection covers it haha :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Okay well I am so glad you feel such an interpersonal connection to a global corporation... and the name calling helps you as well... None of its false.. THIS IS BUSINESS.. it is what people do who work there everyday... Get a job in any corporation and tell me what it s all about... Take a college course along those lines... They are trying to be responsible after the fact instead of having it secured to begin with... They have a duty to take care of that first and foremost... That many professionals in a building.. and your telling me they can't pay for or write a website and services in a secure manner?Maybe I should wait until after my door gets kicked and my children shot to find a way to protect myself... <--- Being a metaphorical example... By the way you waste space quoting something I said.. SONY deserves to be exposed for not addressing the problem.. That's proven and nobody can deny that.. What's been done to GeoHot .. isn't right either.. especially since these things have always been done... and now with Copyright hype and it in itself becoming a multi-million dollar industry itself... They decided to jump on the band-wagon...Those are my ideals, my views.. They are there because of what I know and my experience.. I don't care if anyone likes it.. bottom line... but prove those things otherwise with factual information... and my adjust it... the rest.. a waste.. -_-.. and I guess you have no idea how encompassing that information can be ... BUT I guess since you don't care.. Let me have your social security number, your driver's license number, your full name, home address, screen names, credit card and banking information.. regardless of what I may do with them.. oh and I forgot your email addresses and phone numbers, place of business.... get my point.. When I get done you tell me if your coverage has it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4C Fantasy Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Okay well I am so glad you feel such an interpersonal connection to a global corporation... and the name calling helps you as well... None of its false.. THIS IS BUSINESS.. it is what people do who work there everyday... Get a job in any corporation and tell me what it s all about... Take a college course along those lines... They are trying to be responsible after the fact instead of having it secured to begin with... They have a duty to take care of that first and foremost... That many professionals in a building.. and your telling me they can't pay for or write a website and services in a secure manner?Maybe I should wait until after my door gets kicked and my children shot to find a way to protect myself... <--- Being a metaphorical example... By the way you waste space quoting something I said.. SONY deserves to be exposed for not addressing the problem.. That's proven and nobody can deny that.. What's been done to GeoHot .. isn't right either.. especially since these things have always been done... and now with Copyright hype and it in itself becoming a multi-million dollar industry itself... They decided to jump on the band-wagon...Those are my ideals, my views.. They are there because of what I know and my experience.. I don't care if anyone likes it.. bottom line... but prove those things otherwise with factual information... and my adjust it... the rest.. a waste.. -_-.. and I guess you have no idea how encompassing that information can be ... BUT I guess since you don't care.. Let me have your social security number, your driver's license number, your full name, home address, screen names, credit card and banking information.. regardless of what I may do with them.. oh and I forgot your email addresses and phone numbers, place of business.... get my point.. When I get done you tell me if your coverage has it...lol all that information was not exposed :P you don't know anything about sony and how they operate, first of all there was not that much information you could have obtained by them in the hack only your credit card number and name email address too but not your email password and other passwords besides psn pass thats IT nothing more and its being secured by the identity theft protection, your words don't mean anything sony is doing what they can and now have the best ps3 online protection in existiance because of it the other sony sites are getting hacked but as we speak ps3 is unhackable with its security in the future it wont be but right now it would be impossible to hack those servers againand to your personal experiance? obviously you have none since you dont know exactly what was hacked hahaand 1 more thing sony hasnt failed as a business either since their sales are still growing... hows that for factual proof, you are right if you want to talk justice... but you are 100% wrong when it comes down to the plain facts, and the fact is sony is recovering from this fine and there is nothing you can do about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 and to your personal experiance? obviously you have none since you dont know exactly what was hacked hahaFirst.. you obviously are behind in news.. WAY behind... Second, would you like to see my credentials .. Or would you like a resume'.. along with the years of study and my background... BUSINESS is