Toshiro Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Earlier today the guys over at GeekSmack.net "confirmed" that Windows 7 was set to RTM (release to manufacturing) on July 13, which also coincides with Wzor's unconfirmed rumor last month. A few minutes ago sources close to the company, who wish to remain anonymous, have confirmed to Neowin that Windows 7 is indeed set to RTM on July 13.After a year of furious beta testing and continuous leaks every other week, Microsoft is finally ready to give Windows 7 the green light to hit the market. Currently the Windows 7 team is working on polishing off the RTM build so that no show-stopper bugs are present in Windows 7. The date, July 13, also coincides with the kickoff of the Worldwide Partner Conference that is taking place in New Orleans. Note: Don't confuse RTM and GA(General Availability), as these are two totally different phases. RTM in a nutshell is typically the final build that we will see when Windows 7 hits GA later this year (Unless, of course, there's a show-stopper bug found), but is released to manufacturers so they can work out any bugs the software may encounter with hardware devices. General availability is scheduled to launch on October 22, which will give the tech savvy world time to save up money. So with that said TechNet, MSDN, and a few other partner connections will also be getting the RTM build on July 13. So let the countdown begin!Source : Neowin & TheHotFix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKP Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Thats pretty good to hear... :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioActive Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Can't wait, I been waiting forever for the damn final release :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted July 4, 2009 Administrator Share Posted July 4, 2009 Oh! I think I have to upgrade my PC soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HATE9X Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 sweetcan'twait!_leakthesameday_or_earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marik Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 at this point i don't even care anymore...not that big of a deal if i get it earlier or on 13...the end result is still the same...i get it either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endeavorz Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Currently the Windows 7 team is working on polishing off the RTM build so that no show-stopper bugs are present in Windows 7.Well I hope someone with ms programmer connections will tell them about the big annoying bug that I've seen mentioned elsewhere, and I've noticed it bigtime too.Navigate to:Control Panel> Folder Options> View> Restore Previous Folder Windows At Logon...and checkmark that optionIf you had any folders open during your previous shutdown and then when you startup again, the folders won't open right away andExplorer will hang with everything else unresponsive for five minutes, while it tries to accommodate that option to open the folders.If you uncheck that option (which is default) then once again everything works fine again.Confirmed bug report to fix, this has been buggy on every build released after 7100 Somebody, please tell them to fix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshiro Posted July 4, 2009 Author Share Posted July 4, 2009 @endeavorz, Wasn't thatt fixed in build 7265? Or am I wrong?They said they fixed a showstopping bug @ build 7265, that's why it came a week after 7264.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted July 4, 2009 Administrator Share Posted July 4, 2009 Anyway that was Release Candidate and Beta. The version that will be released would be Normal so why to worry.^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endeavorz Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 @endeavorz, Wasn't that fixed in build 7265? Or am I wrong?They said they fixed a showstopping bug @ build 7265, that's why it came a week after 7264..Haantjuh,Where did you read the release notes on what they fixed, anyway, I noticed it in all these builds so far7127713772017229723172607264I currently still have 7264 installed and I haven't seen a 7265 yet, although wzor has the 7268 server but I've no need to try that.I realize in a few days the RTM will be out so no problem, although, I wouldn't be surprised if it's still not fixed, but I hope so.I was hoping a connected beta tester would just pass the info to the ms programers since I'm sure they would want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshiro Posted July 4, 2009 Author Share Posted July 4, 2009 Just searched again, and people stated that the bug is still in the newest build. I may confused it with another one, srry for that :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted July 4, 2009 Administrator Share Posted July 4, 2009 Does some have a link for reporting to the Microsoft about this bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpua Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Is anyone going to (cough) purchase a version through the pre-order program which ends on July 11th? Until July 11th, you can pre-order Win 7 Home Premium boxed "upgrade" DVD for $49.95 at Amazon with free shipping or direct from MS for download for same price plus tax. Win 7 Pro is $100 @ the pre-order price. The main difference between HP and Pro is HP doesn't have XP mode (available on pro), encrypting file system (available on pro) and ability to log on to domain (avail on pro), remote desktop (avail on pro). I think that's about it so for me, HP will be fine. Kind of nice MS is making it available for only $50 to have a legal key. This is one I feel is worth paying for, especially at these quite reasonable, imo, prices (especially for HP).But will it be easily and effectively