steven36 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 There are many Linux users out there and despite that, Linux desktops have failed to break into the mainstream when compared to Microsoft’s Windows. One of the main reasons behind it, as described by Linus Torvalds, is “the fragmentation of different [Linux] vendors.” There are multiple Linux vendors, unlike the Windows ecosystem, which creates a lack of a unified approach. However, now two of the most popular Linux desktop competitors – GNOME Foundation and KDE – are coming together to work on a Linux desktop. Both open-source biggies are set to sponsor the Linux App Summit (LAS) 2019 which is scheduled for November 12th and 15th, 2019. Today we announce our joint collaboration with @kdecommunity on @LinuxAppSummit and building an application ecosystem. See – https://t.co/gCKC3hDQb2 – Join us in Barcelona Nov 12-14th, 15th a BoF day!#LinuxApps pic.twitter.com/vcivE41VAF — GNOME (@gnome) July 31, 2019 This isn’t the first time the two rival companies are sharing a stage. It has been a decade since the organizations started working together. However, nothing fruitful has been achieved as of now. The statements issued by GNOME and KDE ahead of the event indicate that this time, we could see some concrete decisions regarding the future of Linux operating systems. By working together, they want to bring a unified approach to the Linux community and look past the variety of distros. The aim is to come up with a unified application system that is scalable. Neil McGovern, GNOME’s executive director, said: “LAS represents one of many steps towards a thriving desktop ecosystem. By partnering with KDE we show the desire to build the kind of application ecosystem that demonstrates that Open Source and Free Software are important; the technology and organization we build to achieve this is valuable and necessary.” Aleix Pol Gonzalez, KDE eV Vice President has also lauded the collaboration and hopes that it will solidify the Linux community by offering them a platform upon which the next generation of solutions can be based. We hope that LAS 2019 brings some good news for Linux community as well as for other users who have always been interested in Linux desktops. But the lack of a unified approach has prevented them from jumping the ship. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jango Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Wow good news KDE user here, i like KDE user interface many options specially the dolphin file manager and eating only small memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 46 minutes ago, jango said: Wow good news KDE user here, i like KDE user interface many options specially the dolphin file manager and eating only small memory The problem with KDE is if you don't use it , while they make good apps if you don't use a QT based desktop you need KDE Libs which are packages with you don't need to run a plain QT alternative . So i never use KDE apps unless i install KDE or something like LXQt. , They was talk about Cinnamon and Budgie Desktop switching to QT but QT is such a mess they decided against it and to stay with GTK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jango Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, steven36 said: The problem with KDE is if you don't use it is while they make good apps if you don't use a QT based desktop you need KDE Libs which are packages with you don't need to run a plain QT alternative . So i never use KDE apps unless i install KDE or something like LXQt. , They was talk about Cinnamon and Budgie Desktop switching to QT but is QT is such a mess they decided against and to stay with GTK Then maybe the programmer want more challenge of fixing bugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, jango said: Then maybe the programmer want more challenge of fixing bugs Both distros Gnome KDE need get together make there apps more interchangeable , KDE is about Cross Platform ,Linux , Windows , Phones yada , yada ,yada , while Gnome don't care about that they care more about making apps for Enterprise Linux . So Gnome is used in Linux as a flagship desktop more .See in the Old days they was lots hate for KDE. More info here Fnoord on Dec 7, 2017 [-] Qt has always been available under a dual license. A commercial one, and... "one intended to be open source". If you wanted to make your application open source you could use Qt, and if you wanted to keep your application proprietary you could buy a commercial Qt license. Back when KDE was being developed (which was open source), although the Qt source was available Qt wasn't free software nor OSI compatible. Back then it was owned and developed by Trolltech ASA, a Norwegian company (it was eventually bought by Nokia). Because it wasn't considered free software nor OSI compatible, certain distributions such as Debian didn't include it in their free repository and the FSF claimed it was incompatible with the GPL. So you had to grab it from non-free. I remember compiling 1.4x myself, same with KDE. It was eventually released under the QPL which wasn't considered GPL compatible by the FSF. Eventually it was also released under the LGPL. However while all this relicensing was going on (and it took various years), GNOME was already being developed, which was taken under the wing of the FSF