Like Apple, Tor Devs Would Quit Their Jobs If Ordered to Backdoor Their Software

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Tor Project reaffirms position against encryption backdoors

After the recent Apple vs. FBI encryption debacle, the Tor Project has come out and issued a statement reaffirming its stance against encryption backdoors, stronger than ever before.

Even if yesterday the FBI had announced it found a way to access the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone without Apple's help, the agency had already started a whirlwind around the issue of government-mandated software backdoors, against which almost all US and international tech companies have advised against.

In a statement regarding software integrity and Apple's recent woes, Mike Perry, lead developer of the Tor Browser said yesterday that because of the project's sensitive nature, their team needed to make a public statement on the issue of software backdoors.

With political dissidents, army personnel, journalists, and many regular people using their browser and proxy network each day to hide their real location and make sure their actions remain private from the prying eyes of local governments, the Tor Project has a huge responsibility on its shoulders.

Tor Project is 100% against backdoors

As so, the Tor team has reassured its users that the project will never honor a government request to backdoor its own software. Additionally, the devs also explain that because of the project's internal structure, this would also be technically impossible.

With Tor and the Tor Browser being open source software, everyone can review the code, and any backdoors would be quickly spotted even before reaching a production browser.

Furthermore, Mr. Perry says that many of the project's engineers have stated to him that they intend to quit their positions, taking the same stance Apple's engineers took a few days back.

"Regardless of the outcome of the Apple decision, we are exploring further ways to eliminate single points of failure, so that even if a government or a criminal obtains our cryptographic keys, our distributed network and its users would be able to detect this fact and report it to us as a security issue," Mr. Perry wrote on the Tor blog.

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[straycat19]

TOR was hacked by the FBI a long time ago so they don't need a backdoor.  The Silk Road takedown was done by hacking TOR.  And if Apple and TOR devs quit then the government has won because the encryption will never be hardened against  such hacks.  The government is in a win-win situation.

[steven36]

6 minutes ago, straycat19 said:

TOR was hacked by the FBI a long time ago so they don't need a backdoor.  The Silk Road takedown was done by hacking TOR.  And if Apple and TOR devs quit then the government has won because the encryption will never be hardened against  such hacks.  The government is in a win-win situation.

No it wasn't the FBI . The IRS  brought down Ulbricht , Gary L. Alford,a special agent for the IRS. He  tracked him down trough Google  on the Open Net  not TOR

Ulbricht  got busted because he was careless  and left  a trial of personal info  on the open internet

[straycat19]

1 minute ago, steven36 said:

No it wasn't the FBI . The IRS  brought down Ulbricht , Gary L. Alford,a special agent for the IRS. He  tracked him down trough Google  on the Open Net  not TOR

 

Guess who Gary's brother works for.  Nice job of misinformation.

[steven36]

8 minutes ago, straycat19 said:

 

Guess who Gary's brother works for.  Nice job of misinformation.

The IRS tipped off the FBI the FBI  was watching  Ulbricht in real life  ..
 

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But Ulbricht apparently couldn’t stop subtly advertising Silk Road: he mentioned to the agents that “hypothetically” anyone could go on a site called Silk Road and buy fake identification.

 

Armed with this fresh evidence to link Ulbricht to Silk Road, Alford called the prosecutor.

 

That’s when Ulbricht’s fate was sealed: it turned out that his address was a brief walk from a cafe from which the FBI knew that Dread Pirate Roberts had signed in to Silk Road.

 

Over the coming weeks and months, Ulbricht was put under full surveillance, and ultimately arrested at a public library on 2 October 2013.

 

The FBI has been around long  before internet existed  in fact the only time i ever seen them was in real life. Still  there's many sites left  on the Darknet  doing illegal things . If the FBI really had cracked  TOR  they would have wiped most all them out by now.

[straycat19]

2 minutes ago, steven36 said:

The FBI has been around long  before internet existed  in fact the only time i ever seen them was in real life. Still  there's many sites left  on the Darknet  doing illegal things . If the FBI really had cracked  TOR  they would have wiped most all them out by now.

 

Why would they wipe them out if they were actually running them and gathering information to fry bigger fish than the small time crooks working on DarkNet.  You never hear about the people or organizations they flipped until that particular operation is over, instead they use those resources to dig deeper and expand their investigation.  And as long as they are not actually providing the drugs or other illegal items then running the website is just another 'false store front' operation like they have done in brick and mortar stores for years.

[steven36]

2 hours ago, straycat19 said:

 

Why would they wipe them out if they were actually running them and gathering information to fry bigger fish than the small time crooks working on DarkNet.  You never hear about the people or organizations they flipped until that particular operation is over, instead they use those resources to dig deeper and expand their investigation.  And as long as they are not actually providing the drugs or other illegal items then running the website is just another 'false store front' operation like they have done in brick and mortar stores for years.

The FBI  uses penetration software  they find  holes backdoors  in things without having to break encryption ,

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In 2006, Moore launched the “Metasploit Decloaking Engine,” a proof-of-concept that compiled five tricks for breaking through anonymization systems. If your Tor install was buttoned down, the site would fail to identify you. But if you’d made a mistake, your IP would appear on the screen, proving you weren’t as anonymous as you thought. “That was the whole point of Decloak,” says Moore, who is chief research officer at Austin-based Rapid7. “I had been aware of these techniques for years, but they weren’t widely known to others.”

http://www.wired.com/2014/12/fbi-metasploit-tor/

http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/31174/cyber-crime/operation-tornado-fbi-against-tor.html

 

Then in 2016 it appears in the news nothing but conspiracy theories like they cracked tor  when all they did use a exploit and it and it dont work if someone knows what there doing  and can be avoided by using a vpn with TOR they never have cracked encryption  there not the NSA  lol

 

What do you expect would happen to someone who accepts  files from the FBI?

What do you expect would happen to a drug dealer  on the darknet who leaves  his personal info on the open net? 

 

Its conman sense  what would happen .

And you say

2 hours ago, straycat19 said:

Nice job of misinformation.

You're  the one spreading conspiracy theories that were proved wrong , not me . If  the FBI  could really break encryption they would be no need for them to spend millions of tax payers dollars  on court battles to put malware into software so they can try  to successfully exploit it

2 hours ago, straycat19 said:

TOR was hacked by the FBI a long time ago so they don't need a backdoor.

 

They always needed a back door  and the one they have has never been foolproof  . TOR  is forever changing its code and Harding  it . Legal  backdoors  would mean TOR  would have to leave a back door in place that they added . If  it was done and  not approved by TOR they can legally  remove any back doors . Tor being open source someone outside the USA could fork it and remove any backdoor it had in it anyways . That's the difference in property software vs open source back doors can be easy removed .

 

What it all boils down too if the government law enforcement dont leave these  multi billion dollar property software companies  alone there not going have to quit there jobs they will end up moving overseas  or some other software companies will replace them thats outside the USA . Im not going buy or use anything i know has a backdoor in it.  

Thats like the UK  there passing that law were software made there will be backdoored  and the devs  cant tell the pubilc . I'm going to boycott  anything made there. I'm not going to use it.

 

More developers  developing  on MAC OSX  now than windows  nowadays  anyways  because you have to use it to develop on IOS .  Dev's outside the USA can and has made  encryption for IOS  and Windows the USA law enforcement  cant leagly  break into . If they were to put a backdoor in IOS  just people would use  different encryption software . You can't leave something legal and expect people to not get around it . And even if they down right banned  it criminals  would figure  a way around it .