cracked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted July 4, 2009 Administrator Share Posted July 4, 2009 Are you jokin, I don't think anyone would (except the crackers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpua Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Just curious to see what others are thinking. To me an OS is a little different from other apps. I would prefer to run with a legal copy provided it's not too expensive. I think $50 is pretty reasonable. But I have no idea how effective the cracks will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Lee Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Just curious to see what others are thinking. To me an OS is a little different from other apps. I would prefer to run with a legal copy provided it's not too expensive. I think $50 is pretty reasonable. But I have no idea how effective the cracks will be.It's an upgrade only right? I saw this same thing on the Micro website. The upgrade is from Vista to 7 only is what I've been told*. I have heard from others that an upgrade can be done but only for software licenses, meaning no direct ugrapde path**. I dunno which is true (I hope the second, even tho I'll need to wipe my drive in order to install it. That is unless I dual boot - which I don't wanna do) Illegal or legal, I'll have it either way :lmao:* Source 1: XP-to-7 Upgrade not possible** Source 2: Upgrading from XP to 7Both are a bit dated, haven't read anything really "recent" lately...I feel the same as Marik. I'm glad it's coming out this early but that doesn't mean that I'll be overly excited. The end result will be the same for all (or most) of us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpua Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 An upgrade install from XP to W7 is not supported and not possible, but XP qualifies you to use an upgrade key and media to install W7. You just have to do a clean install, not an upgrade install. Iows, you have to do a clean install, reinstall all your apps and recover your data from the win.old file or backups you made before doing the clean install. Either your XP disk or the presence of an activated version of XP on your drive will "qualify" you to proceed with the clean install. Same with Vista. However, not all versions of Vista allow you to upgrade to all versions of Win 7. Some version to version paths are not supported. However, that is not really an insurmountable problem.The upgrade disks are effectively just like the retail disks. The only thing that is different is that you get an "upgrade" key. The disks are the same as retail. So they can be used to do clean installs, either over a qualifying OS, like XP (yes XP) or Vista, or even a prior RTM Win 7 installation (if the upgrade path is supported by your specific key). In addition, MS themselves explained how to modify things (it's easy) so you could even do an "unsupported" upgrade from an RC build. Source: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/0...experience.aspxMoreover, I have heard from what I believe to be reliable folks that there is even a way to clean install from the "upgrade" disks onto a bare unformatted drive with no prior OS installed, (obviously). All one has to do is do a clean install on the bare drive using the upgrade disk, but do not enter your upgrade license key at this time (it wouldn't allow you to proceed if you did). The upgrade will then install Win 7 as an unactivated 30 day trial since no key was entered. Then you simply use the same upgrade media to do an "upgrade" install from within the 30 day trial version of Win 7 you just installed, this time entering your "upgrade" key. The upgrade key will allow you to "upgrade" from the same version of Win 7. After all, this is similar to how repair installs are done. Once that is done, you have a fully activated clean install of Win 7 done without a prior OS using upgrade media/key. Some people refer to this as the "double install" method. Btw, this double install method also supposedly worked with Vista, so if someone had an upgrade key for vista and felt like experimenting, they could try the double install method now with Vista.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Lee Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 @ Harupa[*Clicks the thanks button*] Thanks for the extensive info. I guess since I do 'qualify' for an upgrade that me paying for a legal copy is definitely a possibility. Keep in mind that I'm a pirate just like everyone else, here so nothing is written in stone. I wanted the Ultimate upgrade but according to the site, the 58% discount is only on the Home Premium upgrade. The 50% discount is only for the Professional also. $220 for the U is far too much for me, so it looks like I'll just go with the HP. Who knows, maybe I need to make a bet with my neighbor again (inside joke) :lmao:Then again, the Pro has 'XP Mode', something I'll definitely need to look into. Both Ultimate & Pro have it, HP has the basic essentials. I need something more than that. Here's a chart for anyone looking for more info on the different versions of the software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Lee Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 @ Harupa[*Clicks the thanks button*] Thanks for the extensive info. I guess since I do 'qualify' for an upgrade that me paying for a legal copy is definitely a possibility. Keep in mind that I'm a pirate just like everyone else, here so nothing is written in stone. I wanted the Ultimate upgrade but according to the site, the 58% discount is only on the Home Premium upgrade. The 50% discount is only for the Professional also. $220 for the U is far too much for me, so it looks like I'll just go with the HP. Who knows, maybe I need to make a bet with my neighbor again (inside joke) :lmao:Then again, the Pro has 'XP Mode', something