BUSINESS.. If they are not doing these things then they would be a failure.. besides that look at how the platform is made now... the whole experience is based on buying parts of a game you have already purchased.. and it is a never ending struggle to do so.. and there simply is no ceiling to that type of thing.. it's the first thing you learn... Your opinion again is a waste and dissociative to anything on the table.. its inefficient... and only appeals to the media whore... but they love to read it and generates 'interest' as they call it.. Much like the free publicity and marketing this thing has gotten..Don't get me wrong if I had the money I would have already owned a PS3 as its the only gaming platform I really ever got into .. since PS1's hit the retail floor.. That and my love Gran Turismo... but times change and some aspects I simply see as an inconvenient problem.. which changes the experience.. while expansive in the eyes of some... and having great possibilities.. also creates another problem.. or downside.. one of which has raised the price of gaming.. full circle..lol all that information was not exposed :P you don't know anything about sony and how they operate, first of all there was not that much information you could have obtained by them in the hack only .....Again.. informational news and data point here... AND I refuse to spend three hours amassing enough articles to make your head swim about these things.. Have you not ever bought anything online? Had it shipped to your house.. Your thinking like a teenager who only has one point of interest involved.. and its their little PSN account.. Yeah, I had one too.. Politically speaking your a prime example of how a company downplays collateral damage to move on with as little loss as possible.....as we speak ps3 is unhackable with its security in the...I bolded the point I would like to make... That is a rel problem to hard core gamers who have been dropping in chips.. and expanding their consoles how they want for 10-20 years... Its a f*cking brick ... Now what does this mean for the average little retail gamer who's parents are simply going to buy all of these things for them and those of us who complete entire games in three days? Front to back... Hmm.. and what will it mean for the companies bottom line.. both negative an positive? Is it really a console for the hard core gamer? :dunno: Does it lend itself to BE modified and various things done which is cool to us gamers? hmm.. Where the gamers and how they use these devices the main focus? :dunno:and 1 more thing sony hasnt failed as a business either since their sales are still growing...SONY.. fail.. I don't see that typed anywhere in the quotation... again relative to a business standpoint I said that is what they do.. ( the things I mentioned ).. You seem to read that as a bad or in a negative psychological connotation... But in truth the point here is do they care about what the gamers want... and need out of a console... Is it a platform which can be as dynamic as the customer? Is it really about :wub: caring :wub: .. some emotional attachment there maybe? ( don't worry I used to love my console too.. ) The steps the business has taken speaks for themselves.. If you can't follow those changes.. you are not very aware of the factors to watch or the signs of it... Like when you suddenly have to start paying for a free email service or lose it all together...but you are 100% wrong when it comes down to the plain facts, and the fact is sony is recovering from this fine and there is nothing you can do about it...Lastly I challenge you to simply browse th Internet for article related to all of the sites, and platforms which have been hacked thus far.. for yourself if only.. I am not going to start pasting pages here on the site unless I am getting a promotion and Staff rating.. or become a PHP Bot...And really .. I hope with all my heart for all of the gamers, teens and trolls alike who use PSN and have bought items from them in the past... ( Yes me as well ) That they do get it under control... I am not trying to hinder one action by that company... to fix anything.. Like I said before its simply a statement about what I see know and my experience... Really even waste my time with a retort to any of it.. but it would seem you yourself are the one n desperate need of information.. and grasp on the reality of it.. Some would say the same exact thing of the situation with GeoHot.. what in this world would keep a balance.. would keep things at the place of equilibrium where it belongs? Where is it going to start and stop with businesses and corporations being able to take our freedoms away from us as we purchase items, which we are to own - and do what we want with them? Unless I use a Lease plan.. it's wrong.. ( and bound by action of that contract..That one point I think everyone can agree on.. as well as being targeted for having the ability to succeed and move forward.. ( like seeing the whole in something, the problem and being able to eventually even create a better solution ) For not being one of the stupid masses .. like herds of cows in the retail store.. buying their way to their imprisonment.. Being smart enough to escape that.. having the ingenuity to create by one's self.. facilitating that process.. it all should be.. This all says you have no choice