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from the what-are-you-so-afraid-of dept

 

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The Russian government continues to escalate its war on encrypted services and VPNs. For years now, Putin's government has slowly but surely taken steps to effectively outlaw secure communications, framing the restrictions as essential for national security, with the real goal of making it harder than ever for Russian citizens to dodge the Putin government's ever-expanding surveillance ambitions.

 

The latest case in point: starting last Friday, the Russian government banned access to encrypted email service Tutanota, without bothering to provide the company with much of any meaningful explanation:

 

In a blog post, the company notes that Tutanota has been blocked in Egypt since October of last year, and that impacted users should attempt to access the service via a VPN or the Tor browser:

"Encrypted communication is a thorn in the side to authoritarian governments like Russia as encryption makes it impossible for security services to eavesdrop on their citizens. The current blocking of Tutanota is an act against encryption and confidential communication in Russia.

 

...We condemn the blocking of Tutanota. It is a form of censorship of Russian citizens who are now deprived of yet another secure communication channel online. At Tutanota we fight for our users’ right to privacy online, also, and particularly, in authoritarian countries such as Russia and Egypt.

Except VPNs have been under fire in Russia for years as well. Back in 2016 Russia introduced a new surveillance bill promising to deliver greater security to the country. Of course, as with so many similar efforts around the world the bill actually did the exact opposite -- not only mandating new encryption backdoors, but also imposing harsh new data-retention requirements on ISPs and VPN providers forced to now register with the government. As a result, some VPN providers, like Private Internet Access, wound up leaving the country after finding their entire function eroded and having some of their servers seized.

 

Last year Russia upped the ante, demanding that VPN providers like NordVPN, ExpressVPN, IPVanish, and HideMyAss help block forbidden websites that have been added to Russia's censorship watchlist. And last January, ProtonMail (and ProtonVPN) got caught up in the ban as well after it refused to play the Russian government's registration games. While Russian leaders want the public to believe these efforts are necessary to ensure national security, they're little more than a giant neon sign advertising Russian leaders' immense fear of the Russian public being able to communicate securely.

 

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So the author of the article thinks Russia has already access to Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo etc that 99% of people in the world use and the only problem is this new tutanota. lol

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24 minutes ago, Sylence said:

So the author of the article thinks Russia has already access to Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo etc that 99% of people in the world use and the only problem is this new tutanota. lol

But what they (the government) dumb enough to know that even if they blocked Tutanota and ProtonMail, they didn't know that there are alternatives for that?

https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/the-best-encrypted-email-services/

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25 minutes ago, zanderthunder said:

But what they (the government) dumb enough to know that even if they blocked Tutanota and ProtonMail, they didn't know that there are alternatives for that?

https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/the-best-encrypted-email-services/

 

Exactly, so the government is definitely Not dumb and the way this article is depicting the whole story seems shady.

 

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1 hour ago, Sylence said:

Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo

These are not end-to-end encryption providers . A Goverment can pressure them  to hand over your emails . If  the USA wants your data they have to hand it over even if your data is stored offshore because Microsoft lost in court .  In order to provide  a service in Russia you  have to  follow there laws if you don't comply  you get fined  and / or banned  its just that simple .

 

1 hour ago, zanderthunder said:

But what they (the government) dumb enough to know that even if they blocked Tutanota and ProtonMail, they didn't know that there are alternatives for that?

They many end-to-end encryption providers but not free ones . the Government dont  see them as  a problem yet  If Millions of Russians  bought them then they could ban them too if they want  by law.  This article is not about what they not ban yet  , it's about the latest end-to-end encryption services they ban they ban other emails as well . Telegram and many VPNs already . There excuse   to ban Tutanota was people were using it to make fake bomb threats.

