Quote From Tony Blair

[dock98]

In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the Anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, he said: "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out."

[LoKz]

Dont get it... lol :) :)

[masterripper]

You don't get it? Ok, heres what he means, everyone wants out of America cause we suck!

[tarverlee]

You don't get it? Ok, heres what he means, everyone wants out of America cause we suck!

No it seems that you don't get it guy. Everyone wants in America and no one wants out. If a person does want out, all he or she has to do is leave. It's that simple. And if you think we suck then you need to LEAVE! Why live in a place that you think SUCKS if you don't have to? Think long and hard before you answer that.

[dock98]

You don't get it? Ok, heres what he means, everyone wants out of America cause we suck!

No it seems that you don't get it guy. Everyone wants in America and no one wants out. If a person does want out, all he or she has to do is leave. It's that simple. And if you think we suck then you need to LEAVE! Why live in a place that you think SUCKS if you don't have to? Think long and hard before you answer that.

ditto for me.why dont you pick a place and move instead of spreading your hate mongering shit.your not even old enough to know what other presidents did.you just want to be with the little candy ass draft dodgers so everybody will think your popular.i bet your mom & dads proud of you.

[LoKz]

We suck lol yeah pretty much LMAO

[dock98]

We suck lol yeah pretty much LMAO

then why dont you leave.

[LoKz]

B-cus i dont feel like leaving :rockon: freedom of speech thank you verry much my friend :) but im just saing.. i have family thats in IRAQ right now so know. Also just bush should pull out of IRAQ lol "pull out" funny :rofl: we have the dumbest pressident ever LOL :bong:

[tarverlee]

B-cus i dont feel like leaving :P freedom of speech thank you verry much my friend :think: but im just saing.. i have family thats in IRAQ right now so know. Also just bush should pull out of IRAQ lol "pull out" funny :D we have the dumbest pressident ever LOL :bong:

Oh my are you kidding me. The ONLY reason you have freedom of speech is because of what we are doing in places like Iraq. If you were in most 3rd world countries and said what you did in the last post you would be shot or beheaded if not worse.

[dock98]

B-cus i dont feel like leaving :P freedom of speech thank you verry much my friend :think: but im just saing.. i have family thats in IRAQ right now so know. Also just bush should pull out of IRAQ lol "pull out" funny :D we have the dumbest pressident ever LOL :bong:

what do you expect from a chimpanzee with a pistol.

[Zeus_Hunt]

Hot Topic...

I wonder what US is doing to make so many ppl hate it.

But ppl in US should consider them lucky in many ways for the infrastructure and quality of life..

One should read an earlier post by Dock Here (Jay Leno)

[dock98]

Hot Topic...

I wonder what US is doing to make so many ppl hate it.

But ppl in US should consider them lucky in many ways for the infrastructure and quality of life..

One should read an earlier post by Dock Here (Jay Leno)

well said z.

[nsane]

yeah, that was a good read, some of it i've been saying for years...

another thing people over look with the troops serving in Iraq is that 95% VOLUNTEERED to return for their 3rd-4th tours (when they could have came home after their 1st). so why should we "pull out all the troops" when the majority of them don't want to leave -- it makes no sense :)

a friend of mine is a computer analyst in the private sector and he tells me all the time how the soldiers over there are getting tired of all this bureaucratical bullshit. they're proud of what they're doing over there, and we need to support them rather than bitching and whining about something you know nothing about (and neither does the media for that matter) ;)

edit: and just for reference, the invasion of Iraq was NOT illegal. seeing as the president used the Marines, which are under his command... not congress... so he didn't need permission to do what he did ;)

[myidisbb]

USA not doing anything to cause it. you just all haters. usually its about escape goating and blaming an outside force for their internal problem. ei iran.

those nations also have zero freedoms of speech of any kind.

any nation could have the same quality of life as usa, and japan. most just dont want to do it. cost money to fix it.

in middle most of those opec nations never spent a dime to fix and upgrade the oil infrastructure after they stoled the business from companies.

and the places around the world that did allow companies to come in and fix their various infrastructure had it stolen right back afterwards.

usa went though its own hell hold long time ago.

real question should be. what is wrong with your nation and people instead. take mexico for example. there is no reason its infrastructure is not world class. they should be an economy superpower. their city should be made out of gold.

one big difference between usa and other countries is the bill of rights. not just words on paper but lived and enforce daily. we had to fight a civil war because of it. we once had people called democrats that did not believe that freedoms and rights where at public and state level. they actually claimed that it was federal level only. they wanted it both haves. state rights over federal bill of rights and federal over states rights for no slavery. thank god we kicked their azz.

oh well talking too much. need to go back to work. take care all and be happy for once. we live in a very interesting world today. everyone needs to have some pride in their own nation and help fix and keep it running. instead of blaming others for ones problems.

[Chicano666]

Illegal or not you know damn well that Iraq should've nevr been invaded in the first place. Don't start babling about how a bad dictator he was because if that was the real reason, then he should'be been ousted back in the 80s (but he was an American ally, so...) BTW, the US does suck, no matter what anybody says, but then again...who doesn't? The US is not the perfect country but neither are any of the other ones. They all have some sort of flaw, its just nature. Oh, and to the one who said we don't know about what other presidents did for us in the past, indeed, some did good things, but you must remember that did some horrible stuff as well.

everyone needs to have some pride in their own nation and help fix and keep it running. instead of blaming others for ones problems.

I certainly agree, but the media is successfully implating fear on the population. Blaming things on blacks, "illegals" (which technically the "American" are too) and no one takes responsibilty.

