steven36 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 And so Chinese tech giant Huawei is going ahead, putting the future of its international smartphone business in play, and it is a risk that could cost the company millions of lost users. The flagship Mate 30 launch date has been announced—September 19, in Munich, Germany. But it's an announcement that leaves more questions than answers. "Rethink possibilities," is the tagline for the launch. But, as I've reported before, the only "possibility" being debated by tech analysts is a Huawei smartphone targeting the international market without Google's Android software and services onboard. Right now, the company has left the market and its millions of users with a seeming contradiction. And no-one knows what this means in practice. It seems that on September 19 we may find out. Here's Huawei's dilemma in five parts: First, Huawei has launched its own operating system. Dubbed HarmonyOS, the platform is designed to operate a range of smart IoT devices—TVs, watches, car systems. But CEO Ren Zhengfei has said the OS "is not designed for phones as everyone thinks." And Huawei board member Catherine Chen told reporters that the operating system is "not for smartphones and the company intends to continue to use Google's Android operating system for its smartphones." And while company consumer tech execs claim that it can be transitioned fast, no-one believes that. Second, Huawei has acknowledged that the core driver for its international smartphone business is the Android ecosystem of apps and developers. It's an ecosystem that the company's CEO admits would take the Chinese giant years to recreate. And they haven't really started as yet. Third, Huawei execs have been at pains to confirm that the company's smartphones will carry Google's Android for the time being—that there are no plans for an alternative. The OS, Chen acknowledged, "is for industrial use—Huawei intends to continue using Android [on smartphones]." Fourth, Google has hit the tech giant with the news that the Mate 30 falls outside the grace period the U.S. government had given for "new" devices to slip through the blacklist net. Essentially, the device is too new, it wasn't registered with Google before the blacklist hit, and so Google has said it must ship without their tech onboard. And, finally, Huawei is going ahead anyway. Right now they have a smartphone launch with no market certainty as to what software will drive it. And while the new device will no doubt come packaged with high-tech features and advances, the question remains: will anyone outside China buy the Mate 30 and cut themselves off from the ecosystem they are used to enjoying? The China point is critical. Huawei has a huge share of the Chinese smartphone market—almost 40%. And its phones in China already ship with just the basic open source version of Android as the wider platform is banned in the country. So it does have a market for the device as things stand—just not the one it wants or needs to drive continued international growth. We may see delayed international sales with an initial focus on China. Unless Huawei has found a major blacklist fudge or has developed a souped-up version of open source Android to power its devices. So, all eyes on the Munich launch, now just a couple of weeks away. When will devices actually to start to sell and ship—and in which markets around the world? There is already plenty of analyst excitement on the hardware. But Huawei knows full-well that it needs an answer on the software as well, to translate excitement into sales. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jogs Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 It could be a disaster or it could be the other way round. Just like the Chinese taking over the hardware manufacturing they may eventually take over the OS market also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Jogs said: It could be a disaster or it could be the other way round. Just like the Chinese taking over the hardware manufacturing they may eventually take over the OS market also. Even though i'm all for open source I'm a realist , Open Source Linux have being trying gain grounds on desktop for 27 years to no avail and they just dabbled in Mobile over the years with failed attempts and new Linux Phones startups are on the horizon . Mozilla, Ubuntu and Microsoft all failed trying to break ground in the smartphone Market . Microsoft lost billions of dollars in the 6 years they made Windows phones. Even Linux users from the west have no desire to use Chinese OS like Deepin Linux and it's open source and a very pretty DE . People are worried about the Chinese goverment may silently pushi a back door into the code. So the way the world is now they don't have a chance outside of China . They ban the versions of software everyone use in the rest of the free world and backdoor there versions they use. So they lucky they have been able to compete as long as they have but without Google's help huawei would never broke grown outside of China in the smartphone business . They started out as hardware only witch is now blacklisted for sale in the USA. Huawei phones have never been big sellers in the USA and they never will, the goverment has been after them for many years even before they made smart phones. Too make and os work for people at all you have get developers onboard to make apps people uses and many are protected by patients and things . It took GNU Linux 27 years too get all open source apps they have now and still they have a small market-share . The closed source version of Android Linux made by Google it took them years to become were there at today as the 1# OS in the world . Up tell a few years ago they had no one working against them ether . Trying to start out in the Software business fresh in the middle of probes and trade war stinks of disaster. . The reason Google has so many users is the fact they use to not be the way they are now, so they gained the free world's trust they started breaking ground in the tech markets by 2008 and by 2012 they was abusing users trust , but trust is nothing China ever had in the software market outside of China . To get users people have to trust you as far as software is concerned at sometime or the other. So much is involved at a privacy and security level and in the last few years it also runs deep into the hardware level as you seen with Intel being exposed for making vulnerable hardware that there no cure for it but buying new hardware. You really can't trust no one any more if there a Big Tech company regardless of were it's made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solitario Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I don't know about you but I prefer to give my "free information" using your software to the Chinese and the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, solitario said: I don't know about you but I prefer to give my "free information" using your software to the Chinese and the Russians. Were i live the software market is still dominated by Windows over all and IOS is still used more than Android . Everybody has a choice to use they want . China version of Android is full of apps that are mostly only used in China there a closed society they don't want outsiders using there services mingling with there people that why they made the great firewall. But they want to profit by using the USA services in the rest of the world while they don't allow there own people to use them. Old saying is you can't have your cake and eat it too. Ether there a closed society or there not. , Russia is still dominated by windows they still use the Google version of Android . I have used some Russian software in the past but there is not very much of it made in Russia when i use to use Windows that was in English .For years they been trying to get there own people to use native software but they chose to use stuff not made in Russia. Until they become a closed society again they will always have this problem, they depend on western technology just as much as other countries in Europe. I rather have my software freedom and use Linux and not give no country my info no more than i have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopalka Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I guess that not in other countries except China now it is way harder to sell Huawei smartphones. I personally chosen other manufacturer just because potentially there could be difficulties with Android updates and other Google apps. But I hope that Huawei will be able to create or use 3rd party OS. Diversity is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truemate Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 no more chinese spy stuffs... "Vietnam is intent on being the first ASEAN nation to provide a 5G network—without China’s tech powerhouse Huawei" "Viettel Group, Vietnam’s largest mobile carrier owned by the [MoD], will deploy Ericsson AB’s equipment in Hanoi and Nokia Oyj’s technology in Ho Chi Minh City" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-26/vietnam-prefers-its-mobile-networks-to-be-free-of-huawei?srnd=premium-asia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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