 

From Russian News  Tass : Russia blocks access to several foreign mail services after wave of bomb threats

https://tass.com/society/1122025

 

They have pages and pages of stuff  they ban so far

https://reestr.rublacklist.net/

 

That's  a lame excuse If they sent non encrypted emails  to the Goverment Tutanota and ProtonMail  want protect you against that  , only way end-to-end encryption really  works  if 2 people  are emailing back and forth using the same end-to-end encryption provider.  Only way you can send emails  to other providers  is unencrypted . Who  the heck  is going to pay money to do this unless they was some business  with devices  all over the world? These free ones gets you in there and get you hooked then you pay to get more storage and features.  Many people have Tutanota or/ and ProtonMail  but those paid for ones I doubt they do .  :P

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30 minutes ago, steven36 said:

These are not end-to-end encryption providers . A Goverment can pressure them  to hand over your emails . If  the USA wants your data they have to hand it over even if your data is stored offshore because Microsoft lost in court .  In order to provide  a service in Russia you  have to  follow there laws if you don't comply  you get fined  and / or banned  its just that simple .

 

They many end-to-end encryption providers but not free ones . the Government dont  see them as  a problem yet  If Millions of Russians  bought them then they could ban them too if they want  by law.  This article is not about what they not ban yet  , it's about the latest end-to-end encryption services they ban they ban other emails as well . Telegram and many VPNs already . There excuse   to ban Tutanota was people were using it to make fake bomb threats.

 

From Russian News  Tass : Russia blocks access to several foreign mail services after wave of bomb threats

https://tass.com/society/1122025

 

They have pages and pages of stuff  they ban so far

https://reestr.rublacklist.net/

 

That's  a lame excuse If they sent non encrypted emails  to the Goverment Tutanota and ProtonMail  want protect you against that  , only way end-to-end encryption really  works  if 2 people  are emailing back and forth using the same end-to-end encryption provider.  Only way you can send emails  to other providers  is unencrypted . Who  the heck  is going to pay money to do this unless they was some business  with devices  all over the world? These free ones gets you in there and get you hooked then you pay to get more storage and features.  Many people have Tutanota or/ and ProtonMail  but those paid for ones I doubt they do .  :P

 

 

you just confirmed what I said.

so if you are not doing anything illegal, your privacy won't be violated.

if you are doing something illegal, government SHOULD access your email and stop you before you do harm to the society and other people.

 

what is wrong with that? just tell me.

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12 minutes ago, Sylence said:

so if you are not doing anything illegal, your privacy won't be violated.

 

That's not true  you dont have to do anything illegal , you may just be friends with someone who does  or be suspected of  doing something illegal, email data is just one  piece of evidence  they gather to  try to convict you . And when you say illegal your  on the world wide web what may be illegal in your country may not be illegal in mine and vice versa , were i live  they never banned any email providers , messenger  apps  , or VPNs so i dont have to comply with other  countries  that do  laws.:)

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8 minutes ago, steven36 said:

That's not true  you dont have to do anything illegal , you may just be friends with someone who does  or be suspected of  doing something illegal, email data is just one  piece of evidence  they gather to  try to convict you . And when you say illegal your  on the world wide web what may be illegal in your country may not be illegal in mine and vice or versa were i live  they never banned any email providers , messenger  apps  , or VPNs so i dont have to comply with countries  that do  laws.

 

that's all your opinion, not true.

I can say lots of things about US government and you can deny it too.

really? US government bans free speech in social media, orders Twitter, Instagram, YouTube to ban certain content about people. how about that?

they categorize everything they want under hate speech. it's tit for tat.

censorship is happening right under your nose my friend.

US president threatens other countries and persons in Twitter which is against terms of service but they don't anything. but the government orders Facebook and Instagram to remove pictures of Soleimani after they assassinated him.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Sylence said:

US government bans free speech in social media, orders Twitter, Instagram, YouTube to ban certain content about people. how about that?

No that's not  true if they is no law saying they had to do it , they done it because of pubic opinion and out  of fear  the Goverment may make laws to be able to  regulate social media one day , but there no laws on the books that say they have to ban people for every social media site  that dont allow something they are social media site sites that do allow it still. :lmao:

 

9 minutes ago, Sylence said:

that's all your opinion, not true.

No its not the jails are full of people who are not guilty some got proven to be innocent  after  spending years and years in jail  its a cold hard fact .

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16 minutes ago, Sylence said:

 

your paragraphing is so bad it's hard to understand what you are saying. please use dots and commas more often.

 

books, laws what?

There  is no law saying  they have to ban no one they done it because of public opinion from the Social  Justice movement and  fear that they will make laws  to regulate social media , Before Trump got in office and the left was in office Obama praised google and  social media they never did even care for as long as the internet existed tell the left said the Russians hacked them and stole the election from HRC . Threats and laws are two different things . They done  that on there own accord without the Goverment  having to put anything on paper just  because people had has a bad opinion  of them   .

