North Korea threatens to 'sink' Japan, reduce U.S. to 'ashes and darkness'

[rasbridge]

 

SEPTEMBER 13, 2017 / 10:55 PM

SEOUL/TOKYO (Reuters) - A North Korean state agency threatened on Thursday to use nuclear weapons to “sink” Japan and reduce the United States to “ashes and darkness” for supporting a U.N. Security Council resolution and sanctions over its latest nuclear test. 

 

The Korea Asia-Pacific Peace Committee, which handles the North’s external ties and propaganda, also called for the breakup of the Security Council, which it called “a tool of evil” made up of “money-bribed” countries that move at the order of the United States. 

 

“The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us,” the committee said in a statement carried by the North’s official KCNA news agency. 

 

Juche is the North’s ruling ideology that mixes Marxism and an extreme form of go-it-alone nationalism preached by state founder Kim Il Sung, the grandfather of the current leader, Kim Jong Un. 

 

Regional tension has risen markedly since the reclusive North conducted its sixth, and by far its most powerful, nuclear test on Sept. 3, following a series of missile tests, including one that flew over Japan. 

 

The 15-member Security Council voted unanimously on a U.S.-drafted resolution and a new round of sanctions on Monday in response, banning North Korea’s textile exports that are the second largest only to coal and mineral, and capping fuel supplies. 

 

The North reacted to the latest action by the Security Council, which had the backing of veto-holding China and Russia, by reiterating threats to destroy the United States, Japan and South Korea. 

“Let’s reduce the U.S. mainland into ashes and darkness. Let’s vent our spite with mobilization of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now,” the statement said. 

 

Japan’s Nikkei stock index and dollar/yen currency pared gains, although traders said that was more because of several Chinese economic indicators released on Thursday rather than a reaction to the North’s latest statement. 

 

South Korea’s won also edged down around the same time over domestic financial concerns.

 

Despite the North’s threats, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said he was against having nuclear weapons in his country, either by developing its own arsenal or bringing back U.S. tactical nuclear weapons that were withdrawn in the early 1990s. 

 

“To respond to North Korea by having our own nuclear weapons will not maintain peace on the Korean peninsula and could lead to a nuclear arms race in northeast Asia,” Moon said in an interview with CNN. 

 

South Korea’s Unification Ministry also said it planned to provide $8 million through the U.N. World Food Programme and UNICEF to help infants and pregnant women in the North. 

 

The move marks Seoul’s first humanitarian assistance for the North since its fourth nuclear test in January 2016 and is based on a longstanding policy of separating humanitarian aid from politics, the ministry said.

 

The North’s latest threats also singled out Japan for “dancing to the tune” of the United States, saying it should never be pardoned for not offering a sincere apology for its “never-to-be-condoned crimes against our people”, an apparent reference to Japan’s wartime aggression. 

 

It also referred to South Korea as “traitors and dogs” of the United States. 

 

Japan criticized the North’s statement harshly. 

 

“This announcement is extremely provocative and egregious. It is something that markedly heightens regional tension and is absolutely unacceptable,” Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters. 

 

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, visiting India, called for strict enforcement of the U.N. resolution, saying the world must force a change.

 

The 15-member Security Council voted unanimously on a U.S.-drafted resolution and a new round of sanctions against North Korea on Monday in response to its latest and most powerful test, banning North Korea’s textile exports that are the second largest only to coal and mineral, and capping fuel supplies. 

 

North Korea had already rejected the Security Council resolution, vowing to press ahead with its nuclear and missile programs.

 

A tougher initial U.S. draft of Monday’s resolution was weakened to win the support of China, the North’s lone major ally, and Russia. Significantly, it stopped short of imposing a full embargo on oil exports to North Korea, most of which come from China. 

 

The latest sanctions also make it illegal for foreign firms to form commercial joint ventures with North Korean entities. 

