nir Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Russia is experimenting with more precise technology to block individual online services after an attempt to shut down banned messaging service Telegram failed, but Moscow has yet to find a way to shut it down without hitting other traffic. Telegram, which has 200 million global users and has been popular in countries including Russia and Iran, has been banned in Russia because it refused to comply with a court order to give security services access to users’ encrypted messages. Russia’s authorities started trying to block the service in April but they inadvertently blocked Russian users’ access to a slew of unrelated online services, including voice calls on the Viber messaging service, cloud-based applications for Volvo cars, and apps that control Xiaomi video cameras. Because of that hiccup, the attempt to block Telegram was put on hold, and the service is still accessible to Russian users. Since Aug. 6, Russian state communications watchdog Roskomnadzor and state security agency the FSB have been testing systems designed to allow more precise blocking of individual services, according to the minutes of a meeting between officials to discuss the plan. Anton Pinchuk, co-owner of Russian technology company Protei, which according to the minutes was invited to take part in the testing, confirmed to Reuters the testing was taking place. He said his firm has declined to take part. The earlier attempt to block Telegram involved targeting Internet Protocol addresses operated by Amazon, Google and others that hosted Telegram traffic. The problem was that these IP addresses often also hosted traffic for multiple other services which were also affected. The systems being tested now use a technology called Deep Packet Inspection. The technology operates in a more surgical way, analyzing Internet traffic, identifying the data flows of a particular services and blocking them. However, executives at two of the companies invited to take part said initial tests were not successful, because services other than the ones being targeted were still being blocked unintentionally. “So far no one has successfully passed the testing,” said one of the executives. They said the testing was scheduled to conclude by Aug. 20, but the deadline has now been pushed back. Roskomnadzor, in response to Reuters questions about the tests, said it had no information. The FSB did not respond to questions, nor did Telegram’s founder, Russian tech entrepreneur Pavel Durov. Oleg Ivanov, Deputy Minister for Communications and Digital Development, declined to comment. According to the document, a copy of which was seen by Reuters, nine Russian technology firms were invited to submit their Deep Packet Inspection technology for testing. A source close to Roskomnadzor and one of the executives at a company invited to take part said the aim was to choose the most effective technology, refine it if necessary, and then install it on the networks of all Russian telecoms operators. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 this will not end fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 why are they trying to stop it. i don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, dMog said: why are they trying to stop it. i don't get it its a hard one this to prevent terrorist attacks. Telegram says because of the way the app is built it has no access to its users' messages but when talks about terrorist attacks its a hard topic and putin no like it so in end maybe he win this one not sure i think if needed putin beat them but he trying to do in ways to not block much more then needed to but maybe he rethink and just block all it can happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 well, he must have some intel that the bad guys use it... at least he is trying to stop the terrorist attacks. they are sort of active all over the world and hard to get after for the ways they organize with not much for major communication infrastructure from the top down or the bottom up and no real large chains of command...just a lot of individual cells not really talking to each other...hard to combat that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, knowledge said: to prevent terrorist attacks. That excuse has got old we don't block Telegram in the USA and we hardly ever have terrorist attacks. Every country use terrorism as a excuse to to take peoples rights away from them, just like when they made the patriot act in my country. Use open source encryption on platforms like jabber were are not encrypted by default witch are hard to block because you install your own encryption . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 well, he must have some intel that the bad guys use it like dMog said i think sometime ago a man or a terrorist in russia used this app and then the russian gov asked to see who he was talks with the developer say he cant help so real i look at it like this lets say russia gets hit with terrorist attacks and people die and the developer will have big problems not just with gov but the russian people at this time we want it but like i said is hard topic we not want or care for peoples inboxs or messages but if was me the developer ill give the gov what it need to keep russians safe but like u people think 1st its to take away from the people in someways yes but to help us sure its not good but what is good nowdays its a russian made program i think or the developer is russian i think maybe i ajm wrong on that not sure who own what with this app but real its not blocked in russia yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, knowledge said: well, he must have