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3 minutes ago, steven36 said:

There  is no law saying  they have ban no one they done it because of public opinion from the Social  Justice movement and  fear that they will make laws  to regulate social media , Before Trump got in office and the left was in office Obama praised google and  social media they never did even care for as long as the internet existed tell the left said the Russians hacked them and stole the election from HRC . Threats and laws are two different things . They done  that on there own accord without the Goverment  having to put anything on paper just  because people had has a bad opinion  of them   .

 

How is this related to the fact that US do censorship in social media and Twitter discriminates and lets Trump violate Twitter's terms of use?

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41 minutes ago, Sylence said:

 

How is this related to the fact that US do censorship in social media and Twitter discriminates and lets Trump violate Twitter's terms of use?

Social Media are not Goverment regulated  there is no law saying they have to censor no one and there is no laws saying they can't . Each site  is privately owned  with there own set of rules like this site has rules  you can't talk about certain things . Its like Tumblr ban porn but Twitter and reddit didn't.  It like Extremist  social media sites that allow them to say stuff that the mainstream social media sites don't . No websites  from the USA   speaks for the USA as a whole. We  dont have Goverment regulated social media sites like China has yet. Maybe one day we will, but there is no law saying they had to yet . so saying the USA done it is not true you argument  is with Facebook , Twitter and YouTube  not  the USA goverment .

 

Now if they allow data breaches  and hacks and put the  Goverment  and public  at  risk they broke the law and they  will have to pay the price  but  at the end of the day its up to them  how they want to go about  protecting there sites .Banning people may not even do any good  they  new to having to protect there sites and really don't know what will work and won't  work none of there methods have been proven to work yet.

 

TV , Radio and the Telephone is Goverment regulated but just the internet is not yet , that was there excuse  for getting rid of Net Neutrality was Big Tech was not Goverment regulated and the ISP  was and it was not fair  so they got rid of it were  the ISP have the same rights as Big Tech. If Social Media ever gets Goverment regulated they want have different rules they will all have to follow the same rules.

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35 minutes ago, steven36 said:

Social Media are not Goverment regulated  there is no law saying they have to censor no one and there is no laws saying they can't . Each site  is privately owned  with there own set of rules like this site has rules  you can't talk about certain things . Its like Tumblr ban porn but Twitter and reddit didn't.  It like Extremist  social media sites that allow them to say stuff that the mainstream social media sites don't . No websites  from the USA   speaks for the USA as a whole. We  dont have Goverment regulated social media sites like China has yet. Maybe one day we will, but there is no law saying they had to yet . so saying the USA done it is not true you argument  is with Facebook , Twitter and YouTube  not  the USA goverment .

 

Now if they allow data breaches  and hacks and put the  Goverment  and public  at  risk they broke the law and they  will have to pay the price  but  at the end of the day its up to them  how they want to go about  protecting there sites .Banning people may not even do any good  they  new to having to protect there sites and really don't know what will work and won't  work none of there methods have been proven to work yet.

 

TV , Radio and the Telephone is Goverment regulated but just the internet is not yet , that was there excuse  for getting rid of Net Neutrality was Big Tech was not Goverment regulated and the ISP  was and it was not fair  so they got rid of it were  the ISP have the same rights as Big Tech. If Social Media ever gets Goverment regulated they want have different rules they will all have to follow the same rules.

 

 

The whole law is flawed in US. Social medias are government regulated. government makes fake sanctions and social medias use it to justify their actions. it's a ridiculous game.

Russia is innocent here compared to what US government is doing to the world.

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The whole law is flawed in US. Social medias are government regulated. government makes fake sanctions and social medias use it to justify their actions. it's a ridiculous game.

Russia is innocent here compared to what US government is doing to the world.

Sanctions dont have nothing to do with Social media it has something to with Big Tech if a  Tech company is blacklisted  there not allowed to business with them is all . But if they wasn't greedy  to begin with  and all tech was open source  they would be nothing to regulate.The Linux Foundation still does business with blacklisted companies because open source  is not for profit . The problem with social media and Big Tech they are for profit  and when there money involved  every country in the world that not out right ban  them yet will take turns suing them for millions  and billions of dollars.  That's just the price you have to pay  for being the most richest and hated businesses in the world.

