steven36 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 By Jason Evangelho A few Linux distros to choose from I began my Linux journey 16 months ago with only one certainty: I didn’t want to use Windows for the rest of my life. I’ve remained in a constant state of exploration and discovery in the pursuit of finding that “forever distro.” You know, the one to rule them all. The perfect Linux OS that’s stable, checks all those feature boxes, slides effortlessly into every scenario and is just plain fun to use on a daily basis. I greet you today with a sobering and unexpected conclusion: it doesn’t exist. At least not for me. This is obviously a subjective statement, but give me a few minutes to explain what’s changed my mind, and why I’m starting to view this “distro hunt” mentality through a different lens. Part 1: The Ubuntu Phase Ubuntu was my doorway into the wide world of desktop Linux and it remained my distro of choice for quite some time. It was rock solid and attractive. The ability to find an answer to a burning question was effortless thanks to such a massive community, and it “just worked” on every device I installed it on. Ubuntu 18.04 on my Dell XPS 9370 Jason Evangelho So, why not just stay with Ubuntu? Personal curiosity took over. What else was out there? Could a different combination of distro + desktop environment (Xfce, Budgie, Pantheon, KDE, LXDE) affect my workflow, my productivity, my sheer enjoyment? Professional curiosity also seeped in. I was becoming influential within the Linux community, and there’s no denying that regularly covering Linux at Forbes was beginning to make a dent in mainstream perceptions too. If I had more knowledge and more hands-on time with everything else out there, perhaps I could make more personalized recommendations to fit an individual’s needs or wants. Ubuntu was all I knew. It was time to distro hop. Part 2: The Distro-Hopping Phase I started devouring the lesser-explored alternatives. The elegance of elementary OS, the modern slickness of Deepin, the raw power of Intel’s Clear Linux, the rewarding challenge of a pure Arch installation. Xfce hooked me with how fast and lean it was. MATE and Budgie lured me in too (through Ubuntu MATE and Solus, respectively). KDE Plasma seduced with me its endless customization yet surprisingly low system requirements. Like the entire cast of Seinfeld treated their significant others, there was always something to nitpick, but I appreciated everything that was brought to the table. I just felt unsettled, unable to find that perfect distro that not only looked fantastic out of the box and ran like a champ, but also catered to the Linux gaming crowd in various ways. Then I discovered Pop!_OS from System76. Part 3: The System76 Phase (Ongoing!) My System76 Oryx Pro Jason Evangelho I fell in love with Pop!_OS (and in fact I still love it). Much more than just a “reskin of Ubuntu,” System76 injected a personality into its distro. The company beat Ubuntu and many other distros to the punch by offering a great solution for hybrid graphics laptop users. Little things like downloading the Vulkan 32-bit and 64-bit libraries when you installed Steam, offering Lutris in their software center, and being the first to solve the AMD Zen 2 boot issue before even motherboard manufacturers could issue a BIOS update. They like to ease user friction, and I’m on board with that. System76 is a nimble company with a vested interest in keeping their distro stable but on the bleeding edge (the 18.04 LTS version of Pop ships with kernel 5.3); after all, they also sell a variety of hardware Pop!_OS needs to run flawlessly on. When I adopted the wonderful Oryx Pro laptop as my daily driver, it cemented everything. I threw Pop!_OS on every device I owned –- multiple notebooks and desktop PCs. I was content. Pop!_OS became my new daily driver for 7 months. Part 4: The Peppermint Predicament Then Peppermint OS happened. To fully appreciate the situation with Peppermint OS, I strongly suggest listening to Episode 16 of Linux For Everyone: If not, please settle for the short version: It all started when I put Peppermint OS on an ultra-budget laptop and it just screamed compared to Windows 10. It didn’t hurt that it was so polished right out of the box (something many “lean and light” Linux distros fail at despite best efforts). Then I nuked Pop!_OS from my Dell XPS 13 in favor of Peppermint OS, and was welcomed with dramatically longer battery life. I work away from the wall frequently, and battery life remains my holy grail. My 'forever distro' mentality in a single photo. . .Jason Evangelho That’s when the “forever distro” mentality crept back in. “Maybe this could be the one?” I wanted Peppermint OS on everything. The serious hurdle was replicating the same great experience I had with the synergy of System76 software + hardware. Peppermint OS CEO Mark Greaves graciously spent hours with me on Telegram – voluntarily – troubleshooting, suggesting various approaches, continuing to research after I had given up (those details are on the podcast and too nuanced for these pages). What a trooper! That’s still a quest I’m pursuing, but the outcome is irrelevant to the point I’m about to make. I was adamant on using the same distro for everything, until I learned about how Peppermint OS was “Frankensteined” together. Linux is all about choice. It’s modular. Like the Borg, it adapts to any situation. So why try to force a square peg into a round hole? Peppermint CEO Mark Greaves cherry-picked the best elements of the LXDE, Xfce and Cinnamon desktop environments! He used both the Mint and GNOME software centers. Multiple package managers. On paper, Peppermint OS should be a disaster, but it’s brilliant. It’s just not the ideal distribution for one of my machines (without putting some serious effort in, anyway). That’s when it all came into focus. I use Linux because Windows users don’t have this kind of flexibility. You want a version of Windows 10 that runs like a dream on your crappy dual-core laptop with 4GB of RAM? Sorry, not an option. But with Linux, I can use the same exact software across any distribution I choose! I can effortlessly make a backup on my Oryx Pro running Kubuntu, and restore that on my XPS 13 running Peppermint OS. We have the tools to adapt; to make it a seamless experience while using the absolute best distro that fits our needs based on the unique scenario. How awesome is that? I suppose I hadn’t realized this simple truth until Peppermint OS gave me that unexpected nudge. I don’t need to find a “forever distro.” I can keep distro hopping for years until I reach the end of the road. All I need is Linux itself. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLASMA Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Indeed with Linux you can resurrect your old-dead pcs, as for the distro hopping....that's the joy of it, you never get bored.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 Well you have to take in consideration .Jason Evangelho job is to write about Linux and gaming . If he really stop distro hoping he would run out of things to post about . I been using Linux a few more years than he has . A little over 4 years now . I stop distro hoping in Apirl 2017. I dont even turn my testing machine on in years . I dont get paid to test software I tested cracked Windows software for years and it got me no were except for me and my friends didn't have to buy software . Well on Linux most all apps are free already so after you learn it there is else nothing to do . .Jason Evangelho 1st choice was Ubuntu and then Pop OS and Peppermint is based on Ubuntu too so there no real learning curve there . Windows 10 is not boring yet it lots of work trouble shooting bugs and new versions coming out you can even be a insider if you like . But is not very consumer friendly Windows 10 home that comes on Stock PCs is a PITA and most consumers dont know how to trouble shoot that the reason they used windows with 10 years support using the same OS with very little over head. Most people who visit Tech forums and read the PC centric news know how to work on computers or they are learning how . But thats just a small percentage of people on the internet. What I'm saying sometimes boring is good . I've been using the same setup for almost 2 years now i dont have time to be testing software 24/7 anymore if you do ether you have to much time on your hands and it's just a hobby and you will burn out sooner or latter or your being paid . I got burn out on testing Win 32 apps back in 2011 and after i learn how to use Linux there it was nothing much else to do i have less troubles than i had with Windows 10 because i use only LTS Linux for almost 2 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryrynz Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 If only everyone worked together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp68terr Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 13 hours ago, steven36 said: Ubuntu was all I knew. I was becoming influential within the Linux community... regularly covering Linux at Forbes... Many of nsane forumers could be considered as influential experts and write for this mag then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halvgris Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 i have been using linux for 13 years on and off. first i would always go for ubuntu but then as always i found myself drown in all apps that i had no intention of using. i have now settled with mx linux slim with the minimum programs i do use even more at hand if i wish to explore. my tip for any new linux users. remember the passwords. try a usb distro first so you know wifi and other things work. installing drivers is a bit more complicated on linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, mp68terr said: Many of nsane forumers could be considered as influential experts and write for this mag then. I doubt it because because hes a Gaming Technician he covered Gaming and Tech at Forbes for over a decade. Hes a Senior Contributor he been writing news longer than many people that are active on the forums today even been members . You need a Bachelors degree in journalism, and prior experience to even write for Forbes. Qualifications Bachelors degree in journalism, English, communications, or another appropriate field. At least five years reporting and writing or editing experience. Experience covering the technology industry as a journalist or engaging in other activities that build knowledge about the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhjohns Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 If you want to try out an absolutely amazing linux distro, go here: https://www.linux.com/tutorials/deepin-linux-gorgeous-it-user-friendly/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitar Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 So everyone is just forgetting about Kali Linux? THE definitive distro with all the tools built in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 41 minutes ago, dhjohns said: If you want to try out an absolutely amazing linux distro, go here: https://www.linux.com/tutorials/deepin-linux-gorgeous-it-user-friendly/ The guy in the OP covered that Chinese Distro so did most every other linux site . It ranks #10 at distrowatch . It comes with outdated apps and has a EULA so i wouldnt touch it. as far as Linux goes/ Its looks nice but im not agreeing to when install linux here are other caveats Con Deepin store apps not up to date Con Team doesn't know what to do Deepin has changed the base 4 times, and the name 3 times. The Desktop Environment also has been changed 4 times. Con Customization is a bit hidden GUI is not straight forward for changing GTK+ or QT themes. Con Slow default repos Download speed for packages from the default repos, is abnormally slow if you don't choose the correct sever. Con Cannot customize desktop environment. Because the developers have locked down desktop customization is A HUGE detractor against the idea of setting things up how you want. Con Based in China Very slow installer Because the servers are in China. Con Installer lacks features I consider Deepin articles to be all hype about eyecandy but it crippleware compared to others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp68terr Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, steven36 said: I doubt it because... Maybe now... but I was referring to what he wrote in the article: just knowing ubuntu and considered as having influence in the linux community while covering linux in forbes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhjohns Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 40 minutes ago, steven36 said: The guy in the OP covered that Chinese Distro so did most every other linux site . It ranks #10 at distrowatch . It comes with outdated apps and has a EULA so i wouldnt touch it. as far as Linux goes/ Its looks nice but im not agreeing to when install linux here are other caveats Con Deepin store apps not up to date Con Team doesn't know what to do Deepin has changed the base 4 times, and the name 3 times. The Desktop Environment also has been changed 4 times. Con Customization is a bit hidden GUI is not straight forward for changing GTK+ or QT themes. Con Slow default repos Download speed for packages from the default repos, is abnormally slow if you don't choose the correct sever. Con Cannot customize desktop environment. Because the developers have locked down desktop customization is A HUGE detractor against the idea of setting things up how you want. Con Based in China Very slow installer Because the servers are in China. Con Installer lacks features I consider Deepin articles to be all hype about eyecandy but it crippleware compared to others all this is just your opinion, not based on any facts, and simply not true. How is based in China a detriment. You have an issue with the Chinese? Also, all software has EULA, and the rest of your comments are total BS. Even Forbes says this is the best there is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, mp68terr said: Maybe now... but I was referring to what he wrote in the article: just knowing ubuntu and considered as having influence in the linux community while covering linux in forbes. He used more than just Ubuntu in VMs for his articles just he runs Ubuntu based for his installed media . Nothing wrong with that i used others Debian and Arch based before when i had problems with drivers but i went back to Ubuntu. We dont really have many Linux users at this site its mostly Windows based site . Before Windows 10 came out you never . If it was not for me and few others they not even be nothing about Linux here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 hours ago, dhjohns said: all this is just your opinion, not based on any facts, and simply not true. How is based in China a detriment. You have an issue with the Chinese? Also, all software has EULA, and the rest of your comments are total BS. Even Forbes says this is the best there is! Yes when it comes to what i use my opinion is all that matters and yours dont . As far as what Jason Evangelho said about at Forbes i take what he said as a hype post. 1. He only tested it in a vm not a real machine 2. If its the best why do he chose to use POP OS and Peppermint instead ? 3. Just like all the other sites that post Linux news that praised it but no journalist i know actually use it as a daily driver. 4. If they dont even use it why i take should there word for it? 5. They get paid to praise Linux Distros and see it in a positive light when most of the Linux community are volunteers and shed light on any problems it may have. 6. Even the Distro i use gets slammed for things and if its wrong i don't defend it . And i hold no alliance to Ubuntu if they ever go to far like Microsoft did i will switch Distros in a New York minute . I make my own choices . 7. Actuality I dont use Deepin just like i dont use any other Distros made by small companies . I stay with the bigger Distros only . Nothing I wrote about it is of my own opinion it all came from reviews , videos , and what i read other Linux users say about it witch led to me forming my own opinion about it . But I would not use if it was made by a friend even because I dont want to use something and they close shop on me because they got burnt out plus i dont trust there security . The security team has decided not to continue reviewing deepin related packages until the overall security of deepin has improved. This particularly means upstream needs to be more closely involved, we need a security contact and they need to follow a security protocol to fix issues in a timely manner. […] Most of those packages still have major security issues that have not been acted upon. […] In its current shape the deepin software suite is not fit for openSUSE:Factory. A different security culture is needed upstream both on the implementation side and on the process side. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1136026#c1 8. You must dont even use GNU Linux and have it confused with Windows. There is no such thing for most of it, only for the proprietary parts, eg flash, nvidia drivers, skype, etc etc that dont come installed on GNU Linux by default . You have to enable and agree to use non free packages are install a non free ISO but your only agreeing to terms of a piece of closed source software you need. . there are different versions of GPL, LGPL, BSD and several other licenses, none of which have or need a standard EULA. Open source software only has a license in the install folder unless you plain to redistribute it dont matter you own it and you can do as like with it. You don't agree to anything for most open software one exception is VLC they prompt you do you want opt out of them logging . Any Firefox will ask you do you want to opt out or not of servile things but dont have ELUA . you must agree to them logging you or not . But MPV and other players dont even Log . If you chose to use Closed Source software on Linux you have to agree to each vendors EULA were you cant hold them labile and they can do what they want , but they can hold you liable for altering it. Debian and Firefox fight for 10 years over the fact Firefox had a ELUA saying they couldn't use Debian Patches with it so they forked Firefox into ICE Weasel tell Firefox gave in and the Firefox logo was released under the free copyright license so there EULA means nothing since 2016. https://www.pcworld.com/article/3036509/iceweasel-will-be-renamed-firefox-as-relations-between-debian-and-mozilla-thaw.html Moonchild / Palemoon act the same way as Firefox use to so there not really open-source and no distro will host there packages they have there own Linux installer . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jango Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 My thought is nobody's perfect in this world even the God in the bible the Creator he make flood of his first creation because there is bug and error? Even Boss Bill Gates believe in God, But maybe we can fix the bug and error code to make a almost perfect OS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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