We might have to wait forever for science to show the Covid threat is over, so let’s use our common sense & get back to normal

[dufus]

 

It’s time to stop fetishizing scientific methods. We have to accept that there are many elements of Covid-19 that science may never understand and if we wait for it to do so, we will never again be able to live a normal life.

 

The Covid-19 outbreak is largely over, and man’s attempts to slow, stop or understand the virus have failed. Science will eventually discover more about the pandemic but it is a slow process.

 

Science, if it is working properly, will not come to a conclusion that is wholly wrong. But not everything that is true can be established by a randomized control trial followed by peer review. Take the theory, popularized by Dr John Lee's work in the Spectator, that Covid has become less deadly as it spreads, and is now basically inert.

 

This would perfectly explain why so many people died of Covid-19 in a short period of time, and why deaths have basically flat-lined since April. It fits with many Covid studies confirming fast evolution, different strains and reinfection. Furthermore, a change to the virus itself could explain why the same patterns in deaths have been seen everywhere, irrespective of lockdowns, demographics, contact tracing or any other scheme.

 

In fact, with each passing day it is increasingly probable that the virus has mutated to a milder form. The trouble is it would be nigh on impossible to establish this with the instruments of science, now or any time soon. The vagaries of individual human bodies and microscopic particles are just beyond the scope of exact science.

 

People need to accept this about Covid (and hopefully later, much else) and stop fetishizing the scientific method at times when a bit of common sense would do the job. We are paralysed by a need for the World Health Organization or Public Health England to conjure up some peer-reviewed study or other confirming to 99.9 percent likelihood that we can go back to normal now. That will never happen, but we have to get back to normal.

 

Consider this article, written by three scientific minds. It is a measured and ‘data driven’ analysis of whether Covid is becoming less deadly. But is blinkered by an assumption that only official data, no matter how muddled, can be relied upon. All you really need to do is ask doctors whether they are seeing people come in with Covid, or if they are dying of Covid when they do. Instead it focuses on case numbers, which are not worth the paper they are written on.

 

Here is another paper, co-authored by the brilliant Professor Carl Heneghan of the University of Oxford's Center for Evidence-Based Medicine. He has been tireless in his questioning of the government’s interpretation of coronavirus statistics, although it has taken far too long for him to be given any kind of platform from which to address the public.

 

The study, while no doubt accurate and valuable for establishing fine points of detail, seeks to answer whether the infection fatality ratio has been falling in the UK. A comprehensive review of the limited data suggests that it has, but so what? What does that mean to the average Joe, confused as to whether they should send their child to school in the morning, or whether it would be irresponsible to give their elderly parents a hug?

 

So many people have been so frightened – understandably – by exaggerated accounts of the threat posed by Covid-19, and it will take a lot to persuade them that they have been sold a pup. But they need to be persuaded, so that can get their old lives back. The present regime will never take on this responsibility because it would center on an admission of massive guilt on their part.

 

What is needed now from all sensible people is calm but insistent argument, with friends, relations and authorities alike, for the total abolition of all coronavirus-related restrictions. We saw some of that in London and Berlin over the weekend, and it was fantastic to see such well organized and clear minded dissent against the sinister ‘new normal’.

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[dMog]

The problem, TO 36 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION, COMMON SENSE, IS SOMETHING THEY WILL NEVER ATTAIN. Fact is, even when it given to them they throw it it away and claim it is mind control, or some kind of plot.

[mp68terr]

5 minutes ago, dMog said:

The problem, TO 36 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION, COMMON SENSE, IS SOMETHING THEY WILL NEVER ATTAIN.

Interesting. Where did you get this number from?

As the article in the OP stated, science is a slow process. However, many things have been discovered since the forties, thanks to open minded scientists and a big improvement in technology.

Science is slow because discoveries take time (it has to be checked), and also because science funding is low. 'Publish or perish' leads to poor quality scientific papers where statistics is just a tool where only the 0.05 significance makes it worth (makes it true!). How many scientists are assisted by statisticians? Too few.

[dMog]

Arbitrary percentage picked at random,but yea there is always a group who think science is not real, would you not agree...Case in point there are still people out there that "know for a fact cigarettes are NOT dangerous" and are prepared to give all sorts of false information they believe to be truthful why would that be if  not for the fact  that common sense eludes them.