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Sanctions dont have nothing to do with Social media it has something to with Big Tech if a  Tech company is blacklisted  there not allowed to business with them is all . But if they wasn't greedy  to begin with  and all tech was open source  they would be nothing to regulate.The Linux Foundation still does business with blacklisted companies because open source  is not for profit . The problem with social media and Big Tech they are for profit  and when there money involved  every country in the world that not out right ban  them yet will take turns suing them for millions  and billions of dollars.  That's just the price you have to pay  for being the most richest and hated businesses in the world.

 

 

they have everything to do with social media. Instagram and Facebook's justification for removing posts is Us sanctions. do your research.

 

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they have everything to do with social media. Instagram and Facebook's justification for removing posts is Us sanctions. do your research.

 

Can i ask you this why do  activists have to use Facebook and not use alternatives  ? Why do they depend on USA sites if countries had there own social media sites like China does what the USA done wouldnt even matter . why must you depend on these USA sites for freedom of speech  when people from the USA cant even?  I dont use Facebook since 2011  and I tell people to leave it and im not alone there's a whole #DeleteFacebook movement many people from USA  fell the same as me . Go use snap chat or something  and see will the UK will treat you any better.

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Can i ask you this why do  activists have to use Facebook and not use alternatives  ? Why do they depend on USA sites if countries had there own social media sites like China does what the USA done wouldnt even matter . why must you depend on these USA sites for freedom of speech  when people from the USA cant even?  I dont use Facebook since 2011  and I tell people to leave it and im not alone there's a whole #DeleteFacebook movement many people from USA  fell the same as me . Go use snap chat or something  and see will the UK will treat you any better.

 

 

no you can't ask because that's not relevant.

why people should use the stupid encrypted emails if they don't have anything to hide and if they are not doing anything illegal.

 

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no you can't ask because that's not relevant.

why people should use the stupid encrypted emails if they don't have anything to hide and if they are not doing anything illegal.

 

You dont have to  no one said you did , encrypted emails dont even have to be used encrypted but if your country   ban my email  i cant email you  unless  you have a email provider  in a country that its not ban . These encrypted emails dont even have anything to do with the USA they based in the EU   and you went all off  topic talking about the USA  . Why do you diss  EU emails and praise USA ones?  if you was worried about freedom of speech and they didn't allow you to speak freely and ban everyone for sanctions  as you claim you most likely wouldnt have outlook  anymore that proves Big tech makes there own rules  .

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55 minutes ago, mp68terr said:

Privacy? I don't have anything to hide.

https://www.privacytools.io/

 

Edward Snowden says Facebook is just as untrustworthy as the NSA 

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/31/20940532/edward-snowden-facebook-nsa-whistleblower

 

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If  they untrustworthy as the NSA  that means they recording everything you say . If they weren't they wouldnt know to ban you its a site with billions of users . They  ban the USA  activist just like  they ban Activist  not from the USA. Why bother even visiting ? My life goes on with out fussing about my problems  on Facebook.

 

Back when it was  on the other shoe when Snowden went in exile And before the founder of Wiki Leaks went to jail  for leaking about the NSA. Russians and there Sympathizers was all Gun Ho about privacy  but  once  there Goverment  started banning encryption then people not even from Russia starts running there mouth about why it OK not to have privacy . I wonder how  all the Russians  fell about it?  i even had Russian friends  who bought VPNs  when it was legal there. If your not from Russia  it was not your rights that was took away.  it was theirs. And I know i would not like it if my Goverment  done that and if we  dont fight for privacy no one will have none and it want be no chance of them ever getting theirs back!