[LoKz]

Ohh man this turned out to be a big topic :notworthy: cus Mr Yosemite Sam lol had to say something its all good well said people :frusty:

[nsane]

so you admit it then, Saddam should have been thrown out of office a long time ago. so what does it matter then if we took 20 years to do it? sounds like something you should be complaing to Bush Sr. about, not Jr. on why he did do it...

tell that to the families that were tormented day after day by their government. tell it to the families that were murdered and stored in warehouses as a warning sign to the surrounding villages. tell it to the mothers, daughters, sisters and wives that were raped and/or murdered to force the male in the family into war. he was a war criminal, plain and simple...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

[LoKz]

Well saddam was a bad person he did some bad things... and now we are moving into Iran and Korea also Benezuela lol

[Zeus_Hunt]

so you admit it then, Saddam should have been thrown out of office a long time ago. so what does it matter then if we took 20 years to do it? sounds like something you should be complaing to Bush Sr. about, not Jr. on why he did do it...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

Its always self interest. Selfish reasons.

No one spends money time and human lives for a good cause nowadays.. Governements that is.

It was self interest that made Iraq and ally 20 years back. Its self interest that the same country, the same man bcame a threat now.

It does not just apply to US.. Almost every country (powerfull country that is)

More the power more is the interference.

France UK Germany Russia China all look for their interest. They dont mind twisting arms to get what they want.

Countries like Japan Korea (South) Portugal ... are countries that make so little political news

I prefer these countries.. all involved in their own work.

tell that to the families that were tormented day after day by their government. tell it to the families that were murdered and stored in warehouses as a warning sign to the surrounding villages. tell it to the mothers, daughters, sisters and wives that were raped and/or murdered to force the male in the family into war. he was a war criminal, plain and simple...

I have always wondered what was more bad then or now.

I guess only ppl living there would know that answer.

I wonder if they prefer the fear then or the chaos now.

[WaveRider]

The United States of America does not suck, it’s a complex society derived from many different cultures around the World, which compared in size the USA does a pretty good job maintaining some kind of order. There seem to be tribes which in relation to “freedom of speech” is not an issue at all; don’t pretend having wisdom from inexperienced knowledge (it’s one of our biggest weakness, turn off the propaganda playing with your emotions).

edit: and just for reference, the invasion of Iraq was NOT illegal. seeing as the president used the Marines, which are under his command... not congress... so he didn't need permission to do what he did

AFAIK, unless Iraq is a city from the US or part of its territories, then you might be referring to the USA Constitution (anyone interested can read Article Two - Section Two "Presidential Power", and Title 50 - Chapter 33 “War Powers Resolution”). BTW, do we actually need to say just because in a paper reads… there’s a differences about following individuals or groups dictating opinions, than having a logical principal about unnecessary pain (whether is mental, physical or to the environment), the text can serve as a reminder.

Myidisbb you saved me some words, every individual (including you & me) can choose genuine progression: caring about others without selfish interests, stop the dictation of our opinions to others, manipulations, and etc… there’s no right or wrong since this’s a dependable World in order to survive! BUT in our good perception or what separate us from the rest of other species, there shouldn’t be excuses to apply wisdom which can genuinely move us forward no matter our differences (which they may be inherited ignorance, but as individuals we can definitely make different choices). There is no 1st, 2nd or 3rd World, unless is labeled that way (bring the blank label and write whatever you desire), like many other things, our perception, our “Ego-System”. People from milenias had fled to other lands from injustices, but where’s the lesson learned when they dishonor the pain & suffering from even their own relatives by dictating their opinions to others. Living with past wounds, scars, and etc… can lead us to a revenge circle, even on the political arena when it comes to the Political Revenge System, this is unfortunately another global challenge hurting their own Countries and policies that can hurt abroad, which BTW biggest gratitude for those who actually do their jobs (wondering if they’re the minority). I wish people voted for who has the skills & intelligence, instead of who looks like: me, our group, or makes me feel better (is bigger than our own bubble). Armed forces follow their commands, a lot of people get hurt even before their nations are attacked or their interests, e.g. soldiers in Japan & Germany were following their patriotic orders even before other nations were involved. I do understand an individual/group defending them selves, but actually there’re roots which can be resolve locally by not joining the people who create such conditions. I also understand sometimes we want to kick some ass, but these old instincts can make matters worse, and the reality in Iraq, unfortunately it will take more time so they can recover from the damages. Take care of your Country before it negatively affects others. I’m damn responsibly for my own decisions, and just because a friend/relative say I didn’t do anything wrong, it may not be the fact at all, it’s a circle which won’t brake without understanding our behavior. No hostility towards our fellow being differences makes our shit even smell better. Our ancestor’s instincts which made them survive and others go cannot be the same old solution, unless we only want to justify our feelings and selfishly carry on. I hope there will be a generation\majority who will understand this better than us and actually have a positive effect not just locally (in you nation), but most important abroad, make it fair, because a relationship is not about one person or group, and definitely our survival may depend of a global cooperation (understanding the problem, not just because of selfishness). Patriotism probably is shown from the hardest working, humble people in a Country, not self named, but defined by others as Patriots.

In conclusion, if we don’t apply the knowledge which leads to genuine progression (the lessons are there…), then it actually sucks, is just about our Ego-system. I’m proud of anyone who affects others in a positive way, not matter how different or where are they from; there’s no words to compare about what we can genuinely do. :)

[LoKz]

Omg.. who is gonna take time to read all that lol :)