[Alanon]

1 hour ago, mp68terr said:

As the article in the OP stated, science is a slow process. However, many things have been discovered since the forties, thanks to open minded scientists and a big improvement in technology.

Science is slow because discoveries take time (it has to be checked), and also because science funding is low. 'Publish or perish' leads to poor quality scientific papers where statistics is just a tool where only the 0.05 significance makes it worth (makes it true!). How many scientists are assisted by statisticians? Too few.

 

Correction – good science is slow. The giant leaps of progress that were made in the past – nobody knew anything about most of them even being in the works until all the proper research was done. On the other hand, garbage studies, inflammatory made-to-order research bolstered by massaged statistics is always ready when someone needs it. Regardless of politics or any specific topic, people from all walks of life still believe the statistics, graphs and information offered to them by people they trust, always with the same twist. Sure, confidence in expertise is rapidly eroding along with the quality of experts in any given field, but that's not my guy! My guy is great, it's those other ones that are the real problem! And of course, since all my friends agree that my guy is the good guy, well, best we don't bother with anyone else's opinion. Without conflicting viewpoints in the proper context and an inquisitive and open mind, there is no scientific inquiry, and no proper distinguishing between good and bad science.

 

The global medical research establishment rushed on the COVID thing like a pack of rabid dogs, not caring in the least of the implications of fear mongering, which was largely unsubstantiated and unsupported by scientific evidence, because the WHO failed to collect enough data early on. Notice I said the research establishment, not the poor doctors on the ground that have to live with the consequences of the researchers' projects and divinations. All the while you have a growing population of medical and informational Luddites that believe it's all a globalist plot that won't even take the vaccine the world is waiting for. And can you really blame them? We have all witnessed the dregs of the medical profession coming out of the woodwork making ludicrous statements – like that black baptist pastor/preacher woman and doctor claiming there's a cure for COVID as a medical professional. I wouldn't let her give me a vaccine, and I don't think they're dangerous! The pandemic has exposed the rot in our educational and institutional systems. God knows what will happen when piss-poor engineers at the level of some of these doctors start building our bridges...

[dMog]

38 minutes ago, Alanon said:

 

Correction – good science is slow. The giant leaps of progress that were made in the past – nobody knew anything about most of them even being in the works until all the proper research was done. On the other hand, garbage studies, inflammatory made-to-order research bolstered by massaged statistics is always ready when someone needs it. Regardless of politics or any specific topic, people from all walks of life still believe the statistics, graphs and information offered to them by people they trust, always with the same twist. Sure, confidence in expertise is rapidly eroding along with the quality of experts in any given field, but that's not my guy! My guy is great, it's those other ones that are the real problem! And of course, since all my friends agree that my guy is the good guy, well, best we don't bother with anyone else's opinion. Without conflicting viewpoints in the proper context and an inquisitive and open mind, there is no scientific inquiry, and no proper distinguishing between good and bad science.

 

The global medical research establishment rushed on the COVID thing like a pack of rabid dogs, not caring in the least of the implications of fear mongering, which was largely unsubstantiated and unsupported by scientific evidence, because the WHO failed to collect enough data early on. Notice I said the research establishment, not the poor doctors on the ground that have to live with the consequences of the researchers' projects and divinations. All the while you have a growing population of medical and informational Luddites that believe it's all a globalist plot that won't even take the vaccine the world is waiting for. And can you really blame them? We have all witnessed the dregs of the medical profession coming out of the woodwork making ludicrous statements – like that black baptist pastor/preacher woman and doctor claiming there's a cure for COVID as a medical professional. I wouldn't let her give me a vaccine, and I don't think they're dangerous! The pandemic has exposed the rot in our educational and institutional systems. God knows what will happen when piss-poor engineers at the level of some of these doctors start building our bridges...

well if they use demon semen to build that bridge all would well🤡

[dufus]

 

[cosy]

We shouldn't allow ourselves made "mad" and worried over all sorts of theories coming from all the "experts"

We live in a modern world, and we will get a working vaccine, like it or not and all will be fine.

When one read about the epidemics which have affected the world long before we were on this world, one could have made such prophesies,

at the time, so we should just keep our heads up and live hopefully.

We all know, some time there will be an end for everyone 😀