Is Microsoft blocking Win7/8.1 updates on Kaby Lake and Ryzen chips?

[Karlston]

KB 4012982 says that Microsoft will prevent updates on the newer hardware, but has actually seen one of the error messages?

Credit: Stuart Seeger

 

It's hard to pin down the source of a flame war like the one currently underway in the Windows blog echo chamber. Yes, Microsoft's KB 4012982, published last week, says that Microsoft will actively block Win7 and 8.1 updates on the newer hardware. There's a mighty AMD Reddit thread on the topic. Bloggers are beating their chests about it, although  Microsoft first warned about the direction more than a year ago.

 

What I want to know: Have you seen the warning message?

 

I've looked high and low and can't find anybody running a Kaby Lake or Ryzen processor (or Qualcomm 8996, for that matter) who's had their Win7 or 8.1 patches blocked.

 

According to Microsoft, attempting to update Win7 or 8.1 on one of those newer machines should result in errors:

 

When you try to scan or download updates through Windows Update, you receive the following error message:

Unsupported Hardware

Your PC uses a processor that isn't supported on this version of Windows  and you won't receive updates.

Additionally, you may see an error message on the Windows Update window that resembles the following:

Windows could not search for new updates

An error occurred while checking for new updates for your computer.

Error(s) found:

Code 80240037 Windows Update encountered an unknown error.

A Win 8.1 user named JayzTwoCents posted a video on YouTube showing that he was able to install and update Win 8.1 on a Kaby Lake processor on Jan. 24. Has something changed since then?

 

If Microsoft is blocking Win7 or 8.1 patches on Kaby Lake or Ryzen processors, will running through WSUS Offline Update -- which downloads and installs patches independently of Windows Update -- bypass the block?

 

If you've been blocked, I'd sure like to hear about it. Post your real world results on the AskWoody Lounge.

 

Source: Is Microsoft blocking Win7/8.1 updates on Kaby Lake and Ryzen chips? (InfoWorld - Woody Leonhard)

[steven36]

Who cares if updates  works on  it or not  The thing is Intel or AMD are not making Drivers for it. Even if it does work and the update caused a problem with you're chip  it would be on you because updates is not supported  They hacked XP updates for awhile  but these updates were not tested for XP they was for Windows server . The updates want be tested to work on Kaby Lake or Ryzen processors it would take a rich person who just likes blowing stuff up or a poor idiot too do this . If you want too use old windows just buy older hardware new that is supported and save some money . If i'm  going to play blow stuff up i  use my older PC  I never do this on my newest one.

[PrEzi]

The usual Windows 10 defender. I have expected no-one else than him.

Actually the Motherboard vendors have already delivered completely working drivers for RyZEN MoBos & Windows 7.

Intel is another story.

 

I remind some of the W10 fanboys that e.g. W8.1 is still within FULL support till 2018 (and extended till 2022 or 2023 (I honestly don't bother to remember)) so this is f**ng ridiculous what M$ is doing.

Hopefully they will be sued their A$$es off with a nice fat class-action lawsuit.

[steven36]

1 hour ago, PrEzi said:

The usual Windows 10 defender. I have expected no-one else than him.

Actually the Motherboard vendors have already delivered completely working drivers for RyZEN MoBos & Windows 7.

Intel is another story.

 

I remind some of the W10 fanboys that e.g. W8.1 is still withing FULL support till 2018 (and extended till 2022 or 2023 (I honestly don't bother to remember)) so this is f**ng ridiculous what M$ is doing.

Hopefully they will be sued their A$$es off with a nice fat class-action lawsuit.

It may be fully supported for another year  but not  it's not supported on new processors . You can't go out and buy a PC  with  Kaby Lake or Ryzen processors with Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and you're PC vendor  dont have drivers  for old windows for these processors.. .If you want too use Newer hardware and it be supported  and don't want too use Windows 10 you need to use Linux . You know why Woody cant find no one with these processors using old windows? because no one is this crazy . If you want too  go out and buy a Kaby Lake or Ryzen processor and worry about it messing you're system up every time you gets updates be my guest !

 

The way Microsoft is it could work today and  them add detection in one of  the next few rounds of updates....  I know it's not very hard too do I remember being on XP that came with SP 1 and not being able  to install stuff  without installing  SP3 . Dont get angry with me it's not my fault  it's Microsoft whos doing it not me.

