snf Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The United States National Security Agency spied on French presidents Jacques Chirac, Nicolas Sarkozy and Francois Hollande, WikiLeaks said in a press statement published on Tuesday, citing top secret intelligence reports and technical documents.The revelations were first reported in French daily Liberation and on news website Mediapart, which said the NSA spied on the presidents during a period of at least 2006 until May 2012, the month Hollande took over from Sarkozy.WikiLeaks said the documents derived from directly targeted NSA surveillance of the communications of Hollande (2012–present), Sarkozy (2007–2012) and Chirac (1995–2007), as well as French cabinet ministers and the French ambassador to the U.S.According to the documents, Sarkozy is said to have considered restarting Israeli-Palestinian peace talks without U.S. involvement and Hollande feared a Greek euro zone exit back in 2012.These latest revelations regarding spying among allied Western countries come after it emerged that the NSA had spied on Germany and Germany's own BND intelligence agency had cooperated with the NSA to spy on officials and companies elsewhere in Europe."The French people have a right to know that their elected government is subject to hostile surveillance from a supposed ally," WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said in the statement, adding that more "important revelations" would soon follow.The documents include summaries of conversations between French government officials on the global financial crisis, the future of the European Union, the relationship between Hollande's administration and Merkel's government, French efforts to determine the make-up of the executive staff of the United Nations, and a dispute between the French and U.S. governments over U.S. spying on France.The documents also contained the cell phone numbers of numerous officials in the Elysee presidential palace including the direct cell phone of the president, WikiLeaks said.Last week, WikiLeaks published more than 60,000 diplomatic cables from Saudi Arabia and said on its website it would release half a million more in the coming weeks. SPYING AMONG FRIENDS?Former NSA employee Edward Snowden created an uproar in Germany after he revealed that Washington had carried out large-scale electronic espionage in Germany and claimed the NSA had bugged Merkel's phone."While the German disclosures focused on the isolated fact that senior officials were targeted by U.S. intelligence, WikiLeaks' publication today provides much greater insight into U.S. spying on its allies," WikiLeaks said.This includes "the actual content of intelligence products deriving from the intercepts, showing how the U.S. spies on the phone calls of French leaders and ministers for political, economic and diplomatic intelligence".WikiLeaks said NSA intercepts showed that French President Francois Hollande called a secret meeting of his cabinet about the potential consequences of a Greek exit from the euro zone as early as May 2012.It also said the Socialist Hollande, who at that point had been in power a few days, had been disappointed by a first meeting as president with conservative German Chancellor Angela Merkel and requested talks with leaders of the Social Democratic Party, her centre-left junior coalition partner."Hollande stressed that the meeting would be secret," WikiLeaks quoted an NSA intercept from May 22, 2012 as saying of talks he requested with "appropriate ministers" in his cabinet to discuss possible fall-out on France's economy and banks if Greece exited the euro zone.In another intercept dated June 10, 2011, Sarkozy is said to have considered restarting Israeli-Palestinian peace talks without U.S. involvement.An earlier one from 2008 has Sarkozy, widely considered in France to be pro-American, being critical of the U.S. government's handling of the financial crisis."The president blamed many of the current economic problems on mistakes made by the U.S. government, but believes that Washington is now heeding some of his advice," it said.The French president's office was not immediately reachable for comment.The French foreign ministry declined to comment on the WikiLeaks statement.The U.S. State Department also declined to comment.Hollande's office said on Tuesday the president plans to meet with his defense committee on Wednesday to discuss the WikiLeaks statement.Michele Alliot-Marie, former defense and foreign affairs minister under Chirac and Sarkozy, told France's iTele TV channel that France had long known that the U.S. had the technical means to try to intercept conversations."We are not naive, the conversations that took place between the defense ministry and the president did not happen on the telephone," she said. "That being said, it does raise the problem of the relationship of trust between allies." (Additional reporting by Gregory Blachier, Julien Ponthus and John Irish; Editing by Toni Reinhold) Sourcehttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/us-france-wikileaks-idUSKBN0P32EM20150623 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 not a fan of the nsa but if any one thinks only the nsa spied on the leaders of france has a rock for a head,,,, :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Its a good thing though, EFF and other Privacy groups keeps trying do something about it in the States. All this juicy dirt keeps coming out on them . It's said above France already knew about it.If they already knew about it why did President of France call a meeting about it as soon as it was made public?"The French government must react as it sees fit," he said. "As a minimum it requires an explanation at the very highest level, an absolute commitment to put an end to these practices."Neither French media outlet received an on-the-record comment from officials in the Elysée Palace, but Hollande apparently has called a sudden meeting.President Hollande calls extraordinary 9am meeting of the French Defense Council in response to WikiLeaks NSA spying http://t.co/FtUc4AxwqC— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) June 23, 2015http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/wikileaks-publishes-top-secret-nsa-briefs-showing-us-spied-on-france/Don't sound like they already knew about it to me? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snf Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 For moment White house said just.We stop spy Hollande.But nothing for the rest of the case :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternog Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Germany simply dismissed the case on a similar occasion, French president seems to have more self-respect unlike Merkel. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20150612/eu--germany-nsa-surveillance http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/24/francois-hollande-says-us-spying-on-french-officials-unacceptable-nsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Germany simply dismissed the case on a similar occasion, French president seems to have more self-respect unlike Merkel.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20150612/eu--germany-nsa-surveillancehttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/24/francois-hollande-says-us-spying-on-french-officials-unacceptable-nsaThat's because Germany spies with the NSA Just like Britain does. Spying Together: Germany's Deep Cooperation with the NSAhttp://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-german-bnd-and-american-nsa-cooperate-more-closely-than-thought-a-975445.htmlYou could rid the world of the NSA but it want do much good because every country has government spooks just like NSA it just mean the attention will be focused elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I wonder if there is something NSA does Not spy on... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I doubt there is anything really they dont spy on , with the help of Britain and Germany Its easier for them to spy over there than it is in the USA laws are changing in the US making it harder on them at home but that dont stop them over there in Europe. NSA has been around since the 1950s you most likely could complain about them the rest of you're life and they will still be there. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 as far back and even farther back to the says of city states...leaders knew they were being spied on by friend and foe alike...this is not anything new under the sun but just something that has been done since ...well for ever... we just have gotten really good at finding new and better ways at doing it.......ideals are peaceful.......history on the other hand ...is not so nice and quite often violent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 People seem to forget History too the USA frighted against these countries in the last 2 world wars... so did Russia .. they were not always a ally. And it seems US still dont really trust them . :)France got overtook by Hitler in World War 2 , in 1940 the USA did not go in that war tell 41 because UK asked them too France was occupied by Germany . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
software182 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 NSA = WIKILEAKS = :shit: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The USA answered them back with this.Responding to the reports late Tuesday, the White House's National Security Council spokesman Ned Price said: "We are not targeting and will not target the communications of President Hollande."Indeed, as we have said previously, we do not conduct any foreign intelligence surveillance activities unless there is a specific and validated national security purpose. This applies to ordinary citizens and world leaders alike."We work closely with France on all matters of international concern, and the French are indispensable partners."French government spokesman and Agriculture Minister Stéphane Le Foll said France was taking three immediate steps in response to the latest allegations.Besides summoning the U.S. ambassador, leading French lawmakers have been invited to a debriefing session at the Élysée, or presidential palace, he said.that means they will do it again if its a specific and validated national security purpose . France also spied on the USA before but no one seems to remember this .Paris also snoops on US, says French former spy bossFrance spies on the US just as the US spies on France, the former head of France’s counter-espionage and counter-terrorism agency said Friday, commenting on reports that the US National Security Agency (NSA) recorded millions of French telephone calls.Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (DCRI) intelligence service until last year, told French daily Le Figaro he was “astonished” when Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said he was "deeply shocked" by the claims.http://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obamaThey all spy on each other . :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snf Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Usa spy 193 country. :wtf: Except slave. :lol: GB Autralia Canada New zeland. Don't use dedicated server on this contry. ;) Work for NSA.And next France by service secret french. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Usa spy 193 country. :wtf:Except slave. :lol:GB Autralia Canada New zeland. Don't use dedicated server on this contry. ;)Work for NSA.And next France by service secret french.it really dont make any sense why France waited tell Wiki Leaks posted it to say something about it .France has knew this for years if you look at that article above i posted that was from 2013 . its old news . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snf Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Steven36Yes you entirely due. It does since year.But now is officialy in lawAnd they can use devant court.Inside France.For sue people in or out France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Friends have been spying against friends for 1000s of years . ;)I read why the president of France done this its just to divert attention from the bad thing there fixing to do to there people.There going be worse than NSATuesday’s release appeared to be carefully timed: the night before the French Parliament is expected to definitively pass a controversial security bill legalizing broad surveillance, especially of terrorism suspects.Privacy advocates and human rights groups have protested the French surveillance bill expected to be approved Wednesday, which would let the government install ‘‘black boxes’’ to collect metadata from every major phone and Internet company in hopes of preventing imminent attacks.https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/06/23/wikileaks-nsa-eavesdropped-last-french-presidents/GHNjRLICOZCl62p6mVbCmI/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternog Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Just like Canada http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-18/hacking-group-anonymous-take-down-major-canada-government-web/6555198 Another totalitarian state, yet they claim it`s us who don`t have proper EU-style democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Its sad really the whole world will be focusing on something the USA and France has done to each other since there was a U.S . While France signs in a bill to lose there own freedom of internet and phone , Its just a diversion tactic to stop there own people from protesting. There going be worried about what the USA done and there own government is fixing to do it to them. Snowden , even said this was coming The USA just got rid of there Patriot ACT while all the other countries passes ones that's even worse .As you read this online, the United States government makes a note,” Snowden wrote. He then mentioned new spying programs in Australia, Canada and France, in addition to comments from British Prime Minister David Cameron as disturbing anti-privacy trends.He ended by saying that public opinion is shifting towards favoring a more “open society” that he believes will push back against government infringement on privacy.“We are witnessing the emergence of a post-terror generation, one that rejects a worldview defined by a singular tragedy,” Snowden wrote. “For the first time since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, we see the outline of a politics that turns away from reaction and fear in favor of resilience and reason.http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/edward-snowden-nyt-op-ed-patriot-act-end-118678.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 -I/You Spy-He/She/It Spies-We/You/They Spy-----------------------Everybody Spies----------------------- :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snf Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 -I/You Spy-He/She/It Spies-We/You/They Spy-----------------------Everybody Spies----------------------- :dunno: unfortunately :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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