steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On Thursday, Microsoft CEO Brad Smith made a bold climate pledge: By 2030, he said the company will remove more carbon from the environment than it emits, and by 2050, will remove more carbon than the company has ever produced. This is a big step up from Microsoft’s previous climate action plans. But it’s unclear what the plan will mean for the company’s contracts with oil and gas companies that are fueling the climate crisis. And as long as Microsoft keeps helping these firms, its commitment to carbon negativity isn’t nearly as big a deal as it sounds. Smith said in his announcement that Microsoft will transition its own operations to 100 percent renewable energy by 2025, and shift its “global campus operations vehicle fleet” to electric by 2030. To provide transparency on their progress, it will also publish an annual Environmental Sustainability Report “based on strong global reporting standards.” The company has been “carbon neutral” since 2012, but organizers say Microsoft relied too heavily on buying renewable energy credits to offset their carbon emissions, instead of lowering them directly. This comes less than a year after the company made other climate pledges, albeit ones that were less-than-stellar. But overall, the new plan makes some big promises that are decidedly good. The company also has plans to reduce the carbon emissions down the supply chain. But the plan doesn’t say anything specific about decarbonizing companies it supplies services to, specifically cloud computing. Microsoft holds multi-year deals to sell cloud services to Shell and Chevron, and is developing artificial intelligence technology with BP. In February, Microsoft announced a partnership with ExxonMobil that could expand the oil giant’s production by up to 50,000 barrels of oil a day by 2025 from the Permian Basin. “Teaming up with Exxon, BP, Chevron and others to extract more oil and gas is a major disconnect and makes the climate crisis worse” Greenpeace’s Senior Climate Campaigner Elizabeth Jardim said in a statement. “To truly become carbon negative, Microsoft must end its AI contracts with Big Oil.” It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen any time soon. “The significance and complexity of the task ahead is incredible and will require contributions from every person and organization on the planet. That’s why we are committed to continuing to work with all our customers, including those in the oil and gas business, to help them meet today’s business demands while innovating together to achieve the business needs of a net zero carbon future,” Microsoft’s plan reads (emphasis added). The company’s carbon negative goal will also rely on technology that doesn’t exist today. To that end, Microsoft said it will also create a $1 billion fund to speed up the development of carbon removal technology. Carbon dioxide removal isn’t just something Microsoft is striving for. It’s also popular among big polluters. An alliance of 13 oil and gas majors pushed a carbon capture initiative in the fall. That follows a 2016 investment by 10 fossil fuel companies to put $1 billion into developing the technologies. And it makes sense that polluting industries want this technology to advance, because it would in theory allow them to become carbon-neutral without changing their business models. Microsoft promotes themselves to the fossil fuel industry as a tool to help extract more oil and gas more quickly (they’ve even sponsored a conference that featured Caleb Rossiter, a member of the CO2 Coalition, a nonprofit that advocates for putting more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere). And with $1 billion in carbon capture technology research on their side, they will likely continue to do so. There’s no harm in emitting greenhouse gases, the logic goes, if you can suck them out of the air afterward. But the science shows we need to quickly phase out of extracting and using fossil fuels altogether. We don’t have time to wait for new technologies, which could take years to develop. Earther has reached out to Microsoft for comment and will update this story with their response. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Let Microsoft or whoever solve one iota of today's problems and stop giving away the future so freely. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 Microsoft is not helping no one in the long run . The way they became a trillion dollar outfit is from greed . There company can be anti-carbon , but as long as there a for profit organization and they make a boat load of money from those who pollute the earth it's a oxymoron . There products helps big oil and every other kind bad thing you can think of. That why you can't really have morals and be a Tech company at the same time having morals will cause you to go bankrupt. There climate plain is just a bunch of hot air, because big oil , people who make gasoline cars , plastics and all the other pollution on the earth money spend just as good as people who are green thumb . And the people who are killing the earth have the most money because they dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, steven36 said: ... you can't really have morals and be a Tech company at the same time having morals will cause you to go bankrupt... Surely you are not suggesting that no one has morals in a technology company including its hard-working employees who are responsible for making it a profitable company (bring in the $$$s). Or that a technology company