 

 

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TheGuruStud said:Isn't this illegal?

You pay for this pos OS and are to receive updates as long as m$ supports the OS. They're defrauding customers. There's no technical reason.

I bet it doesn't say this if I install windows 8 on a pentium 1 (assuming I had enough ram).

 

No? When you bought Windows 7 or 8 you didn't have a Ryzen. You had a full year to upgrade to 10 if you had such a license. There is no realistic reason left to build a new Ryzen system and buy or use a license that is outdated and was intended for a different system not even considering the fact that your OEM license will be locked to your old motherboard and thus platform while Ryzen is on a new socket, and even if you have a full (non OEM/builders) license, you also had a free upgrade opportunity that you explicitly chose not to use.

Your choice to stay on 7 or 8 is entirely your own.

Nonetheless this 'no 7/8 support for new CPUs' is a complete non issue regardless, for 18-20 EUR you've got yourself a new license for 10, and the idea that you need to stay on 7 or 8 for whatever reason makes no sense when you build a new system.

It may also be worth noticing that the official support for 7 has already ended in 2015 and for 8 will end in 2018, all it gets now is 'extended' support which means critical security patches and that is all.

And here is the kicker: Microsoft has a best-in-business support cycle for its OS versions.

 

 

[Karlston]

2 hours ago, steven36 said:

The thing is Intel or AMD are not making Drivers for it.

 

Give it time Steven.

 

They'll come to their senses. It's a foolhardy company that ignores the nearly 75% (~ 1 billion Windows users)  who clearly don't want Windows 10.

[steven36]

1 hour ago, Karlston said:

 

Give it time Steven.

 

They'll come to their senses. It's a foolhardy company that ignores the nearly 75% (~ 1 billion Windows users)  who clearly don't want Windows 10.

Only computer geeks would even attempt  to run a new processor  with Windows 7 or 8.1 . No normal user knows how too fix it when it breaks, most users of Windows 7 dont even know Microsoft  are not going to support Windows 7 or 8.1 with these processors and they dont even care . When there PC stops working  they will buy a new one. Only computer geeks and Gamers really care about the PC  and normal users just know how to turn it on is about all .  It's not just some people dont like Windows 10  ,  PCs have not sold good in many years and there's over a billion using smartphones now lol. Only in the windows computer geek part of  the internet this is a problem . It not not problem to normal users  of any windows OS  or is it a Problem to people on Windows 10 already.

 

A lot of computer geeks use Linux this is good news for Linux . Every reddi post  i read on  this people are saying use Linux  instead . I'm a computer geek but not a PC gamer and  they not made a good processor  since they made PCs for Vista that cant do what I use a PC for . So i dont see what the fuss is about really I'm in no rush to go out and buy a PC or new processor regardless of what OS I use.. I just bought a new PC  at the end of 2015.

 

2 out of 3 of my PCs  are OEM meaning if i was to buy a processor Id have too buy windows again witch they dont even sell windows 8.1 anymore I  would have get it on eBay or something  too much trouble when what i have works fine for me.  'm sure not going to build a new PC and Pirate Windows lol   . People didn't buy Windows 8x PC much when they was new So why would they buy a PC or new processor  now to put old windows on it ?  If its not broke why fix it.

[steven36]

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Blocking Windows 7, 8.1 updates for Kaby Lake, Ryzen chips appears imminent

It looks like a policy announced a year ago is going to kick in.

A recently published Knowledge Base article suggests that Microsoft is going to block Windows Updates for owners of the latest Intel and AMD processors if they try to run Windows 7 or 8.1.

Last year, Microsoft announced a shift in the way it would support Windows. Going forward, new processors, including Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's recently-released Ryzen, would require the newest version of Windows. Users of Windows 7 and 8.1 would be out of luck, with Microsoft having no plans to support the new chips on the old operating systems.

 

Skylake was originally going to be included in this policy, too, but Microsoft partially relented, switching instead to a policy of providing only security fixes for Skylake systems running Windows 7 and 8.1. This makes no practical difference for Windows 7, since that is in extended support already. Software in extended support only receives security fixes, and Windows 7 will continue to do so until 2020. In principle it means that Windows 8.1 users might miss out. That operating system is in mainstream support until January 2018, and during mainstream support Microsoft can potentially deliver feature improvements and other non-security updates. In practice, this is unlikely; Windows 10 is the only operating system receiving any meaningful feature development now, with Windows 8.1 only likely to receive security fixes from now until its end of support in 2023 anyway.