I'll definitely need to look into. Both Ultimate & Pro have it, HP has the basic essentials. I need something more than that. Here's a chart for anyone looking for more info on the different versions of the software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumant30 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Gr8 news :lmao: :D :frusty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpua Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 For me the features in HP are entirely adequate and I think MS did a good job figuring out what to include in HP vs Pro. HP still has compatibility mode which allows most programs including XP programs to run in 7. The "XP mode" in Pro (and higher) is a special virtualization environment that allows XP to run virtually within 7. It's true that HP doesn't have that, but I personally don't see a need for it. All the programs I run are at least designed to run on Vista and almost everything that runs on Vista already runs fine on 7 and most modern programs will be updated to be compatible with 7 shortly after the RTM is released anyway. Games run great on 7 in it's regular mode. Hell, already, all the programs I run except Daemon Tools Lite run fine on the leaked build of 7 I've been running now as my main OS. Anyway, there are other virtualization tools available that would let me run XP in a virtual environment if I ever had a need to, which I doubt I ever will. But if you need that capability, then it's true that you have to get at least the Pro version of 7. For me the few extra features the Pro or Ultimate versions of 7 has just aren't needed or can be handled by third party apps which are better anyway, like, for example, TrueCrypt for encryption instead of the Bitlocker that's in 7 Ultimate. And Acronis True Image Home instead of 7's back up and restore (which is in all versions, anyway), but I prefer to rely on Acronis. I would love to have "Ultimate" just for the vanity (coolness) of it, but practically speaking, Home Premium is pretty full featured and not bare bones, at all, imo. With the aforementioned 3rd party apps, HP has all the things I need like the nice visuals, GUI, media center, etc., etc. and basically has all the important stuff. I have been running a RC build of Ultimate for months now and haven't used any of the features from Pro or Ultimate that are missing from Home Premium. So I'm a happy camper that I can get a legal upgrade key and well as the disks shipped to me for only $50. I'm a pirate at heart like the rest here, but I would like to run a legal copy of my OS if it's possible and not too expensive and I'm OK with spending $50 for this awesome OS and it really is awesome! But the $100 for Pro seems too much to me for a few extra features I really don't need. And the price on Ultimate is ridiculous, but some people just have to have it. It's a vanity thing. I like seeing the words "Ultimate" on my welcome screen, but I can live fine without it.I'll still be interested to see if W7 is successfully cracked w/o causing any performance or update issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpua Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Just wanted to link to and quote from an excellent article that discusses the differences in detail between Home Premium and Pro. MEMORY Windows 7 Home Premium supports a maximum of 16GB of installed RAM, whereas Professional and Ultimate can address a maximum of 192GB of RAM. [update: To access more than 3.5GB of RAM, you need the x64 version. All editions of Windows 7 will be available in x86 and x64 versions and will ship with dual media.] The OS X story is a little more complicated: According to Apple, the upcoming Snow Leopard release will be able to address 16 TB of RAM. However, Apple’s current lineup of hardware maxes out at 8GB (for MacBook Pro and iMac lines) or 32GB (for the Mac Pro).PRESENTATION MODE/NETWORK PROJECTOR The Professional and Ultimate editions of Windows 7 have a pair of tools designed to make life easier for people who give presentations regularly, with easy access to network projectors and a one-button way to disable things like pop-up notifications and screen savers. Nice, not likely that anyone will pay extra for this.ENCRYPTING FILE SYSTEM Home Premium does not support EFS, which allows you to encrypt a file or folder so that it can only be unlocked when you log on with your user credentials. (Don‘t confuse this with BitLocker, which allows you to encrypt an entire drive.) OS X has a feature called FileVault that allows you to encrypt the entire home folder. You can’t encrypt anything outside the home folder and you can’t specify individual locations to encrypt. For Mac and Windows PCs, there are a variety of third-party add-ons that allow this function.WINDOWS XP MODE The primary benefit of this feature is that it includes a licensed copy of Windows XP at no additional cost for Professional and Ultimate editions. If you use Windows 7 Home Premium or OS X, you must supply your own XP license (at extra cost) and virtualization software, which may or may not require a paid license.BACKUP TO NETWORK In a major change from Windows Vista, the Windows 7 Backup program now allows creation of system image backups and scheduled backups on any edition. The Previous Editions feature, which allows you to recover changed or deleted files using automatic System Restore points, is also available in Home Premium edition. The only extra backup feature you get with an upgrade is the ability to specify a network location for a backup. In OS X, the Time Machine feature is primarily intended for use with an external hard drive. According to Apple’s documentation, the only supported network location is an Apple Time Capsule, which costs $299 and up.OFFLINE FILES I’ve previously called this “the single most useful Windows feature you’ve never heard of.” If