Study: Cops kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more coverage

[rasbridge]

Study: Cops kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more coverage

July 7, 2016

 

A study posted by a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice shows that more whites are killed by police than blacks or Hispanics but that blacks are three times more likely to die if the racial breakdown of the population is taken into account.

 

The study comes out as two more high-profile deaths of black men at the hands of police have generated outrage across the country.  A video showing police in Baton Rouge shooting an unarmed black man outside a convenience store is already being investigated by the Justice Department.  And a Facebook video of the aftermath of the shooting of a Minnesota black man is also roiling the black community.

 

Washignton Times:

As researchers are quick to point out, FBI data on police shootings by race is notoriously incomplete, which may explain why Peter Moskos, assistant professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York, decided to use figures from the website Killed by Police.

Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races.

His results, posted last week on his blog Cop in the Hood, arrived with several caveats, notably that 25 percent of the website’s data, which is drawn largely from news reports, failed to show the race of the person killed.

Killed by Police lists every death, justified or not, including those in which the officer had been wounded or acted in self-defense.

“The data doesn’t indicate which shootings are justified (the vast majority) and which are cold-blooded murder (not many, but some). And maybe that would vary by race. I don’t know, but I doubt it,” Mr. Moskos said on his blog.

While not a strictly scientific approach to an analysis, as a look at raw data, it's convincing.

Mr. Moskos listed two possible reasons for the racial disparity. The first is that police assigned to largely black neighborhoods face “more political fallout when they shoot, and thus receive better training and are less inclined to shoot.”

The second is that police assigned to black communities with high crime rates are more accustomed to dangerous situations and thus are more likely to be able to resolve them without resort to lethal force.

The study confirms similar conclusions from studies done by the interest group ProPublica and by Politifact.

 

We know all this intuitively, but in order to crack the false narrative from Black Lives Matter, facts must be uncovered.  And the facts in this case are plain: whatever racial disparity there is in police shootings, neither side appears to be targeted.

Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/study_cops_kill_more_whites_than_blacks_but_minority_deaths_generate_more_coverage.html
 

[dMog]

another truth in America... if you were to have a hypothetical choice of being white or black and to hypothetically get pulled over by a cop... you all would hope to be the white guy in that situation  wouldn't you...and for the reason that has become the current flash point...ie  you would want to have a high chance of NOT getting shot dead or the crap beat out of you..we all know what the reality here is 

[rasbridge]

Here is another analysis of the data:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/07/are-blacks-disproportionately-involved-in-police-shootings.php

[dMog]

maybe if you looked for your data on a site that did not have an agenda to whitewash the facts to disprove racism ...you might see things differently... I live in small city Canada..there is no real black vs white  issues here... BUT...since I was a kid I have noticed white people with racist views to native Canadians..it is a huge problem here and as it is with black people vs white people and all the related issues in America ....spouting off crap from a site known to downplay racism is not going to change the truth nor fix what is wrong....but it will be certain to make things worse...just the same as the black lives matter activists do not wish to discuss all the other violent issues confronting their people...only a fool would believe that if cops stopped shooting black people that all violent deaths in this community would stop at the same time...no easy answers     no easy fix    but bullshit stats will not help  to fix anything

[Beamslider]

On 7/9/2016 at 8:18 AM, rasbridge said:

Study: Cops kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more coverage

July 7, 2016

 

Whites (including Hispanics who identified as White) constitute the majority, with a total of about 246,660,710, or 77.35% of the population as of 2014. Non-Hispanic Whites totaled about 197,870,516, or 62.06% of the U.S. population.

 

there were 37,144,530 non-Hispanic blacks, which comprised 12.1% of the population. 

 

As of July 2016....509 were killed by police......238 were white 123 were black.........

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/breakdown-us-citizens-killed-cops-2016

 

You think the vastly larger numbers of whites in the USA versus blacks might skew the numbers?  based on percentages of population, blacks are far more at risk.

[dMog]

2 hours ago, Beamslider said:

Whites (including Hispanics who identified as White) constitute the majority, with a total of about 246,660,710, or 77.35% of the population as of 2014. Non-Hispanic Whites totaled about 197,870,516, or 62.06% of the U.S. population.