 

Somewhat surprisingly, it looks as if Microsoft is going to actively enforce this restriction for Kaby Lake and Ryzen processors. Rather than mere benign neglect (not actively testing new patches on the new processors, but not stopping anyone from hitting Windows Update and installing them), the Knowledge Base article would suggest that Microsoft intends to implement a hard block, with Windows Update completely shutting out these new processors. This doesn't seem to have taken effect just yet, and this week's Patch Tuesday updates seem to download and work on Ryzen and Kaby Lake systems. The existence of the KB article, however, suggests that it's only a matter of time before that changes.

 

 

Using Windows 7 on these latest systems is already awkward in many situations; the operating system has no built-in support for USB 3 or NVMe. While neither hurdle is insurmountable, both can cause headaches during installation. Installing on Windows 8.1, however, is relatively smooth sailing, and with Kaby Lake's overwhelming similarity to Skylake, dropping support does feel rather unnecessary.

We've asked Microsoft for comment, but received no response as yet.

 

By Peter Bright

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/microsoft-is-getting-ready-to-block-windows-updates-for-old-windows-on-new-chips/

These new processors are crap on windows 7 already and Windows 8.1 have the same stigma as Vista with a low marketshare so the argument there trying to drive people to Windows 10 is Null and void. It would not even make a difference i doubt if they allow you  use them with windows 8.1  . It never been threat too Windows 7 or Windows 10..with a  6.87 % marketshare 

[PrEzi]

6 hours ago, steven36 said:

By Peter Bright

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/microsoft-is-getting-ready-to-block-windows-updates-for-old-windows-on-new-chips/

These new processors are crap on windows 7 already and Windows 8.1 have the same stigma as Vista with a low marketshare so the argument there trying to drive people to Windows 10 is Null and void. It would not even make a difference i doubt if they allow you  use them with windows 8.1  . It never been threat too Windows 7 or Windows 10..with a  6.87 % marketshare 

 

6,87 % translates to what? a few mills of users ? more ? 

 

Try this kind of bullcrap with a car manufacturer --- sorry but you cannot change your tires and buy some replacement parts for your 2 year old car (with a 3 year warranty etc) because your car is already a last year model and we already focus on a new one. Please buy it, yours is now obsolete.

Or better example  --- sorry you cannot fuel your car anymore because there are Teslas. Plese buy one and shut the hell up.

 

This is not just warning the users that they haven't tested the updates with the new CPUs (they don't test the updates anyway ... ).

This is shoveling down the throat the W10 AGAIN (differently) and ARTIFICIALLY blocking the normal updates that would work just perfectly fine.

[steven36]

1 hour ago, PrEzi said:

6,87 % translates to what? a few mills of users ? more ?

its  a lot but there battle was with a OS called XP  witch dont even get updates anymore  that have a 8.45 % marketshare Windows 8.1  have been batting with XP  since 2014 and still  XP is ahead of it, People like Woody spent years slamming Windows 8x and then Windows 10 came out they forgot about Windows 8  I used it for a few years i dont have nothing against it. But Windows 7 have half the market already of all desktop OS if you added that little bit Windows 8.1 has  to windows 10 that would still not give them the numbers they need to move in 1st place.  Just like people like me never used Vista many people on Windows 10 never used Windows 8.1  and many people on Windows 7 never used Vista or Windows 8.1  or Windows 10

 

. In a few more years when Windows 7 witch has half the marketshare  stops getting updates at all is going blow peoples mind if  this bothers some of you now . If Microsoft does what they say by 2024 they want support but one OS a unified Windows is there plan it will be  no more Windows 7 ,Windows 8.1 vs windows 10 it will just be windows vs mac and  Linux    This is if Google dont make something too compete  with Windows desktop by then.

 

The point is Windows 10 didn't get it's 25.19 % marketshare from hardware upgrades  It works on even some old hardware that most Linux distros wont even work on , Most Windows 10 users are on Pre-Skylake hardware  and old AMD processors. They not pulled a success with windows since Windows 7 

[Karlston]

6 hours ago, steven36 said:

So why would buy a PC or new processor  now to put old windows on?

 

For stabilty? (Older OS's have their feature set set in concrete, With Windows 10 anything and everything is up for change. And that's the main reason Windows 10 updates are so flaky.)