that files for bankruptcy is full of moralistic people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, aum said: Surely you are not suggesting that no one has morals in a technology company including its hard-working employees who are responsible for making it a profitable company (bring in the $$$s). Or that a hard-working employees that files for bankruptcy is full of moralistic people. Employees morals dont reflect on what a company do . Speaking up about the wrong things your company does will get you fired . None of the Big Tech companies even have a union to protect you . They dont really have any freedom of speech or much rights and thats everyone even the CEO if he believes different then if the company contract holders complain about him action will be took against him . So you have no rights at work and if you represent the company you never have no rights to speak what you believe in public ether. So everything is fake written to be politically correct, if its not you will be looking for a new job. they don't really have morals they have contracts and if you piss off the people that hold them your gone. Places i worked at if they was a layoff management and trouble makers were always the 1st to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Sorry that I can't relate to such unpleasant observations and/or experiences. None of the places (all tech companies) I worked was as bad as this. In fact all of them were good places to work. And the employees and management at all levels were normal people as normal as anywhere. Didn't come across any trouble makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, aum said: Sorry that I can't relate to such unpleasant observations and/or experiences. None of the places (all tech companies) I worked was as bad as this. In fact all of them were good places to work. And the employees and management at all levels were normal people as normal as anywhere. Didn't come across any trouble makers. The world we live in everyone is judging you by your actions . Many places monitor there workers on Facebook if they see them say something they dont like they get rid of them . Satya Nadella's job was to turn Microsoft from being just a Windows company to a profitable business by any means . His job is not to have morals . You cant have them at work and lay off 1000s of people like he done . People complain about contracts they hold for Ice (immigration ) and they said they going keep there contracts with ICE . Microsoft dont have morals they only have contracts . those people who spoke up about Google and cause Google to cancel and lose contracts all get fired for being trouble makers that why they change management to take control back from there employees . A job is what is what you make out of it , you can ether do your work and leave your SJW crap at home and there contracts alone and keep your job. Or you can be a trouble maker and as soon as they find a reason lose your job. Or you can quit and work for some place that have a real union if want real workers rights . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 My comments were vis-à-vis morality of technological companies. Believe painting with too broad a brush diminishes credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, aum said: My comments were vis-à-vis morality of technological companies. Believe painting with too broad a brush diminishes credibility. As far as i know no Tech companies have no moral credibility anyway . Many try to profit from your morals . Microsoft sell products to businesses regardless of what that company does . They don't care only way they wont sell something to someone is if the USA Goverment forbids it . Tech has no moral code. It is everyone’s job now to fight for one https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/25/tech-no-moral-code-racist-ads-cambridge-analytica-technology-ethical-deficit Tech has no morals they never have ,Only thing that ever changed there conduct was Anti Trust (Being Fined) . For better or worse any changes Microsoft made over years was because of Antitrust cases against them in the past. It our job as the people to elect the right people in there and Anti Trust is world wide that there forced to do better and be held accountable . But the harder we fight the harder they will fight to get around it. As far as who they hold contracts with if they not a national security threat i doubt they even care . It like they talk ethics but they hold multi billion contracts with the biggest war machines in the world . Talk is cheap . actions speak louder than words. Most big tech outfits battle it out to own the contracts for the Tech to have war with . It's 3 folds of evil even , they have contracts that enable companies to hurt the environment , they have contracts that enable war . and they have contracts that help out anti-imagination . There just enablers, That what Tech is to enable you to do something in a Technical sense . Good and bad . It's always been like that it like IBM there like the oldest Tech company in they played both sides of World War 2 most of that money they bought Red Hat with was that old blood money they made from the Nazis . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/mar/29/humanities.highereducation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhjohns Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 What we need to do is to stop looking at the negative and focus on the positive. Microsoft is doing a good thing. We need to choose our battles. Microsoft has actually been carbon-negative since 2012. The more companies adopt the same measures as MS the less oil we will need. Technology is catching up, and the environment will get better. Already coal is almost a done deal. Natural gas, which produces only carbon dioxide and water is prevalent in the electricity generation business, and other forms of power generation are becoming better and better. Maintaining an objective eye towards this whole process is paramount. Just as a side-note, MS did not become a trillion dollar company due to greed. It became a trillion dollar company because people buy their products. I do not understand this thought process that promotes the "American Dream" of success until one succeeds. Then the same thought process is that when success is achieved that thought process is to hate. Once again, choose your battles carefully, and congratulate where it is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, dhjohns said: What we need to do is to stop looking at the negative and focus on the positive. Microsoft is doing a good thing. We need to choose our battles. Microsoft has actually been carbon-negative since 2012. The more companies adopt the same measures as MS the less oil we will need. Technology is catching up, and the environment will get better. Already coal is almost a done deal. Natural gas, which produces only carbon dioxide and water is prevalent in the electricity generation business, and other forms of power generation are becoming better and better. Maintaining an objective eye towards this whole process is paramount. Looking at only the positive when the negative outshines the positive the point is moot fanboy . when they causing good with one hand and bad with the other they need to cut one of them off. You can not serve two masters, you will hate one and love the other. And there master is money and they love it more than ethics like all Tech have always done . They will sell you something to defeat your enemy and turn right around and sell your enemy something to defeat you. If your defending the bad things they do because of the few good things they do, your ethics is tainted just like theirs is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, steven36 said: ... fanboy Unnecessary! 33 minutes ago, steven36 said: You can not serve two masters... Yes @steven36 Agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, aum said: Unnecessary! its not your job to correct what i say , you need to read the guidelines, I dont mean nothing by calling people fanboys we all fans of something i dont see it as a bad thing . Only reason you would take it as bad is if you was ashamed of being one. I dont have nothing against Microsoft but them preaching ethics and not practicing what they preach the SJW movement out there will eat them alive. I just play devil's advocate because i hold no allegiance to any Tech company. I don't use Microsoft products so what ever SJW say about them wouldnt effect me. But SJW have attack Linux many times back in 2019 and Linux made rules to fix it and open source made one guy step down and I stayed out of it and i did not get in the middle of it or make up excuses for there bad actions. My source is from a web site with progressive views that align with SJW even i dont care as much as much they do because i more to the center than that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 20 hours ago, steven36 said: its not your job to correct what i say , Not even remotely interesting in such a total waste-of-time job (task)*. "Unnecessary" was a comment. Why try to correct others?: “Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.” --Leo Tolstoy" Also: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, aum said: Not even remotely interesting is such a total waste-of-time task. "Unnecessary" is a comment. Telling people things are Unnecessary when you not even being spoken too is mini modding ( thats something a mod would say ) and it was not meant to be interesting it was meant to be a warning it means you have no more authority than me and if you keep telling me what to do i will report you and i have lot to say about you to them anyway that i just not got around to telling them yet So it would be in your best interest to leave me alone . If you think what I say is a waste of time dont bother responding to me i never ask you too Normally when someone says something that i find not interesting i dont bother responding . . PS: Silly off topic quotes and post was and talking to me too much was bad habits you had with your past lives on here? It a wonder your not using your flowers smiley too. I know who you are even before you got brave enough to start showing your again . This is not my 1st run in with you on this site and it got old 2 years ago. I guess you think they forgot about what trouble you caused. But people never really forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, steven36 said: If you think what I say is a waste of time I did not say that. I said, "Not even remotely interest[ed] (interesting was a typo) in such a total waste-of-time job (task)* in response to "its not your job to correct what i say". Where did I say that "what you say is a waste of time"? A job (task) of correcting what others say is a waste of time. The meaning of words is not in the black and white figures they make on a screen nor it's in the eye that sees the words but it's in the mind of the reader. Please feel free to satisfy yourself in any which way you like (ref: reporting