Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Hi guys, just bought a Dell Inspiron 1564 4gb i3 2.26ghz with an ATI HD 512mb running win7 home premium x64. Im just wondering (before I get it out of the box and tidy up my desktop before I hand it down to the wife) is there anything I need to know running a 64 bit machine opposed to a 32 bit as this is my first one! I understand about the architecture etc just wondering if there were any basic principals etc I should be aware of??? many thanks in advance!!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 try not to install to many freware apps-1 despite saying so- they fail miserablyas for architecture, there is two ways: one dealing as per personal preferences and dealing with everything as per M$..I prefer latter!-2do not get exited! after a while you might find ever so many no x64 apps or alternatives- startinf running it on x32 will defeat the subject...-3 use it at another/specific PCdo not! do not! disable system restore!!!!!- 4 I#ll be gob-smacked if very soon you will not need one-4 and I have found it being effective life saviorPS I went back to x32- dont believe in going x64 soon, but it wasn't bad! weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 hmm ok cheers for that, however I favour acronis opposed to sys restore, oh sh*t if thats x64?? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 hmm ok cheers for that, however I favour acronis opposed to sys restore, oh sh*t if thats x64?? lolSeriously dude!use Acronis or else, but in x64 restore takes half of time of x32 and always was good ! (in my case)one more (-6) thingy- some browsers, and especially plug inns- phail... got to be working for it's likes or not, and finding x32 apps taking over.... IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 Re Acronis was that a yay or nay?? re browsers yeah I hear ya, I gotta wait till next christmas by the looks of it till ff 4 finally comes out to use that!!! dunno what im gonna do in meant time looks like ie eeek (not used that in yrs!!)think there is an addon for ff that allows x32 addons to work within x64 but as yet ive yet to test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Sys restore- yay!!!Acronis as back up- yay!Browsers.. I'd say FF add ons- 33% no go... unless another one, to manage addons...Basicly it aren't bad- just quite a bit different in my experience- got to treat it as ie Apple! you can, get to use most well, but certain (sometimes appears big), but sacrificies have to be made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 your slowly dashing my expectations don't wanna get it out of box now :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 your slowly dashing my expectations don't wanna get it out of box now :(Sorry!at the end of day- you got capable hardware and no real barriers to get to x32- give it a shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mara- Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm not sure what's going on here, I guess bad English prevents me to understand this conversation, no offense.On the topic, there is nothing special you need to know. If there is x64 version of program use it, if not use x86 (this is the term for 32-bit), except for browsers. Use x86 here. x64 runs much better for me, it's somehow more stable.Cheers ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 So I can run 32 bit aswell as 64 bit on a 64 bit machine?@atasas I was only kiddin m8 i'll get over it ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 the bloke wants to "do up" a pc in x64 for wife's use... dont see aprob!just saying minor annoyancies will come to the point, that x32 apps are going to be dominant (despite x64 sys)...unwillingly I got him too much double hearted even before he had open it! :sorry:it is no biggy, I think and wife will no no different apart from more'er dissatisfied requests to him...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 So I can run 32 bit aswell as 64 bit on a 64 bit machine?@atasas I was only kiddin m8 i'll get over it ;):phew:^totally!^just a matter of subject of x64 ending up being defeated.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 Noooooooooooo Ata, sorry it maybe my fault, the specs I quoted are for a new laptop ive just bought but yet to unbox it, the reference about the mrs was im currently cleaning my desktop up to give her no change there just a dual core 32bit, in cleanin up I mean removin unessessary software on it etc etc (porn n the like lol, joke)well ive learnt that I can still run 32 bit on an x64 machine (which I dint know!) so that one thing!just a matter of subject of x64 ending up being defeated.... I hear ya Ata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Noooooooooooo Ata, sorry it maybe my fault, the specs I quoted are for a new laptop ive just bought but yet to unbox it, the reference about the mrs was im currently cleaning my desktop up to give her no change