but to conform because we have decided to start charging people for something that WE don't own to begin with.. I mean if someone is going to buy out a monopoly on the human right to share with another human.. being .. or to experiment, change. alter, modify... I want my pockets FULLL... otherwise they can kiss my @ss... If they didn't want this then they should have never came to this market ( the WWW.. Interwebz.. w/e ) to begin with and left it to the hands of the people where it f*cking belonged... Instead they step to it.. unsecured, unprepared.. Doing things the same way and scooping things up which were already in place like a Dozer...without putting any real effort to move forward with any part of that industry.. the artist involved, the media in which it is offered... the developers out there.. nor with any regard to those people which have sent individuals back to them for years... Again... is something we can agree on.. do I need to keep repeating that you should take a look at the news and consider the whole picture.. These events should not have occurred. Hoorah for them cleaning up the dead bodies.. 'till the next episode.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted June 6, 2011 Administrator Share Posted June 6, 2011 Please guys keep it cool and avoid any insults and profanity. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeMasteR Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 sony cares alot about their costumers and the welcome back package is proof of that, i was able to get al l5 games for free ^^They catched you with their cheap "welcome back" giveaway. Mahaha, what you`ll want more?But no, i don`t think, that such giveaways will change anything on the facts and they are there.The facts are vulnerabilities, that every server admin with IQ 60 know and handle, what doesSony? Nothing. Do you update your softwares when you read about security holes? Surelyyou do. It is a fact that nobody will have stored his own personal data in the world wide web.NOBODY. Give them away means that you trust the site or the company or the institution yougive those informations about yourself. The other part is the money you can make with suchpersonal data. You think that the stolen data of Sony is useless as it is? Surely not. But whyexplaining that. Maybe everybody without fanboying in such situations will understand that(not that you do so).The facts:-unpatched/not updated server software-5 years old vulnerabilities (Veritas)-Sony stuck on OpenSSH v4.4 (newest version is 5.7)-Apache httpd 2.2.10 (newest version is 2.2.17)What about the lies like "nope, no hack attack recognized", some days later "we`re f*9%ed!"That`s the funniest part of it. :D They got no balls to stand for their incompetence, mistakesand if the hack wasn`t such a big success, Sony tried to sweep that under the carpet but you could read about all that on many different sites a long time before Sony comes out with the truth, what a fail.I`m not contra Sony but pro security, that`s all. And that`s what everybody will have today.And more than that i think customers want honesty, so we`re all going to Microsoft now. :lol:Maybe those throwbacks brings Sony to change something on the way they`re doing theirbusiness, maybe all company`s like Sony but maybe not, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HX1 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 @n0_risk! - Apache actually is updated.. 2.2.19 now.. :thumbsup: @DK - yeah I was going to go back.. the profanity wasn't meant harsh... just normal speaking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T4C Fantasy Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 sony is all updated now :P and to the everyone going to microsoft now.. pfft will never happenb ALL my friends on psn still play on psn lol they maybe lost 1% of their entire player base which would still be alot like 600k people but 1% is nothing in terms of just percent.. we wont notice that little online :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted June 6, 2011 Administrator Share Posted June 6, 2011 @HX1: Wasn't aiming at anyone directly, it's for everyone. :)@T4C Fantasy: Nothing is really unhackable (get your point though), even now there would be several vulnerabilities out there, nothing that be 100% secure, and with Sony being so famous in hacking community these day, never know what happens next. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeetPirate Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Sadly even their welcome back package was flawed with security issues. If you were lucky to logon within a few hours after they introduced welcome back package you could select "free game 1" then download ALL of them. ROFL. I didn't bother because those games are shit except dead nation in co-op mode (still no match for L4D2 on steam). If they really wanted to welcome us back they would have given us some good games or a coupon to buy the E3 titles at discounted rates. Not to mention PSN+ offers a load of shit that nobody wants. The only thing good on PSN+ is the cloud storage and the Killzone DLC packs. Their PS3 web browser is still epic fail and the XMB interface is still slow and takes long just to perform a background download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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