 

U.S. President Donald Trump has vowed that North Korea will never be allowed to threaten the United States with a nuclear-tipped missile, but has also asked China to do more to rein in its neighbor. China in turn favors an international response to the problem. 

 

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said the international community had reached a “high consensus” on trying to realize a peaceful solution. 

 

“We urge the relevant directly involved parties to seize the opportunity and have the political nerve to make the correct political choice as soon as possible,” Hua told a regular press briefing. 

 

The North accuses the United States, which has 28,500 troops in South Korea, of planning to invade and regularly threatens to destroy it and its Asian allies. 

 

The United States and South Korea are technically still at war with North Korea because the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended with a truce and not a peace treaty. 

 

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/u-n-security-council-to-meet-after-north-korea-fires-another-missile-over-japan-idUSKCN1BP35B

 

[knowledge-Spammer]

kim is just mad  one day things will go wrong and people will not like what happen

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[andy2004]

Bullets are cheap.. send in the MECHANIC and make it look like the LOOSER had an accident.. use the CLINTONS person they seem to be good at their job considering how many they've taken out known what she's done..

[knowledge-Spammer]

7 hours ago, 0bin said:

His cyberarmy has strength.

maybe  lets see what trump say about it again

[knowledge-Spammer]

8 hours ago, 0bin said:

I trust more, and worth more for me, Putin opinion.

russia and china can stopNorth Korea

but if all play a part in not fightin and makeing things bader  but seems usa say no  to russia and china plan so usa its on its own withNorth Korea  lets see what nato do to help fix ?

[UnknownOne]

if these f*#k wits stopped spending money on wars and more on developing technologies the human race might have a chance after we f%^k up this planet,give us a chance to make it to another planet to survive..  Best way to keep people in line is with fear.. blah blah blah terrorism justify spending blah blah blah.. I've got missiles, you've got missiles.. translates to 'look at my dick', no 'look at my dick'... Brainless twits..

[steven36]

• Donald Trump confident US options on North Korea 'effective and overwhelming'
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• White House on North Korea: There is a military option

North Korea: Are we on the brink of war? - UpFront

[DKT27]

I wish that fat man of NK done what he originally was going to do when he came to power before his advisers influenced him to concentrate on bomb making. Think of those poor people of his country.

 

Wars do not help anyone guys. It's only to be used as the last resort, that too, if it makes sense, not like I will bomb you like this fat man from NK does there.

[steven36]

27 minutes ago, DKT27 said:

Wars do not help anyone guys. It's only to be used as the last resort, that too, if it makes sense, not like I will bomb you like this fat man from NK does there.

Well  the fatman  as you call him is not suicidal  he dont want too die ether and he cares about certain things ..  People on reddit.com was making fun of it  SK  and Japan  lets him shoot bombs all around them and they could blow him off the map if they wanted.. all they do is talk ,talk , talk  . He called Trump on his bluff  here  Trump threatened North Korea With  Fire and Fury if they threaten the USA  again.. so he done it and  the white house says they not going use military action unless it's a last resort  so we already knew  what they  was going  to do was  nothing  and that's why everyone  on  reddit.com was making fun of them before they even had time too respond . He was testing Trump and Trump failed to do what he said so this makes him think he can do what he wants.

[Jogs]

Kim just wants publicity, the more you talk about him the more he will do this kind of things. Just ignoring him is the best thing to do, he will jump for a few days then will realise that its not working and will sit quiet.

[DKT27]

36 minutes ago, steven36 said:

Well  the fatman  as you call him is not suicidal  he dont want too die ether and he cares about certain things ..  People on reddit.com was making fun of it  SK  and Japan  lets him shoot bombs all around them and they could blow him off the map if they wanted.. all they do is talk ,talk , talk  . He called Trump on his bluff  here  Trump threatened North Korea With  Fire and Fury if they threaten the USA  again.. so he done it and  the white house says they not going use military action unless it's a last resort  so we already knew  what they  was going  to do was  nothing  and that's why everyone  on  reddit.com was making fun of them before they even had time too respond . He was testing Trump and Trump failed to do what he said so this makes him think he can do what he wants.