 

You know Rich people they can buy privacy  , people in Governments  , Ceos  etc.  You only see what they want you to see , If anything  bad they do leaks  it's a scandal so they can't afford  not to have privacy  but they  make  it there business to  evade  the conman mans privacy . You don't have the sames rights they have because your not rich and can't pay off  people to look the other way . The CEO of Microsoft uses Linux he  knows better than to use Windows when not at work. Privacy is not just for people who do illegal things we all have stuff  we don't want  the world to know  there called secrets.   :lmao:

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1 hour ago, steven36 said:

You dont have to  no one said you did , encrypted emails dont even have to be used encrypted but if your country   ban my email  i cant email you  unless  you have a email provider  in a country that its not ban . These encrypted emails dont even have anything to do with the USA they based in the EU   and you went all off  topic talking about the USA  . Why do you diss  EU emails and praise USA ones?  if you was worried about freedom of speech and they didn't allow you to speak freely and ban everyone for sanctions  as you claim you most likely wouldnt have outlook  anymore that proves Big tech makes there own rules  .

 

Outlook and Gmail work in Russia. you must have confused China with Russia lol

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Edward Snowden says Facebook is just as untrustworthy as the NSA 

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/31/20940532/edward-snowden-facebook-nsa-whistleblower

 

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If  they untrustworthy as the NSA  that means they recording everything you say . If they weren't they wouldnt know to ban you its a site with billions of users . They  ban the USA  activist just like  they ban Activist  not from the USA. Why bother even visiting ? My life goes on with out fussing about my problems  on Facebook.

 

Back when it was  on the other shoe when Snowden went in exile And before the founder of Wiki Leaks went to jail  for leaking about the NSA. Russians and there Sympathizers was all Gun Ho about privacy  but  once  there Goverment  started banning encryption then people not even from Russia starts running there mouth about why it OK not to have privacy . I wonder how  all the Russians  fell about it?  i even had Russian friends  who bought VPNs  when it was legal there. If your not from Russia  it was not your rights that was took away.  it was theirs. And I know i would not like it if my Goverment  done that and if we  dont fight for privacy no one will have none and it want be no chance of them ever getting theirs back!

 

You know Rich people they can buy privacy  , people in Governments  , Ceos  etc.  You only see what they want you to see , If anything  bad they do leaks  it's a scandal so they can't afford  not to have privacy  but they  make  it there business to  evade  the conman mans privacy . You don't have the sames rights they have because your not rich and can't pay off  people to look the other way . The CEO of Microsoft uses Linux he  knows better than to use Windows when not at work. Privacy is not just for people who do illegal things we all have stuff  we don't want  the world to know  there called secrets.   :lmao:

 

 

 

although I totally agree with Snowden on that, but governments should have access to people's data when the law and public security requires them to.

 

when you say people, there are all kinds of people. good people, bad people, terrorists, all in one cup.

because of this reason, people shouldn't be allowed to hide their activity from the law. unless you are OK with terrorists killing others and some of those victims might even be from your family.

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46 minutes ago, Sylence said:

 

Outlook and Gmail work in Russia. you must have confused China with Russia lol

The OP is not about Outlook and Gmail i dont  even  use these USA emails  by Big Tech since 2012 anymore. If someone uses a Russian email service like.

  • Gomail [WEB] [POP]
  • Halyava [POP]
  • iMail [WEB] [POP]
  • Inbox.ru [WEB] [POP] [FORWARD]
  • Mail15 [POP3] [IMAP] [WEB]
  • Mail.ru [WEB] [POP]
  • Novaya Pochta [WEB]

And i have my email  app open i cant send them  a email i have to go dig out  one of my  none e2e  email providers   that i never use just to talk to them . The world is  much bigger  than  the USA  not everyone uses there services  it may be a shock to  you  but it's a fact. so they made it harder to talk to some people that want to avoid big tech . .Outlook and Gmai work with  all e2e  email providers too. But what if they like  me and dont like to use  USA  sites?  I was  a beta tester  for Gmail  before  it was even public  i remember when  people  didn't  use  web emails  we used  the ones our ISP gave us  in the early days.

 

PS: Russia  not got after Google  about emails yet there not E2E  , But Russia has Fined  them 2 times  for not censoring there search engine 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-fine/russia-fines-google-for-not-complying-with-search-results-law-tass-idUSKBN1OA0ZA

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-lawsuit/russia-fines-google-for-failing-to-filter-search-results-idUSKCN1UD1WU

 

So Google will have to cave  are  be ban one day .