 

For maturity? (How can an OS that is continually changing core features ever be mature?)

 

For user control? (Windows 10 installs are owned by nanny Microsoft... 'nuff said.)

 

One of the great fallacies is that newer is always better, and ditto its implication that older is always worse.

 

/sits back and enjoys being in control of my mature and stable Skylake Windows 8.1 install

[Karlston]

A good overview on Ars Technica...  Blocking Windows 7, 8.1 updates for Kaby Lake, Ryzen chips appears imminent

 

WARNING: Windows 10 and Microsoft fans should avoid reading the comments.

 

Cue (another) Microsoft backdown?

[steven36]

13 hours ago, Karlston said:

/sits back and enjoys being in control of my mature and stable Skylake Windows 8.1 install

Lol thats what anyone on Windows 8.1 one or lower should be doing anyways  no normal home user that uses windows 7 or 8.1  cares most people at this site dont bother too comment at  all  because we all get called Windows 10 fanboys even  if we mostly use Linux . So all 5  of you have  fun wallowing in the mire.  If you use Windows period Microsoft still controls you, they control when you stop getting updates  witch leads too software devs  doping support as well . Also  they are going too control what processors you can use  I will be testing  Windows 10 creators update soon while people still on Windows 8.1 sulk about there's no future in the past . lol

 

Vista never got no special treatment like XP did  Software  Devs   drooped support for Vista before it even ran out of updates   this what you have too look forward to using windows 8.1 . No one cares about a OS that a 15 year old OS that not got updates since 2014 has a higher marketshare  value of but the few million that use it , just like some clanged to Vista all these years.

 

Windows users have always had a problem letting go of there old OSes . It did not begin with windows 10 , Windows 98 users swore they never upgrade to Windows XP ,Windows XP users swore the never upgrade to Windows 7 and most did  . China got so mad at Microsoft for drooping XP  they raided Microsoft China  and threaten to ban Windows 8x  and still most of the marketshare for XP  is in China.  Just like Windows 7 is stronger in places were people can go too the shop and get  any pirated software they want loaded up on a PC that dont have a OS or a free OS . M$ want never get no money from them no how.

 

Windows 7 Marketshare is still strong in Asia , South America and Africa. Windows 10 has passed Windows 7 in North America , Oceania and it will soon pass Windows 7 in Europe if it keeps gaining marketshare. It's not doing bad for a 19 month old OS.  like you  old Windows OS fanboys claim 

 

Businesses  that get audited dont even have a choice but to take the Windows 10 plunge or switch to Linux or MAC  before windows 7 updates runs out most of them dont even have any windows 8.1  lic keys ..they missed the boat they stop selling Windows 7 and 8.1  in Nov 2016 .

 

ITs guys  are good at debating reasons why Microsoft should extend there graduate  for these old OS but there not the ones that have too try and support these OSes for 10 years and why they get paid regardless of what windows they use Microsoft  is losing money hand over foot . 

 

I dont think you people  get it Microsoft  looks at Windows 8 as one the worse mistakes they ever made they never made no money on it and they dont make no money off windows 7 any more  they dont even sell ether one anymore. It's not about what the consumer wants it about Microsoft making a profit  and the only thing that will make Microsoft pull back  is if  a lot changed to Linux and Mac OS  and.then that digs into there baking account.and sinks into there mind that they may never get anymore money from you anymore.

 

As long as you stay on old windows Microsoft will keep messing with you tell these OS go obsolete . They would stop making Windows before they would not gain a profit from it.  They dont listen to reason anymore the last time they did they lost a ton of money from XP still getting updates  And there not making any money off  Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 anymore you're costing them money . They will use any loop hole they can find to get you buy a new PC  with windows 10  or a Windows 10 lic key.

 

They only thing that made Microsoft pull back in the Game console wars was  users  started switching to Sony .  When it comes to Desktop Microsoft have no reason too listen  to the  consumer because most all of you are stuck on windows . Even if people started switching to non Microsoft desktop OS by the millions witch its not going happen anytime soon it looks like it  will not save Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 from it's fate. It would  only make them compromise to make a better OS for the future.