 

I wish reddit even though they might be correct, would not have any agenda of their own.

 

Also, bombing NK is not an answer either - SK would have done it decades ago.

 

23 minutes ago, Jogs said:

Kim just wants publicity, the more you talk about him the more he will do this kind of things. Just ignoring him is the best thing to do, he will jump for a few days then will realise that its not working and will sit quiet.

 

You guys can be right. But such plays with nuclear bombs is no joke for any country that too, when you throw a missile which is next to your country. Someone people say he is doing it for lifting of sections - as if that will actually help him there.

 

Also, making bombs is a different thing, threatening other countries every few days with your new toy is another thing.

[steven36]

24 minutes ago, DKT27 said:

I wish reddit even though they might be correct, would not have any agenda of their own.

They dont have a agenda  it was just  the public's  opinion of what was going on  it's not much different  that here someone post a link too news stories of the day and people blast off there opinion and they dont care as long as it's not too  controversial.  Those subs were not  made by reddit  even  they give people the ability  too make one  is all.

 

It's  a site  with 1000s  of different subs  about different subjects people tend to stay on  the same agenda as the sub users itself  or they get there post marked down are  if they act to crazy a bot mod or a real mod will delete there post.  I keep many  subs on my bookmarks toolbars  i have learned a lot  of things from people on there  it's great .

 

the company that own reddit own others blogs and  things too i think there agenda is too make money is all.

[steven36]

 

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There Is A Solution To North Korea

 

It’s not like we don’t know what to do about North Korea, a country that calls itself the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. It’s just that we keep doing the wrong thing and then hope it will work this time.

Since this is one definition of insanity, it’s no wonder our policy keeps failing. We need to wake up and do what nuclear and diplomatic experts have been trying to tell us for decades:

- drop our foolish requirement of preconditions in order to even start talking with North Korea

- drop our fantasy of complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of North Korea

- drop our preoccupation with their intercontinental ballistic missile program; nuclear is the real concern

- assure Kim Jong Un of his regime’s security, meaning we will not seek regime change, since that is what this is all about

This has become even more urgent, given that North Korea just fired another missile over Japan today. Cmdr. Dave Benham, spokesman for U.S. Pacific Command, said they detected and tracked a North Korean ballistic missile launch shortly before noon Hawaii time on Thursday.

The urge to come out punching is strong, but a very bad idea.

For starters, we might want to heed the words of the world’s most knowledgeable nuclear weapons expert, Dr. Siegfried Hecker. Director of the Los Alamos National Laboratory from 1986 to 1997 and now at Stanford, Hecker is the nuclear scientist who has most visited and inspected the North Korean nuclear facilities.

‘Kim is a tyrant, but I don’t believe he is crazy or suicidal. I believe he is deterrable,’ says Hecker. ‘3 Kims and 6 U.S. Presidents later, diplomacy can still solve the North Korea crisis.’

During the Korean War, we stopped North Korea from conquering the entire peninsula, and pledged to defend South Korea against future attack with our nuclear umbrella and by stationing thousands of troops there. From North Korea’s perspective, the Korean War never ended.

Ever since 1953, North Korea’s foreign policy and national identity has been obsessed with the threat of war with America. In order to deter us from invading, they’ve held South Korea hostage with a million troops and massive artillery staged right on the border. And they’re constantly improving their military capabilities, specifically to include nuclear weapons.

North Korea witnessed what happened to Saddam Hussein in 2003 and Muammar Qaddafi in 2011. Both dictators had nuclear weapons programs and we convinced both to give them up. Both were subsequently toppled when the United States decided they were threats. And died ignominious deaths.

Kim Jong Un, and his father before him, took those lessons to heart and concluded that the United States cannot be trusted not to invade them. The best way Kim can ensure that he doesn’t share Saddam and Muammar’s fates is to be able to hit America with a nuclear warhead.