 

there were 37,144,530 non-Hispanic blacks, which comprised 12.1% of the population. 

 

As of July 2016....509 were killed by police......238 were white 123 were black.........

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/breakdown-us-citizens-killed-cops-2016

 

You think the vastly larger numbers of whites in the USA versus blacks might skew the numbers?  based on percentages of population, blacks are far more at risk.

 

as said the ...original post not only skewed the data but did so on purpose in order to make it look far different than reality

 

[jtmulc]

5 hours ago, dMog said:

maybe if you looked for your data on a site that did not have an agenda to whitewash the facts to disprove racism ...you might see things differently...

 

It's American Stinker, quoting The Washington Times.  People don't go there to read the news, they go to confirm what they "all know intuitively".  There's a word for what people "all know intuitively", regardless of reality:  Truthiness.

 

2 hours ago, Beamslider said:

You think the vastly larger numbers of whites in the USA versus blacks might skew the numbers?  based on percentages of population, blacks are far more at risk.

 

Funny how only 12% of the population has 30% people killed by cops, or comprises 37% of the male prison population, or make up 35% of people executed under the death penalty in the past 40 years.

[rasbridge]

ACCOUNTABILITY must be placed on those in charge of ensuring measures are in place to protect the citizens of the country...and resolve conflicts without lethal force.

[rasbridge]

All citizens deserve equal protection.  To me, the 5 percent sound pretty high.  Hopefully, additional measures will reduce it...

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In 74 percent of all fatal police shootings, the individuals had already fired shots, brandished a gun or attacked a person with a weapon or their bare hands, according to an analysis of actions immediately preceding the shootings, which draws on reports from law enforcement agencies and local media coverage. These 595 cases include fatal shootings that followed a wide range of violent crimes, including shootouts, stabbings, hostage situations, carjackings and assaults.

 

Another 16 percent of the shootings came after incidents that did not involve firearms or active attacks but featured other potentially dangerous threats. These shootings were most commonly of individuals who brandished knives and refused to drop them.

 

The 5 percent of cases that are often second-guessed include individuals who police said failed to follow their orders, made sudden movements or were accidentally shot. In another 4 percent of cases, The Post was unable to determine the circumstances of the shootings because of limited information or ongoing investigations.

 

Source:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/10/24/on-duty-under-fire/?tid=a_inl

[humble3d]

It is really too bad and frustrating that CIA's Technical Services Division cannot furnish

cops with tools developed years ago with tax dollars to fight crime with non-lethal force...

 

Admittedly, sometimes deadly force is necessary and proper;

however, these tools have already been paid for with taxpayer funds and exist in reality...

 

For example, too many innocent people are harmed and killed arising out of police

car high speed chases...

 

CIA's Technical Services Division developed and successfully tested COWLS

which when properly fitted to police car hoods stopped the bad guys car without

effecting the police car's system...

 

It stopped the bad guys cold...

 

Oh! Sorry! I guess that makes too much sense...

 

Plus, Ain't it fun to chase bad guys at high speed ? 

[onlyme2]

On 09/07/2016 at 4:18 PM, rasbridge said:

a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice

The John Jay College of Criminal Justice started back in 1965 under the name of "the College of Police Science", its current president is Jeremy Travis, who happens to be a former special advisor to then-mayor of New York City Edward Koch from 1986 to 1989, and a former deputy commissioner in the New York City Police Department.

To my mind, any study undertaken by a fellow at such a college dealing with policing activities in relation to a section of the population, is akin to referring to studies conducted by the tobacco industry which show how beneficial smoking is to general health.

 

[rasbridge]

7 hours ago, onlyme2 said:

The John Jay College of Criminal Justice started back in 1965 under the name of "the College of Police Science", its current president is Jeremy Travis, who happens to be a former special advisor to then-mayor of New York City Edward Koch from 1986 to 1989, and a former deputy commissioner in the New York City Police Department.

To my mind, any study undertaken by a fellow at such a college dealing with policing activities in relation to a section of the population, is akin to referring to studies conducted by the tobacco industry which show how beneficial smoking is to general health.

 

 

I understand your skepticism.  However, will you trust a study by Harvard? 

