Karlston Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Here are the details on the undocumented patch that mysteriously appeared yesterday Credit: NARA Yesterday, I started receiving reports of a recommended update that suddenly appeared in the Windows Update listing for some Windows 7 and 8.1 machines. (As "recommended," it may appear in your Windows Update Optional list, or in your Important list.) There's no KB number, which means you can't uninstall it via the "Uninstall an update" dialog, and links from Windows Update turned up nonexistent pages. Running a search for "8/19/2016 10.1.2.80" through the Windows Update Catalog results in 55 different downloads, all of which appear to be identical. They all have the same filename, and a random hex file comparison came up with no differences (thx to td and DougCuk). The description in the Update Catalog says it's an "INTEL USB driver update released in August 2016," and individual files are for a wide variety of processors and USB Enhanced Host Controller types. The closest driver update I could find on the Intel site is the "Intel(R) Server Chipset Driver for Windows" version 10.1.2.77, dated Aug. 29. The dates don't line up, the version numbers don't jibe (10.1.2.77 on the Intel site, 10.1.2.80 in Windows Update), and the size is wrong (the Intel download is 2.71 MB, where the Windows Update download is 67 KB). AskWoody poster John Hillig, referencing the Viper site, says: Intel Chipset INF 10.1.2.77 -- 08/03/16 Is Not WHQL and has the chipset type CAT/INF files packaged into Intels SetupChipset.exe stand alone installer. Intel Chipset INF 10.1.2.80 -- 08/19/16 via Windows Update Is WHQL and is packaged as separate chipset type CAT/INF files for install by Windows INF installer. Which explains the differences in version numbers, dates, and file sizes. Overnight, Windows guru Günter Born took apart the download and came to some interesting conclusions. Writing on his blog Born's Tech and Windows World, he describes how the patch appears to be destined for Broadwell and Haswell chips and for "some hardware components." Tearing into an .inf file he found this description: ; ** Filename: AvotonUSB.inf ** ; ** Abstract: Assigns the null driver to devices ** ; ** for yellow-bang removal and ** ; ** brands Intel(R) devices ** Born examined many of the files and concludes, "The .inf files for new CPU chip sets contains a list of device ids for drivers, needed to support the CPU chipset." He concludes that the drivers -- null drivers, which don't do anything -- are placeholders that define device IDs for various motherboard components, getting rid of the yellow "!" in Device Manager. That seems innocuous enough, but it looks like the installer wipes out whatever device drivers may already exist. Born cites two examples: I found a case here, where the optional update replaced an already installed and needed SMBus driver -- so the user was no more able to read its DIMM temperature, using Intel Desktop Utilities. A 2nd incident has been reported as a user comment within my German blog post. The user reported, that his Wi-Fi adapter stalled after installing this optional update. Bottom line: At best, installing this patch will remove some of the yellow bangs in Device Manager. At worst it'll break an already-good driver. Avoid it. Source: Don't install this patch: Intel System 8/19/2016 12:00:00 AM 10.1.2.80 (InfoWorld - Woody Leonhard) Bottom line: Don’t install the ‘INTEL – System – 8/19/2016 12:00:00 AM – 10.1.2.80’ patch (AskWoody) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALLONN7 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 14 months ago... Intel + Microsoft = A New Era of Amazing Experiences... After two "beatings"... what Intel is waiting to ask for divorce?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 It's possible for Microsoft to give you a bad driver it happened too me back when windows 10 first came out but they fixed it when TH2 came out , But it's more possible these 3rd party driver updater tools would install a bad driver . Chipset drivers can be downloaded from Intel or AMD and you're corrupter vendor , if they installed a bad driver if it didn't blow you're system up were you cant reboot its easy enough to install working ones . I most the time only let Microsoft install my graphics driver for windows 10 and then I turn it off installing drivers . You can just hide drivers in older versions of windows and install you're own . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 Rule #1 (one of them): Don't let Windows Update update your drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Karlston said: Rule #1 (one of them): Don't let Windows Update update your drivers. If I didn't let Microsoft install my Graphics driver on my AMD PC i would have none if you use the AMD live update tool they say they dont exist . Always others i tried are buggy. So you make no sense you install what works best , On my Intel machine if i try install chipset drivers not made for they just dont install but those driver updater programs will force install stuff and mess you up I had Microsoft give me a bad driver once but its long been fixed by them, it was easy to fix by installing my own drivers but I installed AMD drivers from 3rd party driver updater i ended having to do a restore because i could not boot into windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 You can't manually download and install AMD graphics drivers? Download AMD Drivers & Software for Radeon, FirePro, APU, desktops and laptops IME (for NVidia graphics drivers), the latest are almost always buggy, and the best way to find the latest stable version is to read through the NVidia forum thread for the latest driver, and note which version is being recommended the most to go back to. Then download it, uninstall old driver, install new driver. Spending some time IMO, beats click-and-bork-system every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Karlston said: You can't manually download and install AMD graphics drivers? Download AMD Drivers & Software for Radeon, FirePro, APU, desktops and laptops IME (for NVidia graphics drivers), the latest are always buggy, and the best way to find the latest stable version is to read through the NVidia forum thread for the latest driver, and note which version is being recommended the most to go back to. Then download it, uninstall old driver, install new driver. Spending some time IMO, beats click-and-bork-system every time. I have a legacy card AMD handed the driver support over to Microsoft for windows 10 back when Windows 10 1st came the only working drivers that were out were beta for my card and they was for Windows 10 insider from before Windows 10 came out as a release I still have them amd-catalyst-15.6-beta-software-suite-win8.1-64bit-june22 2015 When windows 10 came out in July they drop support at AMD and they would no longer install and it was not tell TH2 came out that M$ got working drivers for my card that's why I went back to windows 8.1 for awhile i dont like using beta drivers. The ones from From Microsoft work good on my PC now so what is you're point? besides you're Anti-Microsoft stuck using Windows. 