as the free software desktop. By the time Trolltech had released Qt under the QPL and GPL, we already had a fractured "Linux" or open source desktop. During the early versions of GNOME and KDE (before Web 2.0) ie. KDE 1, KDE 2, KDE 3 and GNOME 1 and GNOME 2 KDE was seen as a Windows esque desktop environment with lots of bells and whistles. As you say, it had large support in Germany and SuSE. Meanwhile, GNOME was regarded as a more Apple-esque desktop environment (like OSX or macOS as its called now) and the other main large commercial Linux distribution RedHat and main competitor of SuSE had GNOME as default desktop environment. GNOME also had HIG when KDE didn't yet. Meanwhile, as you put, GNOME's libraries were LGPL and were therefore more proprietary-friendly because it doesn't require the fee for a commercial license which Qt has. For bigger companies that might not be a large barrier of entry, and you can find an ample amount of high commercial quality applications based on Qt. A comprehensive history is written on Wikipedia [1] Incomplete lists of software using Qt (doesn't contain discontinued software such as e.g. Opera for Linux) [2] [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(software)#History_of_Qt [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(software)#Applications_usi... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Software_that_uses_Qt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jango Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Open source software is the future fixing bugs much faster Like Microsoft Windows Terminal on github, Microsoft bought github Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 47 minutes ago, jango said: Open source software is the future fixing bugs much faster Like Microsoft Windows Terminal on github Yes it's the fastest way to fix bugs , Also the only way to make sure your code gets saved if you don't won't to make it anymore if it really needed someone will fork it , also much freeware is no benefit to people who have no money and need certain features only available in the pro version . When lots of times they fully functional open source alternative to replace it with , that's how i got started in open source was replacing stuff on Windows that work better. That why some closed source apps on Linux is looked down on more than others . there some stuff that is proprietary that people want or can't be replaced . Like for games or for work people use wine and stuff to make it run on linux but there is lot of apps that cost money is simply not needed on Windows or Linux they have Open Source alternatives that are better and if you want to support them you can donate . The board I posted Warez on they supported you use open source and good freeware apps . We had a a freeware part of the board and i posted there just as much as i did in the shareware cracked versions part we was about free stuff in general . Just the problem is a lot of freeware nowadays is not really free it's Freemium witch just ransomware they want you too pay to unlock it and to make it fully functional then there's so much freeware by big tech who sells your data or makes ads with data , That's reason i chose open source . But not all freeware is bad but lots of it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jango Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 hour ago, steven36 said: Yes it's the fastest way to fix bugs , Also the only way to make sure your code gets saved if you don't won't to make it anymore if it really needed someone will fork it , also much freeware is no benefit to people who have no money and need certain features only available in the pro version . When lots of times they fully functional open source alternative to replace it with , that's how i got started in open source was replacing stuff on Windows that work better. That why some closed source apps on Linux is looked down on more than others . there some stuff that is proprietary that people want or can't be replaced . Like for games or for work people use wine and stuff to make it run on linux but there is lot of apps that cost money is simply not needed on Windows or Linux they have Open Source alternatives that are better and if you want to support them you can donate . The board I posted Warez on they supported you use open source and good freeware apps . We had a a freeware part of the board and i posted there just as much as i did in the shareware cracked versions part we was about free stuff in general . Just the problem is a lot of freeware nowadays is not really free it's Freemium witch just ransomware they want you too pay to unlock it and to make it fully functional then there's so much freeware by big tech who sells your data or makes ads with data , That's reason i chose open source . But not all freeware is bad but lots of it is. Correct that is why until now there are so many software cracker's to help and share other's that don't have a lot of resources that want's to help make a world a better place for the next generation. A cracker's for fun breaking software protection and encryption. There's a lot of software bugs and zero day exploit everyday And also the Creator of us aka God program us that lot of bug's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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