etc). No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, aum said: Please feel free to satisfy yourself in any which way you like (ref: reporting etc). No problem. I already did just fine without your help , you give a monkey enough rope they always hang themselves , i reported you and im done talking to you. @adi when i talked you in the past we never got along and im tired of history repeating itself on here . Your not the 1st member who been ban many times and kept coming back just to be banned more, and it most likely want be your last ban and you want most likely be the last person that keeps coming back and never learning there lesson . I's sad because i think this site must be all you have because i would not come back after one ban. let alone two or three . And like i told the others ban ones who trolled me back in 2015 . Ban members dont have no rights or even should be in the comments there ghost that got around the rules. Ban members are part of this sites past problems and some keep coming back adding more. Maybe 1 out of 10 that come back behave . you lasted almost a year this time but now your off the hook again. Under your 2nd account you only lasted a year. You really should stop drinking . Your not new here you been a vet and vip so you know the rules but you never have followed them because if you did you would still be a vet. It not my fault you have problems with this site so stop targeting me with your post baiting . It's trolling because you go on and on if anyone talks back and always try to get the post closed or the last word in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefa Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Right i can see whats going on here @aum don't worry i no you are a returning banned member and yes i am back good news for you hey...You have been reported as i always say it don't take long for true colors to shine through.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhjohns Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 5 hours ago, steven36 said: If your defending the bad things they do because of the few good things they do, your ethics is tainted just like theirs is. Oh but I am not. You see the word Microsoft and immediately you get a bug up your butt! 🤣 But please, list out the "bad things they do." Enquiring minds want to know. And please, leave out the conspiracy theories. Just stick to facts. Okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 hours ago, dhjohns said: Oh but I am not. You see the word Microsoft and immediately you get a bug up your butt! 🤣 But please, list out the "bad things they do." Enquiring minds want to know. And please, leave out the conspiracy theories. Just stick to facts. Okay? It's the internet were it don't matter if people have facts or not . When has that ever mattered ? How many Anti trust cases have Microsoft walked away from not had to pay and/or cut deals ? Not many. The biggest problem with Microsoft in 2020 is what thy dont do no more and thats appeal to consumers . That how they kept nose clean this time they only make software that only some Enterprise would wont since they made Windows 7 2011 they not sell many boxes to consumers . If they did i would still be using windows . Only consumers left on windows are PC gamers and Tech dinosaurs . The desktop is used for a tool for production people live on smartphones and use it for consumption . Windows done out live it usefulness at home . Windows never had 4 billion users like Facebook does . There MSN is abandonware and soon Skype will be too and they will only have Teams that only business use . Consumers dont buy devices just for the voice assistant by Microsoft like they do others its a dead project . They don't have all the billions of users Like google does ether to even matter. in the USA more users on IOS now than Windows now, that proves consumers will buy it if they made something they wanted. .Nobody uses Bing Search If nobody at home uses your stuff there not much they can sue you over . They depend on contracts from Enterprise thats all they have left other than XBox .the IT jargon they talk about Consumers would rather watch paint dry than listen to it . Punishment on big tech is based on scandals not facts when they dont have access to most of the worlds data to collect like the others because they dont use there stuff. there is no scandals. Just like IBM people use to use there stuff at home but not in ages . People done wised up they dont want to work behind a PC all day and come home and be tied down behind one . It not convenient enough for them . Microsoft is lucky to get in the general news at all it's niche . If it was not about them being in bed with big oil they would not made the general news now. Scandals true or not hurt Big tech worse than facts do. There no fact seeking with Microsoft or the rest of big tech they masters at covering up the facts and marketing for there niches .. the only scandals Microsoft have anymore is viruses ,0days , botched and being in bed with other outfits the public don't like . People got tired of Windows 10 scandals in 2015 because Windows lost its market lead to smartphones . But all that bad press effected them dearly because before they made Windows 10 they always had more users than smartphones. They dont deal in facts they deal in selling you a pipe dream most of them since they made the iPhone has been DOA if it's not to do with Enterprise . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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