15.7 or newer would not work but Microsoft installs working ones every time. Why would I hunt all over the internet to try solve this issue I have again when Microsoft fixed it for me? These may will work these Apha drivers but its the same exact thing Microsoft installs for me on windows updates EG Microsoft Update Catalog AMD Catalyst™ Driver for World of Warships for Windows http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/WorldofWarships.aspx it has too be AMD Catalyst™ Display Driver version 15.201.1151 and AMD did not release them tell September 18th, 2015 http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/GRAPHICS-BOARD/AMD/AMD-Catalyst-Graphics-Driver-152011151-64-bit.shtml Also here is that driver as beta AMD Catalyst™ 15.11.1 Beta Driver for Windows http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-catalyst-windows-beta.aspx I rather Microsoft install them since the ones i have were approved by AMD for use on Windows 10 updates ( MS WHQL). If you had as much trouble as i did with drivers when Windows 10 1st came out you would understand many had trouble on all vendors but was fixed pretty fast mine did not get fixed tell TH2 came out. Show me were i can find stable at not installed by Microsoft or the update catalog for my PC ? My Dell witch is Intel that came with Windows 8.1 free upgrade to windows 10 caused problems if you tired to clean install with the WiFi you would have no internet unless you downloaded the Dell Wifi that also got fixed when TH2 came out now i have two working WiFis . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 AMD gave the support for my card too Microsoft I use AMD Radeon™ 6000 Series Drivers my card is not listed http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-6000-Series-Drivers.aspx And the Legacy drivers AMD provide dont even work for my card , Catalyst Software Suite 15.7.1 want install on my system and the Catalyst and display driver Microsoft gives is newer and works And the Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.2.1 Beta dont work ether they offer i tired it even though they say the support 6000 Series they don't mine ! http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=legacy3&os=Windows+10+-+64 My PC came with Windows 8 that's the kind of support AMD gave me after 4 years .well really 3 years i started having problems when they released 15.7.0 Microsoft has better Legacy support for AMD than AMD does . Same on Linux (Arch Linux) has better Legacy support for AMD than AMD or the rest of the Linux Distros does . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 hours ago, steven36 said: The ones from From Microsoft work good on my PC now so what is you're point? Point = Microsoft just pushes the latest drivers at users and latest = buggiest. I prefer the horde of download-milliseconds-after-release zealots do the beta-testing for me. 2 hours ago, steven36 said: besides you're Anti-Microsoft Indeed, thank you. Plenty of us about too, Microsoft is pissing off users in so many ways, so my position seems fair. 2 hours ago, steven36 said: Why would I hunt all over the internet to try solve this issue I have again when Microsoft fixed it for me? To maintain the stability of my systems, I'd rather analyse and download drivers myself. I trust Microsoft about as far as... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 41 minutes ago, Karlston said: Point = Microsoft just pushes the latest drivers at users and latest = buggiest. I prefer the horde of download-milliseconds-after-release zealots do the beta-testing for me. Indeed, thank you. Plenty of us about too, Microsoft is pissing off users in so many ways, so my position seems fair. To maintain the stability of my systems, I'd rather analyse and download drivers myself. I trust Microsoft about as far as... Still all the shit you say dont solve my problem or would AMD only Microsoft solved it drivers that want install or botch my PC because some 3rd party software installed are worthless! It's Microsoft's responsibility to make sure you're PC works OK with Windows 10 for as long as they give you updates . Intel , AMD and others just want too sell you new Hardware even though Intel has the better track record they all want is too sell you something made for windows 10 is all..Same problem on Linux with AMD too Intel has OK drivers for Linux nothing to brag about though. They did not like the fact that Millions of people got windows for free for years they depended on Microsoft to sell windows to vendors to sell new hardware. Even many windows users seem to not like it ..if Windows 10 would of not been free for a year no one would of cared tell 2019 but people who buys new Windows every time they release new I use too always wait some years tell i needed a new PC . there's over 1.5 billion users on Windows . Over a billion people never have turned auto updates off they didnot get that many users because windows break down . People who use Windows 7 and 8.1 had been installing auto updates for years no one cared but geeks tell they put GwX in older O/S now that's not even in windows 7 or 8.1. they have a telemetry update in it still to makes sure Windows updates run ok is all. It must suck to hate Microsoft and still use there stuff . As long as you use there products no matter what you say they will always hold the upper hand . Now people who moved off to other O/S not by Microsoft that hate Microsoft they can back it up because they really done something too change . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vjcobra Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Thanks a lot Kariston .. Re-installed Intel Chipset INF 10.1.2.77 and my Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 laptop fan finally worked again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 thanks fo the tip. i have the windows update service disabled on my pc and sometimes i let it run manualy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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