some intel that the bad guys use it like dMog said i think sometime ago a man or a terrorist in russia used this app and then the russian gov asked to see who he was talks with the developer say he cant help so real i look at it like this lets say russia gets hit with terrorist attacks and people die and the developer will have big problems not just with gov but the russian people at this time we want it but like i said is hard topic we not want or care for peoples inboxs or messages but if was me the developer ill give the gov what it need to keep russians safe but like u people think 1st its to take away from the people in someways yes but to help us sure its not good but what is good nowdays its a russian made program i think or the developer is russian i think maybe i ajm wrong on that not sure who own what with this app but real its not blocked in russia yet.... I never liked Telegram no way you need to use a phone number to use it so the only way to get around it is use one of those fake phone apps on Android that will give you a phone number, anything that's needs a phone number to use a free service means if they ever backdoored it would be easy to catch most everyone that uses it , say if Germany were to decide to put backdoors in software the guy who makes Telegram would have to backdoor it or stop making it because it's not open source. He could always open the code up and let someone fork it that don't have backdoor laws and remove it, but its a long shot anyone would touch it after that happen. My friend has and app that can make phone numbers for it and other apps , they ask me did i want them to make me one, so i can talk them on there i told them no i rather just stick to using open source encryption for chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 i think Telegram was blocked in russia for sometime but then google help and facebook to change ips so then russia started to block ips its a game but who will win not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 no easy answers to just targeting terrorist when it comes to this... when everyday average people us the tech too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, knowledge said: i think Telegram was blocked in russia for sometime but then google help and facebook to change ips so then russia started to block ips its a game but who will win not sure One time Google had work around they didn't mean for it to used for that and they ban it when Russia and China asked them too . Some of our Government asked for Google to unblock it again that right there shows it may not just be terrorist they worried about the USA and other countries may of been using to talk to spies out of Russia and China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, dMog said: no easy answers to just targeting terrorist when it comes to this... when everyday average people us the tech too... see this video it show y things is happing to this app 3 minutes ago, steven36 said: One time Google had work around they didn't mean for it to used for that and they ban it when Russia and China asked them too . Some of our Government asked for Google to unblock it again that right shows it may just not be terrorist they worried about the USA and other countries may of been using to talk to spies out of Russia and China. its a security problem for much countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, knowledge said: its a security problem for much countries I posted a topic on this here while back about this work around some in the US government wants Google to unblock it but with them making a search engine for China witch is also causing a bunch of negative feedback on Google it's not in there best interest to be pissing off China when there making billon dollar deals for a new search engine . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 i think russia doing the right thing y i say this for picture this maybe oneday usa hit with terrorist attacks. and then usa say its thanks to the russian developer ? if that was to happen i am sure usa gov will have said y russia or putin not stop it or helped to try and stop it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, knowledge said: i think russia doing the right thing y i say this for picture this maybe oneday usa hit with terrorist attacks. and then usa say its thanks to the russian developer ? if that was to happen i am sure usa gov will have said y russia or putin not stop it or helped to try and stop it Well i dont know about that, spies are going to figure out away around it and so will terrorist , when 911 happen no terrorist used encryption on the internet yet .. It was after the fact and they done what they did that the government caught them on the internet barging about it on the open internet that they got info on them to catch them, they kept it secret tell after they done it. They used 2 way radios and things its hard to monitor all the radio frequencies that exist and they could be on any of them. People had already died and you can't bring them back, same as when they attacked France they didn't use Telegram they used burner phones witch are not even encrypted . Old saying is in my country is, if you take guns away from the people then only criminals will have guns. Same if they take encryption away from people then only the criminals like spies and terrorist will have it , they will just have a different way of using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 with this app and russia it will be like Chess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 27 minutes ago, knowledge said: with this app and russia it will be like Chess Apps dont do no good when they