Therefore, it is insane to think North Korea will ever completely and irreversibly denuclearize. In the modern age, nothing is irreversible anyway, even if you have to start from scratch. The knowledge and technology are out there. But we can get Kim to back off quite a bit and ratchet down the threat in the next few years before he can actually reach the U.S. mainland with an effective nuclear-tipped missile.

Unfortunately, we have not acted like we understand this. The United States has over 60 years of evidence that deterrence works, but instead of deterrence and containment that worked for Soviet Russia, and China under Mao Tse-Tung, we’ve abandoned reason for old fashioned sabre-rattling…with nukes.

The present Administration has taken this to a new level of rhetorical bluster that didn’t exist under previous Administrations, threatening to rain ‘fire and fury’ upon North Korea if it continues to threaten the United States.

‘They’re responding to our threats, it’s tit-for-tat,’ says Dave Kang, Director of the Korean Studies Institute at the University of Southern California. ‘Our [North Korean] policies are designed precisely to provoke the outcome we’re trying to avoid.’

We’d better get serious. The latest nuclear test by Kim produced a fairly large yield of about 100 kilotons (equivalent to 100 thousand tons of TNT), more than five times the size of the Fat Man that we dropped on Nagasaki in 1945. The U.S. Geological Survey says the blast produced a 6.3 magnitude earthquake, ten times the size of their previous tests.

North Korea claims it was a true fusion-type hydrogen bomb, but it was probably a hydrogen-boosted fission bomb.  Which is bad enough.

Fission bombs use a neutron to split uranium-235 or plutonium-239. One split produces about 3 new neutrons, that go on to split three more atoms, that produce 9 more neutrons, then split 27…81…boom!  In a microsecond, trillions upon trillions of splits occur. The pressure and heat of all those pieces flying apart is extreme.

However, in a normal fission bomb only a fraction of the U or Pu is split before the core explosively disassembles, stopping the reactions.

Boosting uses hydrogen gas composed of the isotopes of tritium and deuterium injected into a cavity in the fission fuel. The fissioning (or splitting) of U-235 or Pu-239 causes fusion of the hydrogen that releases a lot more high-energy neutrons that fission a lot more of the U or Pu before the core disintegrates. The fusion doesn’t add much power itself, but makes the fissioning more efficient, yielding many times more power than an unboosted fission bomb.

Whether North Korea’s latest bomb test was a true hydrogen fusion bomb, or a hydrogen-boosted fission bomb, it doesn’t much matter, says Hecker. Kim is creating a substantial nuclear arsenal.

However, an actual hydrogen bomb would put them in the elite company of the P-5 states, the United States, Russia, China, Great Britain, and France, and would definitely increase Pyongyang’s leverage should it ever come back to the negotiating table.

There are other players as well. North Korea sits between China and South Korea. China has conflicted desires - not wanting a united Korean peninsula, not wanting a nuclear DPRK, and not wanting regime change that would flood China with millions of refugees. South Korea doesn’t want to be invaded.

Talking directly with Pyongyang is just the start. Just a step to determine what might be a sane future without inadvertently crossing some red line that neither of us knows exists.

But we will not succeed unless we address the real issue with this regime – Kim’s survival.

And we need to start talking.

Dr. James Conca is an expert on energy, nuclear and dirty bombs, a planetary geologist, and a professional speaker. Follow him on Twitter @jimconca and see his book at Amazon.com

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/09/14/there-is-a-solution-to-north-korea/

 

[DKT27]

2 hours ago, steven36 said:

They dont have a agenda  it was just  the public's  opinion of what was going on  it's not much different  that here someone post a link too news stories of the day and people blast off there opinion and they dont care as long as it's not too  controversial.  Those subs were not  made by reddit  even  they give people the ability  too make one  is all.

 

It's  a site  with 1000s  of different subs  about different subjects people tend to stay on  the same agenda as the sub users itself  or they get there post marked down are  if they act to crazy a bot mod or a real mod will delete there post.  I keep many  subs on my bookmarks toolbars  i have learned a lot  of things from people on there  it's great .