 

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Harvard Study Finds No Racial Bias In Police Shootings

by Tyler Durden

Jul 11, 2016 10:00 PM

 

A very recently published Harvard study on racial bias in police use of force finds that, as the mainstream narrative proffers, black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. However, in what the (African-American) author of the study calls "the most surprising result of my career," when it comes to the most lethal form of force - police shootings - the study finds no racial bias, contradicting the mental image of police shootings that many Americans hold.

 

As The NY Times reports, the study did not say whether the most egregious examples — the kind of killings at the heart of the nation’s debate on police shootings — are free of racial bias. Instead, it examined a much larger pool of shootings, including nonfatal ones. It focused on what happens when police encounters occur, not how often they happen. (There’s a disproportionate number of tense interactions among blacks and the police when shootings could occur, and thus a disproportionate outcome for blacks.) Racial differences in how often police-civilian interactions occur have been shown reflect greater structural problems in society.

 

Black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police...

 

But Roland G. Fryer Jr., the African-American author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard - which examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California, was "surprised" to find that when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.

 

Mr. Fryer said his anger after the deaths of Michael Brown and Freddie Gray and others drove him to study the issue. “You know, protesting is not my thing,” he said. “But data is my thing. So I decided that I was going to collect a bunch of data and try to understand what really is going on when it comes to racial differences in police use of force.”

 

In officer-involved shootings in these 10 cities, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both of these results undercut the idea that the police wield lethal force with racial bias.

...

However, for Mr. Fryer, who has spent much of his career studying ways society can close the racial achievement gap, the failure to punish excessive everyday force is an important contributor to young black disillusionment.

“Who the hell wants to have a police officer put their hand on them or yell and scream at them? It’s an awful experience,” he said. “I’ve had it multiple, multiple times. Every black man I know has had this experience. Every one of them. It is hard to believe that the world is your oyster if the police can rough you up without punishment. And when I talked to minority youth, almost every single one of them mentions lower level uses of force as the reason why they believe the world is corrupt.”

 

Source:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-11/harvard-study-finds-no-racial-bias-police-shootings

[onlyme2]

2 hours ago, rasbridge said:

I understand your skepticism.  However, will you trust a study by Harvard?

Where I come from, if a police officer shoots someone in the back while running away, they would be charged with premeditated murder, the Home Secretary would provide an immediate public apology, a public inquiry would take place, and more likely than not the commanding officer of the involved force would submit their resignation, regardless of what colour the victim was.

This is not about what colour the victim is, it is about the value of human life, all of human life, it is also about whether people charged with enforcing the law have the right to stand above it.

 

[rasbridge]

Time to End the Demonizing of Police

Two years of corrosive rhetoric about racist cops, based on falsehoods—with disastrous effects.

By

Heather Mac Donald

July 12, 2016 6:37 p.m. ET

 

For two years American police departments have endured relentless attacks from the Obama administration, its media allies and the Black Lives Matter movement alleging that U.S. law enforcement is a racist, deadly threat to African-Americans. A handful of disturbing videos depicting police shootings helped galvanize widespread hostility to law-enforcement officers, and cops began backing away from the proactive policing that stops crime but has been repeatedly denounced as racial oppression.

 

The result, especially in the first half of this year, has been an appalling increase in shootings and murders in many cities across America. Most of the victims, in this poisonous era spawned by Black Lives Matter, have been black. Now the consequences of this stream of falsehoods about police may be spinning out of control, with the assassination of five police officers in Dallas last week and the attacks on cops in other cities since then.

 

Make no mistake: Assertions about systemic, deadly police racism are false. That has been true throughout the period following the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., in 2014; recall that the cop involved was ultimately exonerated by the Justice Department. But no number of studies debunking this fiction has penetrated the conventional story line.

 

A “deadly force” lab study at Washington State University by researcher Lois James found that participants were biased in favor of black suspects, over white or Hispanic ones, in simulated threat scenarios. The research, published in 2014 in the Journal of Experimental Criminology, confirmed what Ms. James had found previously in studying active police officers, military personnel and the general public.

 

In 2015 a Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. And this month “An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force” by Harvard economics professor Roland G. Fryer Jr., analyzing more than 1,000 officer-involved shootings across the country, reports that there is zero evidence of racial bias in police shootings.