 

Also  as far as Microsoft  they ban LinkedIn in 2016

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/why-has-russia-blocked-linkedin

 

All USA  sites in Russia  face a ban  if they dont cave in soon .:clap:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/17/facebook-and-twitter-face-russian-sanctions-in-data-storage-row

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Sylence said:

when you say people, there are all kinds of people. good people, bad people, terrorists, all in one cup.

because of this reason, people shouldn't be allowed to hide their activity from the law

In law also: there are all kinds of people. good people, bad people, (a few ?terrorists?) all in one cup.  😉

 

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The OP is not about Outlook and Gmail i dont  even  use these USA emails  by Big Tech since 2012 anymore. If someone uses a Russian email service like.

  • Gomail [WEB] [POP]
  • Halyava [POP]
  • iMail [WEB] [POP]
  • Inbox.ru [WEB] [POP] [FORWARD]
  • Mail15 [POP3] [IMAP] [WEB]
  • Mail.ru [WEB] [POP]
  • Novaya Pochta [WEB]

And i have my email  app open i cant send them  a email i have to go dig out  one of my  none e2e  email providers   that i never use just to talk to them . The world is  much bigger  than  the USA  not everyone uses there services  it may be a shock to  you  but it's a fact. so they made it harder to talk to some people that want to avoid big tech . .Outlook and Gmai work with  all e2e  email providers too. But what if they like  me and dont like to use  USA  sites?  I was  a beta tester  for Gmail  before  it was even public  i remember when  people  didn't  use  web emails  we used  the ones our ISP gave us  in the early days.

 

PS: Russia  not got after Google  about emails yet there not E2E  , But Russia has Fined  them 2 times  for not censoring there search engine 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-fine/russia-fines-google-for-not-complying-with-search-results-law-tass-idUSKBN1OA0ZA

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-lawsuit/russia-fines-google-for-failing-to-filter-search-results-idUSKCN1UD1WU

 

So Google will have to cave  are  be ban one day .

 

Also  as far as Microsoft  they ban LinkedIn in 2016

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/why-has-russia-blocked-linkedin

 

All USA  sites in Russia  face a ban  if they dont cave in soon .:clap:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/17/facebook-and-twitter-face-russian-sanctions-in-data-storage-row

 

 

 

Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo are global Email providers, not US only.

those you mentioned are Russian only, not global.

you can still use either type but the experience isn't as expected.

 

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Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo are global Email providers, not US only.

those you mentioned are Russian only, not global.

you can still use either type but the experience isn't as expected.

All providers   are Global  unless  they block certain countries  form using them just because they not English  dont mean nothing they millions of Russians live in the USA  

 

Mail.Ru's sites reach approximately 86% of Russian Internet users on a monthly basis and the company is in the top 5 of largest Internet companies, based on the number of total pages viewed. Mail.Ru controls and operates the 3 largest and most popular Russian social networking sites, VKontakte, Odnoklassniki, and Moi Mir, respectively

 

In the year June 2007 the site became the most popular Russian site in web according to Alexa ranking. Prior to that, it had already gained more than 30 million user all over the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail.Ru

 

It's the WWW  unless you live in China  or a site is ban in your country the whole internet is Global so your point is moot. I been  using Russian sites for 12 years  now  so  you don't make any sense . Russian torrent sites have more users  than English  ones even   and there even ban in Russia  but somehow  they get around it  most pirates use RU tracker  and others . they Russian music sites direct download or stream  with any music you want  for free  better than any legit  music sites.  Before Russia  started getting Google to censor and blocking    sites  i had a whole lot more Russian warez sites bookmarked   many are gone now. It makes  me sad   because I  uploaded  with Russians  on warez sites  since 2007 tell i retired  from it.

 

I use to even belong to a warez forum from China it was global and web sites  from China use to not be blocked like they are now and they was  full  of warez   we use to link to them back in 2007 and 2008 on the site i uploaded on cracks from the scene. I still belong  to warez forums in Vietnam and Indonesia. So the whole internet is global unless  they block certain places  or certain places block you. every year it gets worse and worse because they even sites in the middle east i use to use  the downloads  wont work for me anymore. thats why using file lockers is best .

 

I switch  to Linux  were  so i dont  have worry about software 98% i use is free  The other 2% i need so  i buy it.  I just  go mostly  to  sites that have movies and TV Shows  so i cut way back  on pirating. I have 2 apps  that I download  music  without having  to use a web browser even.

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