Matrix Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The Russian operator of the YouTube-ripping sites FLVTO.biz and 2conv.com has scored an important legal win against several major record labels in the US. A Virginia federal court dismissed the piracy lawsuit after concluding that it doesn't have personal jurisdiction over these types of sites if they are operated from abroad. YouTube rippers are seen as the largest piracy threat to the music industry, and record labels are doing their best to shut them down. In 2017, YouTube-MP3, the world’s largest ripping site at the time, shut down after being sued, and several other folded in response to increased legal uncertainty. Not all stream-ripping sites throw in the towel without a fight though. FLVTO.biz and 2conv.com, owned by Russian developer Tofig Kurbanov, remained online despite being sued by several record labels last August. Where other site owners often prefer to remain in the shadows, Kurbanov filed a motion to dismiss the case. According to the defense, the court has no jurisdiction over the matter. Only a small fraction of the visitors come from the US, and the site is managed entirely from Russia, it argued. The RIAA labels, including Universal, Warner Bros, and Sony, clearly disagreed. In response, they argued that the operator of FLVTO.biz and 2conv.com downplays the connections to the US and Virginia. Therefore, he should stand trial there. Yesterday, US District Court Judge Claude M. Hilton ruled on the matter. In a 14-page opinion, he clearly sides with the operator of the YouTube rippers. Kurbanov doesn’t have to stand trial in the US so the case was dismissed. The ruling is merely about jurisdiction and doesn’t make an assessment of the alleged copyright infringements. The court carefully reviewed how the site operates and found no evidence that they purposefully targeted either Virginia or the United States. The sites are available in the US and have plenty of visitors there, but that by itself is not enough. “Even if the Websites’ servers knew exactly where the users were located, any interaction would still be in the unilateral control of the users as they initiate the contacts,” Judge Hilton’s opinion reads. 2conv.com There could be personal jurisdiction if there’s a “commercial contract” involved. However, that’s not the case here. The site generates revenue from users through advertisements, but that’s not seen as a basis for a commercial contract, the court concludes. “As the Websites are semi-interactive, the interactions with the users are non-commercial, and there were no other acts by the Defendant that would demonstrate purposeful targeting, the Court finds that Defendant did not purposefully avail himself of the benefits and protections of either Virginia or the United States. “The Court finds that exercise of personal jurisdiction over Defendant would be unconstitutional as a violation of due process…” Judge Hilton’s opinion adds, before dismissing the case. In addition, the opinion stresses that without personal jurisdiction the record labels don’t have the option to refile the case in California or elsewhere in the US. The ruling Val Gurvits, one of the attorneys who represented the site operator, is thrilled with the outcome. He believes this will also be beneficial to other foreign sites that offer similar functionality. “This decision goes a long way towards curbing the copyright owners’ misuse of the US legal system to bully foreign website operators,” Gurvits informs TorrentFreak. In many copyright-related cases, foreign defendants decide not to appear at all, but this case shows that fighting back can pay off. “All too often plaintiffs file actions in US courts against foreign defendants that have no connections with the US – and all too often foreign defendants are subjected to default judgments for failure to appear in a US court,” Gurvits says. “We are happy we were able to save our client from having to defend this action in a US court thousands of miles away from where the relevant business activities take place,” he adds. The major record labels have yet to comment on the outcome. TorrentFreak reached out to the RIAA for a response, but we haven’t heard back thus far. A copy of the memorandum opinion supporting the dismissal is available here (pdf). Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Russian operator of the YouTube-ripping sites FLVTO.biz and 2conv.com has scored an important legal win against several major record labels in the US. A Virginia federal court dismissed the piracy lawsuit after concluding that it doesn't have personal jurisdiction over these types of sites if they are operated from abroad. YouTube rippers are seen as the largest piracy threat to the music industry, and record labels are doing their best to shut them down. In 2017, YouTube-MP3, the world’s largest ripping site at the time, shut down after being sued, and several other folded in response to increased legal uncertainty. Not all stream-ripping sites throw in the towel without a fight though. FLVTO.biz and 2conv.com, owned by Russian developer Tofig Kurbanov, remained online despite being sued by several record labels last August. Where other site owners often prefer to remain in the shadows, Kurbanov filed a motion to dismiss the case. According to the defense, the court has no jurisdiction over the matter. Only a small fraction of the visitors come from the US, and