DLord Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Since I upgraded to Windows 10 few months ago, I've been using Windows Defender Antivirus without any problem. I have tried different security products in the past and was always skeptical of trusting MS security products. Obviously Windows Defender Antivirus has got much better in recent years but still falls behind major players. That makes me wonder how necessary it is to move to a well known and major security product? Is it really needed? Just keep in mind that I have computer related education and I feel confident that most of the time I practice safe web surfing and downloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLtA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, DLord said: Since I upgraded to Windows 10 few months ago, I've been using Windows Defender Antivirus without any problem. I have tried different security products in the past and was always skeptical of trusting MS security products. Obviously Windows Defender Antivirus has got much better in recent years but still falls behind major players. That makes me wonder how necessary it is to move to a well known and major security product? Is it really needed? Just keep in mind that I have computer related education and I feel confident that most of the time I practice safe web surfing and downloading. I Would Suggest you to Have A Good Antivirus Program Like Bitdefender Or Kaspersky, Last Week By Mistake I Downloaded A Patch for Revo Uninstaller Containing Win32/Neshta Virus From This Forum. Which Corrupted All Program on My PC & I Had to Do A Clean Installation 😪. Windows Defender Is Good But Not The Best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLord Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, -DeLtA said: I Would Suggest you to Have A Good Antivirus Program Like Bitdefender Or Kaspersky, Last Week By Mistake I Downloaded A Patch for Revo Uninstaller Containing Win32/Neshta Virus From This Forum. Which Corrupted All Program on My PC & I Had to Do A Clean Installation 😪. Windows Defender Is Good But Not The Best. Were you using Windows Defender? Was is updated, up and running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLtA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, DLord said: Were you using Windows Defender? Was is updated, up and running? Yes I Was Using Windows Defender & It Was On, Don't Know If It Was Updated or Not, Win32/Neshta Virus Was So Powerfull That After My PC Got Infected. Antivirus Programs Were Detecting Each Other As Viruses. & I Had Two Operating System Windows 7, Windows 10. Even Other Operating System Was Infected Without Even Running That Patch On it. Now I Use Windows 10 With Elementary OS (linux). Always Use A Good Antivirus Program, If you Don't Prefer to Use Any Security Software other than Windows Defender, Than Take Regular Backup Of your Important Data to an External Drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLord Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Wow, thanx for the info and sorry for your ordeal. Just one question, you mentioned "antivirus programs were detecting each other". Does that mean that you were running two antivirus progs at the same time? By the way, base on the following page on MS site, windows Defender is supposed to detect and remove Win32/Neshta: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/threats/malware-encyclopedia-description?Name=Virus:Win32/Neshta.A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLtA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Yes I had Kaspersky . But I never Thought that Someone Will Put Such Virus Inside A Patch. So For Testing I Switched Off Kaspersky. Considering It Can Detect Patch As False Positive & will Delete Before Running it. windows Defender is supposed to detect and remove Win32/Neshta May Be Patch Has Somehow Hidden That Virus From Windows Defender Untill It Got Executed, Good Security Programs Will Detect The Threat Before They Can Even Get Downloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLtA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, DLord said: Does that mean that you were running two antivirus progs at the same time? After My PC Got Infected I Tried Several Security Softwares From AVG, Kaspersky, etc. This Win32/Neshta Does Some Registry Edits & Launch It Self Whenever an .exe file gets Executed That's Why The Antivirus Software's Were Detecting Each Other As Viruses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLord Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, -DeLtA said: The Antivirus Software's Were Detecting Each Other As Viruses. That usually happens when using them at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLtA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Actually you Can Not Use Antivirus Program Such As Bitdefender Or Kaspersky at the same time. But With Windows Defender You Can Use Any Antivirus. And The Tools That I Told you From AVG or Kaspersky. These Are Portable tool specially Made for Neshta Virus. & Antiviruses were Not Only Detecting Other Security Tools For Neshta as Viruses. Even Opening A Windows Program (Ex. Taskmanager ) were getting detected as malware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBNHAGAR Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I tried windows defender for several months without any issues, running now Kaspersky free and it is very sufficient for my needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabrwky Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 @DLordI was an Eset fanboy for years, but came to my senses. Third-party AV's disable the kernel protection WinDefender provides against boot-viruses, rootkits, crypto's; then you're at the mercy of the AV coder's competence... or incompetence. WinDefender is all that's required, also light on resources, frequent updates. Limit scanning to C:\ drive. Exclude downloads folder & folders/install directories with cracks. Set default action to no removal, and no reporting to MS-- + restore anything it quarantines. Much like any good AV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty6100 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I personally disable Windows Defender after each clean install. However, on my brother's PC, I have Windows Defender paired with MBAM Pro with a key that I don't use. They actually play nice with each other. No issues whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastrahl Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Windows Defender is enough. If you want extra security you can use OS Armor and Sys Hardener : http://www.novirusthanks.org Just set it thoroughly up with gpedit and don't forget to activate the realtime scan to "on write only" so that you won't notice performance decrease every time you open something. 