there just a dual core 32bit, in cleanin up I mean removin unessessary software on it etc etc (porn n the like lol, joke)well ive learnt that I can still run 32 bit on an x64 machine (which I dint know!) so that one thing!just a matter of subject of x64 ending up being defeated.... I hear ya AtaOK, just get yourself GTA or something then, dont even waste your time then my advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted January 12, 2011 Administrator Share Posted January 12, 2011 LOL Atasas. You've frighten him of 64bit. :PDon't worry mate. 64bit is better than 32bit in many ways, especially security and other enhancements. Lite posted a article on many things 64bit has that 32bit doesn't. Quite of important ones. 32bit cannot take more than 3.3GB RAM, and you've got 4GB. So thinking about using a 32bit OS wont help. So I don't wanna get in the argument which is better.As for apps, use as many and whatever you want as long as they aren't cleaners or tweakers etc. The trusted ones are good though. All the Firefox addons should work, whether you have 32bit or 64bit, the addons with exe installers wont though. Not to forget, there'll be no 64bit Firefox when 4.0 releases. It will release somewhere in future.As I've mentioned, about 90% of normal 32bit softwares would work on 64bit, opening the task manager and in processes tab, will tell you whether the software is 32bit or 64bit. Infact, I haven't yet found a 32bit program that I cannot run. The installers will install 64bit softwares in Program Files. And 32bit will install in Program Files (x32). You can change where you want to install it if you want.Only problem arises is the drivers and security softwares. But the good thing is, most of the AVs have a 64bit version and with the "new" laptop you have, you wont face a driver problem.You know about 46% of Windows 7 users are 64bit users? I'm using it from more than 9 months now. Was worried at start, but later, I've never regretted. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 DK thanks for that, much appreciated!!!@Ata... what??? I was listening to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 DK thanks for that, much appreciated!!!@Ata... what??? I was listening to you!still on a same line- x64 has got some advantages... never truly learn t any myself, but it still will work/accept your x32 installations, you'll end up with 15% apps on x64 and since exposed vulnerabilities of x32... whats the point? get a x32 ultimate- no probs! BTW x32 support of RAM size- myth- all depends on mobo and you might encounter 0 probs there (as well as much lessef OS power/resource consumption! (whilst x64 runs apps in x32 apps- it uses core emulation, basically same or even more resources as what actual x32 does) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted January 12, 2011 Administrator Share Posted January 12, 2011 @Atasas: 32bit cannot address more than 3.3GB RAM. Only a tweak can make it do it but has been known that those tweaks only show that it addresses more than 3.3GB RAM, but in real, it doesn't. I've read many honorable reviewers mentioning this. Some say it's M$ business model, but I don't understand as they sell both 32bit and 64bit together in one box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 LOL Atasas. You've frighten him of 64bit. :PDon't worry mate. 64bit is better than 32bit in many ways, especially security and other enhancements. Lite posted a article on many things 64bit has that 32bit doesn't. Quite of important ones. 32bit cannot take more than 3.3GB RAM, and you've got 4GB. So thinking about using a 32bit OS wont help. So I don't wanna get in the argument which is better.As for apps, use as many and whatever you want as long as they aren't cleaners or tweakers etc. The trusted ones are good though. All the Firefox addons should work, whether you have 32bit or 64bit, the addons with exe installers wont though. Not to forget, there'll be no 64bit Firefox when 4.0 releases. It will release somewhere in future.As I've mentioned, about 90% of normal 32bit softwares would work on 64bit, opening the task manager and in processes tab, will tell you whether the software is 32bit or 64bit. Infact, I haven't yet found a 32bit program that I cannot run. The installers will install 64bit softwares in Program Files. And 32bit will install in Program Files (x32). You can change where you want to install it if you want.Only problem arises is the drivers and security softwares. But the good thing is, most of the AVs have a 64bit version and with the "new" laptop you have, you wont face a driver problem.You know about 46% of Windows 7 users are 64bit users? I'm using it from more than 9 months now. Was worried at start, but later, I've never regretted. ^_^Different experience= best advice possibleI do have a nag- once something annoys me (ie x64) it takes hell a persuading for me to change/accept other ways... my x64 experience was not that