the site is managed entirely from Russia, it argued. The RIAA labels, including Universal, Warner Bros, and Sony, clearly disagreed. In response, they argued that the operator of FLVTO.biz and 2conv.com downplays the connections to the US and Virginia. Therefore, he should stand trial there. Yesterday, US District Court Judge Claude M. Hilton ruled on the matter. In a 14-page opinion, he clearly sides with the operator of the YouTube rippers. Kurbanov doesn’t have to stand trial in the US so the case was dismissed. The ruling is merely about jurisdiction and doesn’t make an assessment of the alleged copyright infringements. The court carefully reviewed how the site operates and found no evidence that they purposefully targeted either Virginia or the United States. The sites are available in the US and have plenty of visitors there, but that by itself is not enough. “Even if the Websites’ servers knew exactly where the users were located, any interaction would still be in the unilateral control of the users as they initiate the contacts,” Judge Hilton’s opinion reads. 2conv.com There could be personal jurisdiction if there’s a “commercial contract” involved. However, that’s not the case here. The site generates revenue from users through advertisements, but that’s not seen as a basis for a commercial contract, the court concludes. “As the Websites are semi-interactive, the interactions with the users are non-commercial, and there were no other acts by the Defendant that would demonstrate purposeful targeting, the Court finds that Defendant did not purposefully avail himself of the benefits and protections of either Virginia or the United States. “The Court finds that exercise of personal jurisdiction over Defendant would be unconstitutional as a violation of due process…” Judge Hilton’s opinion adds, before dismissing the case. In addition, the opinion stresses that without personal jurisdiction the record labels don’t have the option to refile the case in California or elsewhere in the US. The ruling Val Gurvits, one of the attorneys who represented the site operator, is thrilled with the outcome. He believes this will also be beneficial to other foreign sites that offer similar functionality. “This decision goes a long way towards curbing the copyright owners’ misuse of the US legal system to bully foreign website operators,” Gurvits informs TorrentFreak. In many copyright-related cases, foreign defendants decide not to appear at all, but this case shows that fighting back can pay off. “All too often plaintiffs file actions in US courts against foreign defendants that have no connections with the US – and all too often foreign defendants are subjected to default judgments for failure to appear in a US court,” Gurvits says. “We are happy we were able to save our client from having to defend this action in a US court thousands of miles away from where the relevant business activities take place,” he adds. The major record labels have yet to comment on the outcome. TorrentFreak reached out to the RIAA for a response, but we haven’t heard back thus far. A copy of the memorandum opinion supporting the dismissal is available here (pdf).
steven36 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Some good news for a change fact is many people use YouTube rippers for educational reasons for study, anyone who uses them to rip mp3 for music have no regard for music quality .There music stream bitrates suck they give you the lowest quality audio , You don't get much for free legally anymore . They are some not so legal sites were have a nice library of music to stream ,There is free as in crap like YouTube and there is free as in great and that's pirate streaming sites that don't use YouTube . 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchter Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Any good sites with high bits (320 or FLAC) beside Kingdom Leaks? 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Streming mp3 320 in Smplayer for free not a problem for me Once i load a whole album of streams i save streams playlist to .m3u8 then i can listen to it in kodi as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halvgris Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 piracy is always going to thrive but why spend money on things that clearly doesn't work. i pay for a service that rips youtube videos or the mp3 stream. for me i mostly do it on free podcasts and talks that i want to enjoy on the go. i also pay youtube premium creators and actors get a share of my money. it was the record labels that made piracy possibly by constantly raising the price of cd's while rarely filling the cd to release later and earn more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarre™ Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I really don't care where my music come from. I mean, I don't even have great stereo that can go BOOM BOOM BOOM. As long as it's not crap, it's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bizarre™ said: I really don't care where my music come from. I mean, I don't even have great stereo that can go BOOM BOOM BOOM. As long as it's not crap, it's good enough for me. I have more than enough no boom boom here country boy all the way.. Was a different story when I was young lol but now I am old I have more style lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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