32 minutes ago, jabrwky said: @DLordI was an Eset fanboy for years, but came to my senses. Third-party AV's disable the kernel protection WinDefender provides against boot-viruses, rootkits, crypto's; then you're at the mercy of the AV coder's competence... or incompetence. WinDefender is all that's required, also light on resources, frequent updates. Limit scanning to C:\ drive. Exclude downloads folder & folders/install directories with cracks. Set default action to no removal, and no reporting to MS-- + restore anything it quarantines. Much like any good AV. My heart is always balancing between Windows Defender and its great native security features and SEP that comes with an IDS. It's the only free IDS I found since BlackICE got bought then cancelled by Intel, but I don't know how good does it work if you install it without the AV component. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLtA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 @DLord Whatever you Decide Either to Keep Using Windows Defender, Or to Use Any Other Security Software. Virustotal is their. Always Do Proper Scanning Before Running Any Patch Or Medicine On your System Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPECTRUM Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Windows Defender is enough in Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KXR75 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Try Kaspersky or ESET it didn't disappoint. These two antivirus always reliable from my experienced, also mine resource has been upgraded till now stick with Kaspersky and never trusted WinDef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecarion Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 7 hours ago, SPECTRUM said: Windows Defender is enough in Windows 10. Despite the fact Windows Defender has been improved specially over these last 3 years, I won't be agree. For which reason ? Never forgot those 3 things : At first, I will advice to always check the Windows Firewall. MicroSoft didn't learn and until today has never rectify this trouble... Because the people must (or just need to re)configure the rules (for example it's very easy with WFC). Otherwise it's a terrible bad point and even today, that's why the people could believe it's a crap for a wrong reason... Indeed that's right, it was improved but did you read the test (about ransomware, Zero-Day Exploit, etc) ? To resume, the result is always the same : Windows Defender is defeat by almost any good antivirus (such as Emisoft, Kaspersky, Gdata, Eset, etc). A lot of the people aren't aware about these facts PS : I will give just a fews examples https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/ https://www.mrg-effitas.com/ https://malwaretips.com/ https://www.av-comparatives.org etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLord Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 14 hours ago, IBNHAGAR said: I tried windows defender for several months without any issues, running now Kaspersky free and it is very sufficient for my needs. What about firewall? are you using any third party firewall? 14 hours ago, jabrwky said: @DLordI was an Eset fanboy for years, but came to my senses. Third-party AV's disable the kernel protection WinDefender provides against boot-viruses, rootkits, crypto's; then you're at the mercy of the AV coder's competence... or incompetence. WinDefender is all that's required, also light on resources, frequent updates. Limit scanning to C:\ drive. Exclude downloads folder & folders/install directories with cracks. Set default action to no removal, and no reporting to MS-- + restore anything it quarantines. Much like any good AV. That is exactly my argument for using Windows Defender for past few months. 13 hours ago, -DeLtA said: @DLord Whatever you Decide Either to Keep Using Windows Defender, Or to Use Any Other Security Software. Virustotal is their. Always Do Proper Scanning Before Running Any Patch Or Medicine On your System Very good advise indeed. Just to mention, Virustotal rejects connections from my country. They refuse to help protect us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLtA Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Google is not the only company that provides online Virus Scanning Service. Go Here : https://www.raymond.cc/blog/battle-of-the-6-online-malware-file-scanners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabrwky Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 @DLord Windows Firewall is excellent. If you need scanning from Virustotal, try Tor. I use AdVor with Privoxy. PM for config instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastrahl Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 17 hours ago, Ecarion said: Despite the fact Windows Defender has been improved specially over these last 3 years, I won't be agree. For which reason ? Never forgot those 3 things : At first, I will advice to always check the Windows Firewall. MicroSoft didn't learn and until today has never rectify this trouble... Because the people must (or just need to re)configure the rules (for example it's very easy with WFC). Otherwise it's a terrible bad point and even today, that's why the people could believe it's a crap for a wrong reason... Indeed that's right, it was improved but did you read the test (about ransomware, Zero-Day Exploit, etc) ? To resume, the result is always the same : Windows Defender is defeat by almost any good antivirus (such as Emisoft, Kaspersky, Gdata, Eset, etc). A lot of the people aren't aware about these facts PS : I will give just a fews examples https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/ https://www.mrg-effitas.com/ https://malwaretips.com/ https://www.av-comparatives.org etc We are speaking about anti virus not firewall. They are totally different. --- All the links show that Windows Defender IS actually enough (except malwaretips because I didn't find the test). It's right tthat some other best it, but by how many ? av-test : Industry average : 99,4 % Windows Defender : 99.3 % MRG Effitas : Windows Defender score 95.44% and 99.7% the next day. AV-Comparatives : 99.6%. I would say that if you catch some of the 0.X% virus, you searched for it. --- About zero day exploit, it's not AV's role to protect an OS from them. --- What's the issue with the default Windows Firewall rules ? It let no open ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIrt12 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 i have conflict with kaspersky and windows defender.But now i messed up settings so windows defender always stays off.Tried all fixes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLord Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Many thanks to all for your input. Based on everything discussed I think I'm going to keep using Windows Defender for the time being. Have to confess that so far I'm pretty much pleased with all aspects of it, mainly being native to the OS. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc71520 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/performance-test-october-2018/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabrwky Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 4:20 AM, pc71520 said: https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/performance-test-october-2018/ Jumped to a conclusion before careful read; too skeptical. You're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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