 

the company that own reddit own others blogs and  things too i think there agenda is too make money is all.

 

I guess you do know about it, but still, I will mention, there is an history to reddit, both political - CEO level and social one and quite a controversial one. I'm not taking any sides here, but if reddit is indeed neutral, they should not have taken any sides - except in cases where it effects them, but they did do so.

 

Then there is also this. Check the vote % too, last time I checked it was in 90s, now, it's 80%.

 

I do not know. From the time they changed to /all, there seems to something wrong with their site. Not only they are attracting only one particular side of the political opinion and have a huge base for it, but I feel they are doing something that increases those numbers even further. I can always create an account and stick to the things I like, but the way reddit is going is really concerning to me, who tries his best to be politically neutral - in an ideal way.

 

Then there is also some subs, which we cannot blame on the site itself but are awful. India's own almost official sub is taken over by extremists who are continuously banning people who do not agree with them. I can even link an article someone wrote, even though it does not cover it all - like the fact that some of the mods there are not even Indian. But it will be too controversial, so lets not go into it.

 

 

Coming back to the issue. I think all is not lost with NK, as long as it does not fire any actual nuclear bomb, it's fine. The issue is someone also mentioned that with these bombs, NK can also sell these bombs to extremists and make a money out of it.

[steven36]

26 minutes ago, DKT27 said:

 

I do not know. From the time they changed to /all, there seems to something wrong with their site. Not only they are attracting only one particular side of the political opinion and have a huge base for it, but I feel they are doing something that increases those numbers even further. I can always create an account and stick to the things I like, but the way reddit is going is really concerning to me, who tries his best to be politically neutral - in an ideal way.

There is something wrong with there site ..they are a USA site with a active canary being head  over there head ..If what people  say in those political subs bother you it's best to just stay away from them and visit some of the subs about outer things.. I go too many sites to read the news and listen too opinions from there readers  .. I'm a independent  so i like too keep up with both sides of the story  and peoples views but i dont make it my life... I rather be reading  about software , Security ,  privacy or piracy lol.

[DKT27]

9 minutes ago, steven36 said:

There is something wrong with there site ..they are a USA site with a active canary being head  over there head ..If what people  say in those political subs bother you it's best to just stay away from them and visit some of the subs about outer things.. I go too many sites to read the news and listen too opinions from there readers  .. I'm a independent  so i like too keep up with both sides of the story  and peoples views but i dont make it my life... I rather be reading  about software , Security ,  privacy or piracy lol.

 

The main issue I see is it's becoming completely political. All subs are being taken over by politics and clickbait politics. By making /all, reddit took it even forward. This is not why I started visiting reddit, I was there for good content, not some political fighting nonsense.

 

This is when I also realized this is what was happening to nsane.forums. This is when I decided enough is enough. We are all for freedom of speech and opinions, but this is getting too much. Too much non-important politics are getting posted here which goes against our policies like quality over quantity and are also dividing the community. Threads like these, which are really important for people, make an exception here.

[TheDude]

It's JUST hot air threats.

 

Kim knows NK would be wiped off the map if they actually made good on a first strike against anyone. 

[flash48]

21 hours ago, andy2004 said:

Bullets are cheap.. send in the MECHANIC and make it look like the LOOSER had an accident.. use the CLINTONS person they seem to be good at their job considering how many they've taken out known what she's done..

 

Good idea but any foreigner in NK requires an escort.  What we need is a Korean mechanic.  Perhaps SK is already working on it.

[pc71520]

Now that North Korea developed  ICBMs,

it may negotiate with the U.S. on another basis.

[knowledge-Spammer]

 

[knowledge-Spammer]

 

[knowledge-Spammer]

Trump: 'We will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea

we wait for this to happen ?

 

[rasbridge]

I am eager for Trump to meet with Kim.