don't use the internet to communicate at all . I just read like last week about a attack in Russia , The ISIS has deemed war on your country because of Syria . That's why the USA likes to keep a war going on in the middle east so all the terrorist will gang up over there and dont be coming on US soil . You beat them over there then they come to you. How do you win against someone who thinks if they kill people and kill themselves they go to paradise . They want to die , Most people dont want that. Only way the USA was able to stop Japan who killed themselves in battle was drop the A Bomb and that was the end of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 sure maybe is best we not talk much about terrorist things as maybe google or facebook block us like this page our systems have detected as dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, knowledge said: sure maybe is best we not talk much about terrorist things as maybe google or facebook block us like this page our systems have detected as dangerous Google want block you for that people in the comments on news sites do all the time , Even on the RT website with all the USA bashing they be doing on that website if Google don't block them they not going block no site for talking about things , unless they are a terrorist site, i think you just paranoid we hardly ever talk about that on here . If nsanedown wants know why they was blocked they can request for a reason why in email ..Facebook deletes websites accounts all the time because they post things to do with warez and we also copy news post from other web post and they may not like the kind of news we post, because they have people telling them what is ok and not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 this is the man who make the program or app and the 1st comment is best Neo is real ) hahaha plus google do block rt and more look it up my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luisam Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't understand all this miss-explanation about blocking a communication systems because it might be used for terrorrist commuication. Terrorists might communicate throught the most simple e-mail service by encrypted texts using procedures any 5th grader can follow and are un-decryptable for any practical purpuse. Actually I leared to use these kind of systems when I was in 5th grade! Russian authorities want to get rid of Telegram because they want to access and control communication among gneral public. Terrorism is just an excuse! I appreciate encrypted communications systems like WhatsApp and Telegram because I want my persona affairs be kept personal and no "public domain" to be used by some government agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, knowledge said: this is the man who make the program or app and the 1st comment is best Neo is real ) hahaha plus google do block rt and more look it up my friend No it's not blocked they use Alograms that show the news sites that gets most hits. If you put in RT News in google search it all comes up just now you have to use keywords same as with many other news sites . Now Facebook will block people over anything https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/1662-defamatory-websites-contents-blocked-by-social-media-platforms-government/articleshow/65120594.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, luisam said: I don't understand all this miss-explanation about blocking a communication systems because it might be used for terrorrist commuication. Terrorists might communicate throught the most simple e-mail service by encrypted texts using procedures any 5th grader can follow and are un-decryptable for any practical purpuse. Actually I leared to use these kind of systems when I was in 5th grade! Russian authorities want to get rid of Telegram because they want to access and control communication among gneral public. Terrorism is just an excuse! I appreciate encrypted communications systems like WhatsApp and Telegram because I want my persona affairs be kept personal and no "public domainn" used by some government agency u do no usa buy the app i think watch the last video i posted and then comment back when u see what the make have to say about things like Terrorists plus look what he said about WhatsApp hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I dont use Google news no more because Google's users are biased toward some sites there users control what you see. Quote Google is biased, but not like you’d think. Any bias doesn’t come from engineers or C-level executives, but from the people who use it most often. It’s these people that train the algorithms to return relevant results, based on hundreds, perhaps thousands, of ranking signals. Things like domain age, keyword usage, social media shares, time spent on site, and user behavior after clicking a search link are what Google uses to surface relevant results, or push bad ones down in the rankings. Relevance does not necessarily equal quality, although it typically does. This is a factor Bolyard overlooked in completing her research. https://thenextweb.com/opinion/2018/08/30/institutions-not-ideology/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, steven36 said: I dont use Google news no more because Google's users are biased toward some sites there users control what you see. https://thenextweb.com/opinion/2018/08/30/institutions-not-ideology/ they did deranked rt on utube and blocked on facebook and more not sure if still do or not but still rt on utube is deranked and ads removed and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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