 

 

I been watching people complain about Microsoft now for 19 months and there still stuck on Windows complaining  it's not I'm a  fan of Microsoft  I dont even care about them . It's I'm lead to believe that  when 2020 comes Windows 7 will be just like XP  and most all on Windows 7 will move on to windows 10 if the past keeps repeating it's self  and Microsoft stays the  monopoly  on desktop they are today. They give you 10 years longer than any other Desktop OS to use there software and you just complain and want more they even offered you Windows 10 so you could extended that for free .

 

The maximum Linux gives any LTS release is 5 years and they will drop you like a hot potato that's software updates and security  updates . The Linux community may be small but at lest most are loyal to Linux  . The more i see people fuss and bicker about Windows  the more it makes me want  to stay on Linux altogether . I'm not buying Windows ever I never have I only buy PCs with windows on them . And if they ever tried to charge me for it i would wipe it and replace it with Linux instead of dual booting Linux with Windows like I do now.

[Karlston]

12 hours ago, steven36 said:

no normal home user that uses windows 7 or 8.1  cares

 

Most sweeping generalisations, including this one, are wrong.

 

My posts should have made it blindingly obvious, even to you, that I do care. I care that Microsoft has made a huge cock-up of Windows 10, and its rollout, and its bullshit updates-must-be-applied-immediately-or-the-universe-will-end strategy, and lots more.

 

12 hours ago, steven36 said:

most people at this site dont bother too comment at  all  because we all get called Windows 10 fanboys even 

 

Perhaps, but not from me. I abhor/detest/loathe/hate the terms "fanboy" and "hater" because they're used by fools who have no counter argument. They can''t or won't argue, so they just cheaply dismiss any argument they disagree with by resorting to childish schoolyard name calling.

 

If I, or you, or anyone else expresses an opinion, AND backs it up with reasons, then that stimulates healthy debate. Not everyone is right every time. Not even me.

 

'nuff said...

[banned]

To heck with Windows Vista through 10, I would still use Windows XP with these CPUs if I could. No doubt there's probably no drivers available for the mainboard chipsets though...

 

At some point I will probably end up running Windows XP on top of a newer versions of Windows, stripping it down to the core and running XP in a full screen virtual machine...

[steven36]

4 hours ago, banned said:

To heck with Windows Vista through 10, I would still use Windows XP with these CPUs if I could. No doubt there's probably no drivers available for the mainboard chipsets though...

 

 

I was just thinking about this how do they think people on xp felt when they made vista and Microsoft made windows witch were not not compatible with there old hardware and then they forced many too go out and buy new PCs  with windows 7  on them so they could still get windows updates . At lest you can go on eBay and other places and buy old hardware for Windows 7 and 8.1 and get windows updates for as long as it's supported. Many people stayed behind on XP  because they couldn't or just didn't want too  buy new pcs . So this not the 1st time Microsoft pulled something like this they done it with Vista and Windows 7 .And got away with it on windows 7 too . And whatever OS they make when Windows 7 runs out of updates they most likely will pull it off again .

 

People never learn .Lol  a lot of people went out and bought windows 7 pcs 2011- 2014  and in  about 2 years and 9 mths they will not have updates again .I  know windows 10 runs on old hardware now but i dont even know if new windows will still work on old hardware in 2 years and 9 mths. I hope it does for everyone who wants or have to have updates sake . If people didnt think they needed updates these new chips would not even be a problem  they would just turn off updates .

 

So this proves my point that every one will start migrating to new windows soon lol. In 2 years and 9 mths Kaby lake and Ryzen will be out dated tech even. So I would hold off and see what happens when Windows 7 runs out of updates instead of doing hardware upgrades right now   Its just like people who bought Skylake last year its outdated now and windows users had a fit  and Microsoft gave in ..

 

Kaby lake and Ryzen will be outdated by the time Windows 7 runs out of updates so many will be stuck with old hardware and newer windows anyway if they upgrade now and if they dont stop updates with Kaby lake and Ryzen  sooner or latter old windows will become non compatible anyway like is happening on Windows 7 already .

 

 

4 hours ago, banned said:

At some point I will probably end up running Windows XP on top of a newer versions of Windows, stripping it down to the core and running XP in a full screen virtual machine...

 

You dont even  need windows too do this  it works in Linux too,  you can run XP or any windows in a vm  with a  pci passthrough and it be fast as shit lol .

https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/

Linux Server and some other installs on Linux are mostly just Cores you build like you want anyway. If i still used just XP  i would see no reason to even use windows anymore too boot up in at all if i wanted to run it on a new PC or new hardware  in a VM.