you want seamless access and synchronization between a portable PC and a local server, it’s a great solution. For Home Premium, you can get many of the same benefits using Windows Live Mesh or a third-party program. OS X does not have an equivalent feature.JOIN A WINDOWS DOMAIN The Professional and Ultimate editions of Windows 7 can join a Windows domain, where they can use security, policy management, and deployment features that are especially useful to large enterprises. Home Premium edition can access resources on a domain-based network but can’t use Active Directory or management tools. OS X clients can connect to a domain’s Active Directory but lack support for Group Policy and other domain tools.REMOTE DESKTOP HOST Every edition of Windows 7 includes the Remote Desktop client, which allows you to connect securely to a Windows machine that has been configured to allow access. To make your machine available for incoming Remote Desktop connections, you must be running Professional or Ultimate edition. OS X makes this feature available as an extra-cost add-on that starts at $299 for a 10-license package. [update: Some correspondents via Twitter have pointed out that Apple includes VNC server with every version of OSX since 10.4. Ironically, if you go to Apple.com and search for VNC, you get this:You can match this capability in Windows 7 Home Premium (or any edition) by installing any of several free versions of VNC.]BOOT FROM VIRTUAL HARD DRIVE An extremely esoteric feature, supported only on Ultimate/Enterprise editions.LANGUAGE PACKS Here’s a confusing feature primarily of use for multilingual speakers. Within two weeks of launch, Windows 7 will support 35 languages. Your base installation will use the language you purchase initially (U.S. English for most readers of this article), but any user of any Windows edition including Home Premium can download a Language Interface Pack that allows switching to one of the other supported languages. LIPs translate most of the user interface elements. For Ultimate/Enterprise editions only, you can install Multilingual User Interface (MUI) packs that encompass the entire interface. Apple boasts support out of the box for 18 languages.BRANCHCACHE AND DIRECTACCESS Both of these features are designed to improve connectivity on networks that use Windows Server 2008 R2. This feature is most likely to be used in large organizations that use Windows 7 Enterprise Edition (which is the same code as Ultimate edition, licensed differently).APPLOCKER This enterprise-oriented feature allows administrators to whitelist applications for locked-down environments. It has no counterpart in OS X. (Don’t confuse this with the consumer-focused Parental Controls feature, which is available in Windows 7 Home Premium and in OS X.)BITLOCKER DRIVE ENCRYPTION Enterprises love the capability to encrypt an entire hard drive so that if the computer is lost or stolen the data can’t be accessed. Windows 7 adds BitLocker To Go, which works on removable media such as USB flash drives. If you use Windows 7 Home Premium or OS X, you need third-party software such as TrueCrypt to accomplish the same goal.I left one features off this list. is a feature that applies only to domain-joined laptops. The subsystem for UNIX applications is an extremely esoteric feature that has almost no real-world users as far as I can tell.So, is there anything on this list that represents a killer, must-upgrade feature for you?Source: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1128&page=2I learned something. Home Premium x64 can only address up to 16 GB of ram whereas Pro and higher can address much more. Still going with Home Premium. When I buy a new machine, it will probably come with Pro though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shought Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 16 GB of RAM is crazy already :lmao:I mean nobody(apart from graphical designers/video editors/extreme gamers) require more than 4 GB. Could imagine this turning into 8 GB in some years, but 16 GB, nahhhh.Anyway nice line-up harpua! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRuan Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Actualy, i'm waiting dor ddr3 finally complete entering on the market, so then i do intend to buy some i7 or newer processor with some 16GB of ram or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jota.Ce Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 1/ When i7 becomes a fact, we'll all measure memory in 3GB, 6GB, 12GB... (shame for me). Start considering that fact xD2/ I hope the most interesting differecne between HP and Pro is (as it always has been) the administration tools. In Vista Home Premium (which i don't have any idea, i have to admit) there's no grpedit.msc (Group Policy). And so on with millions of useful tools.3/ I'd like to start a poll. I'm wondering if people that say how infinitely good is W7 are people from XP or from Vista... cause i'm reading some texts about W7 and i don't like that much. It may be better than Vista as it isn't a resource hog and so forrest gump, but... in terms of usability ??? I see it as another Vista with that interface and that "beauty over functional" philosophy, with so many Windows Explorer modifications since XP. For example, i read that several windows of the same program will be fused in taskbar and you can't separate them. That kind of small details make life a heaven or a hell.POLL (for another thread): you say W7 is better cause: - You're with Vista and you're fucked up until 13th July. - You're with Vista, you have tried W7 leaks, and there's no point of comparision. - You're with XP, you have tried W7 leaks, and you like it. - You're with XP and you have never tried W7, but people say it's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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