All of which brings us to President Obama’s extraordinary statement last week alleging systemic racism in American law enforcement. He was speaking in the aftermath of two highly publicized fatal police shootings. Viral video captured the shooting of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, La., as officers attempted to disarm him, and the aftermath of the shooting of Philando Castile during a car stop outside St. Paul, Minn.

 

Those shootings look horribly unjustified based on the videos alone; but information may emerge to explain the officers’ belief that the victims were reaching for a gun.

 

A few hours after President Obama made his remarks, the Dallas gunman assassinated five police officers, in a rampage that police officials later reported was driven by hatred of white officers and white people generally.

 

Mr. Obama’s statement undoubtedly had no causal relationship to the Dallas slaughter. But it certainly added to the record of distortion and falsehood that has stoked widespread animus toward the police.

 

It bears repeating: Unjustified shootings by police officers are an aberration, not the norm, and there is no evidence that racism drives police actions.

 

Every year, officers confront tens of thousands of armed felons without using lethal force. According to the Washington Post, police officers fatally shot 987 people in the U.S. last year; the overwhelming majority were armed or threatening deadly force.

 

Blacks made up a lower percentage of those police-shooting victims—26%—than would be predicted by the higher black involvement in violent crime. Whites made up 50% of police shooting victims, but you would never know it from media coverage. Note also that police officers face an 18.5 times greater chance of being killed by a black male than an unarmed black male has of being killed by a police officer.

 

Indifferent to these facts, President Obama on Thursday, referring to the police killings in Baton Rouge and St. Paul, said: “[T]hese are not isolated incidents. They’re symptomatic of a broader set of racial disparities that exist in our criminal justice system.” He made another sweeping allegation of law-enforcement racism, saying that there “are problems across our criminal justice system, there are biases—some conscious and unconscious—that have to be rooted out.” And he claimed that higher rates of arrests and stops among blacks reflect police discrimination; naturally, Mr. Obama remained silent about blacks’ far higher rates of crime.

 

Such corrosive rhetoric about the nation’s police officers and criminal-justice system is unsettling coming from the president of the United States, but it reflects how thoroughly the misinformation propagated by Black Lives Matter and the media has taken hold. Last month Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, dissenting in a case about police searches, wrote that blacks are “routinely targeted” by law enforcement, adding that “Until their voices matter, too, our justice system will continue to be anything but.”

 

Hillary Clinton has also taken up this warped cause. On CNN Friday, she decried “systemic” and “implicit bias” in police departments. She also called on “white people” to better understand blacks “who fear every time their children go somewhere.”

 

Mrs. Clinton ought to take a look at Chicago. Through July 9, 2,090 people have been shot this year, including a 3-year-old boy shot on Father’s Day who will be paralyzed for life, an 11-year-old boy wounded on the Fourth of July, and a 4-year-old boy wounded last week. How many of the 2,090 victims in Chicago were shot by cops? Nine.

 

Meanwhile, Donald Trump emphasized “law and order” in a video released Friday, saying: “We must stand in solidarity with law enforcement, which we must remember is the force between civilization and total chaos.”

 

Given the nightmarish events of the past several days, Mr. Trump could do worse than making this presidential campaign one about that line between civilization and anarchy.

 

Ms. Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of “The War on Cops,” just out from Encounter Books.

 

Source:  http://www.wsj.com/articles/time-to-end-the-demonizing-of-police-1468363042

[SnakeMasteR]

A black police officer serving in Palm Beach County, Florida wrote a powerful Facebook post on Saturday about his experiences policing black communities where young black men preyed on each other, condemning the “Black Lives Matter” movement for ignoring black-on-black carnage taking place in major U.S. cities as they incited hatred for police.

...

Continue on Breitbart http://tinyurl.com/zf2hq5w

Direct link to post on Facebook http://tinyurl.com/hk6ak46

The most informative passage (at least for me) is the one below.

"All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”."

[jtmulc]

On 7/13/2016 at 2:00 PM, n0_risk! said:

Continue on Breitbart

 

If it's on Breitbart, he probably wrote the exact opposite and they edited it to match their narrative.

I'm not impugning their journalistic intergrity, I'm denying its existence.