Radpop Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Coronavirus was in Europe and Brazil already in 2019 Many researchers from different countries have found coronavirus from several frozen wastewater samples from 2019. Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China. Italy sewage study suggests COVID-19 was in Milan and Turin in December 2019. Brazil finds coronavirus in sewage sample from November 27, 2019. Source More sources: Reuters Globalnews Euronews https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.26.20140731v1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp68terr Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 One more info about the virus outside of China before its official discovery in China. However, the COVID-19 disease is about infection of people, not just about samples/traces in sewage/wastewater. IMHO, a stronger point would be an early patient infected by the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Source https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-28/Spanish-study-finds-coronavirus-traces-in-March-2019-sewage-sample-RGOr98Afcs/index.html CGTN = CGTN.com is the official website for China Global Television Network Looks to me like Chinese propaganda trying to 'bat-away' your thoughts that Cov-19 started in Wuhan, China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp68terr Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Quote Chinese propaganda A bit of https://www.cgtn.com/about-us My New Year ｜2018 Silver winner in the Social Issues category, U.S. International Film & Video Festival. No Child Left Behind ｜2018 Gold Camera Award winner for Best Documentary Short, U.S. International Film & Video Festival. Charlottesville Violence｜2018 First place award winner for editing, White House News Photographers Association. Detroit Hosts Alibaba's Gateway '17 ｜2018 First place award winner for editing, White House News Photographers Association. Louisiana's Isle de Jean Charles In Peril From Climate Change ｜2018 Second place award winner for photography, White House News Photographers Association. Faces Of Africa ｜2018 Silver Winner for Documentary Series, Telly Awards, USA. Surfers Not Street Children ｜2018 Best Documentary award winner, Cannes Short Film Festival. Ip Man's Last Student: The Tale of 'Wing Tsun King' ｜2018 Golden Prize winner in the Short Video category, Global Trend Video Awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Nice place ^^ to stuff in some propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefa Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Coronaviruses Have Been Around For Centuries: What Differentiates COVID-19? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radpop Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Source links added. These findings originate from scientific studies. 11 hours ago, mp68terr said: IMHO, a stronger point would be an early patient infected by the virus. So, COVID-19 was in Spain 2019, should they open old people's graves to find corona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp68terr Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Thanks for the added links, mostly for the scientific paper from medrxiv (late June 2020). Original publications have more credit than after passing as news articles. As written there and noted earlier, monitoring the wastewater/sewage can be an early way to detect infections. IMHO it is however not a proof that humans were infected and died of the severe acute respiratory syndrome. No idea regarding how long the virus can survive in dead bodies. Finding patients whose death was caused by the virus would be a proof. Opening graves is done in some forensic studies as the last option to get samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radpop Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 It's quite normal that oldie dies in pneumonia followed seasonal influenza. For example, in Sweden people died in corona flu have been on average 84 years old. If there isn't any abnormal influenza situation like pandemic without vaccine to risky groups, exact cause of death could have been remained unclear at early stages of corona. Still sick people have secreted virus to sewage and it can be explored later from frozen sewage sample if there is test to identify virus. About sources: Primary sources of this topic are being prepared for publication. Most sources on this forum are secondary sources at best. It's very rare that secondary source like newspaper article is totally correct. Journalists have time tables and they have mostly insufficient knowledge to do conclusions they will do. Every researcher knows this. Mostly, they haven't enough time or patience to lead the blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp68terr Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 You mean that the 'normal' 'influenza' effects could have masked the early corona infection itself. Completely possible. About sources: completely agree with you. It takes longer and much more effort to read/analyse/understand primary sources like scientific publications but at least readers with enough knowledge could make their own judgement from the presented data. The pre-eated secondary sources are easier to read but usually very superficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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