great (depends on a hardware, I believe), so result could be misleading, but I dont have no probs as the way it is x32 configuration... I'll use that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 @Atasas: 32bit cannot address more than 3.3GB RAM. Only a tweak can make it do it but has been known that those tweaks only show that it addresses more than 3.3GB RAM, but in real, it doesn't. I've read many honorable reviewers mentioning this. Some say it's M$ business model, but I don't understand as they sell both 32bit and 64bit together in one box.I do admit, as what I said about 4gb RAM is more of a assumption, that practical experience... never had a sys with more than 2.4RAMhowever, lets not get it wrong as what happens if more that 2gb RAM- it does not get recognized- but absolutely last issue it doesn't re'boot...whilst it would reboot- no probs! it might say whatever size(I think it would say max of 3.5gb)- but it would operate just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 The following table specifies the limits on physical memory for Windows 7. VersionLimit on X86Limit on X64 Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Enterprise 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB 8 GB Windows 7 Starter 2 GB 2 GBb*llox... meant to look like this http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted January 12, 2011 Administrator Share Posted January 12, 2011 @Atasas: 32bit cannot address more than 3.3GB RAM. Only a tweak can make it do it but has been known that those tweaks only show that it addresses more than 3.3GB RAM, but in real, it doesn't. I've read many honorable reviewers mentioning this. Some say it's M$ business model, but I don't understand as they sell both 32bit and 64bit together in one box.I do admit, as what I said about 4gb RAM is more of a assumption, that practical experience... never had a sys with more than 2.4RAMhowever, lets not get it wrong as what happens if more that 2gb RAM- it does not get recognized- but absolutely last issue it doesn't re'boot...whilst it would reboot- no probs! it might say whatever size(I think it would say max of 3.5gb)- but it would operate just fine.Yeah. That's right. Having running 32bit on a 4GB RAM wont cause any problems that I know of. Will boot and run quite fine. :) Only the 0.7GB wont be used. I got to say though, my 2GB has gone for repair due to burn, would have to buy a new one I guess. So running my 64bit on just 2GB. And it isn't as pleasant as I would like. Just a few slow downs though, nothing else.@Alpha1BAD: What version of Windows 7 will you have Home basic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atasas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 The following table specifies the limits on physical memory for Windows 7. VersionLimit on X86Limit on X64 Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Enterprise 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB 8 GB Windows 7 Starter 2 GB 2 GBb*llox... meant to look like this http://msdn.microsof...v=vs.85%29.aspx limits on physical memory for Windows 7- thus is what it says limits on physical memory for Windows 7, not capability of account for RAM size... basicly remainder of what is not rcognisible will be redundant imeadiate space usage waste@Atasas: 32bit cannot address more than 3.3GB RAM. Only a tweak can make it do it but has been known that those tweaks only show that it addresses more than 3.3GB RAM, but in real, it doesn't. I've read many honorable reviewers mentioning this. Some say it's M$ business model, but I don't understand as they sell both 32bit and 64bit together in one box.I do admit, as what I said about 4gb RAM is more of a assumption, that practical experience... never had a sys with more than 2.4RAMhowever, lets not get it wrong as what happens if more that 2gb RAM- it does not get recognized- but absolutely last issue it doesn't re'boot...whilst it would reboot- no probs! it might say whatever size(I think it would say max of 3.5gb)- but it would operate just fine.Yeah. That's right. Having running 32bit on a 4GB RAM wont cause any problems that I know of. Will boot and run quite fine. :) Only the 0.7GB wont be used. I got to say though, my 2GB has gone for repair due to burn, would have to buy a new one I guess. So running my 64bit on just 2GB. And it isn't as pleasant as I would like. Just a few slow downs though, nothing else.@Alpha1BAD: What version of Windows 7 will you have Home basic?Yup!- we agree! (not disagreed earlier anw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 Home Premium is installed and partioned recovery etc however I do like most here I presume have Ultimate thx to Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1BA Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 would a 32bit v of bufferzone virtualise a 64 bit program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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