Batu69 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Hybrids like the Surface 3 remain a bright spot in the otherwise tough PC market New versions of Windows usually generate a new PC sales bonanza, but don't expect such a big bump with the arrival of Windows 10 due sometime this summer.The initial rush usually comes from consumer upgrades, as businesses tend to be more cautious about operating system upgrades and hold back. That's especially true this time around as many businesses will have just finished off replacing the last of their antique Windows XP with Windows 7 and will be in no mood to start the whole thing again.But there's a new factor that comes into play this time around with consumers. Microsoft is offering Windows 10 as a free upgrade for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 (and Windows Phone 8.1) devices in the first year - and will keep them up to date for what it describes as "the supported lifetime of the device".That's good news for consumers and will certainly boost adoption of Windows 10. But it will also give people a reason to hold onto their PCs for longer than they might have otherwise. The average customer may think, 'I can get Windows 10 on my old PC, why bother buying a new one just yet?'. This is probably influencing consumers already."We do not expect significant impact of Windows 10 launch on PC sales this year. From the consumer market perspective, Microsoft is planning to make the upgrade available for free to end users, therefore we expect that many of them will upgrade their existing machines without purchasing new ones," Maciek Gornicki, IDC EMEA PC research manager told ZDNet, adding: "From the commercial market perspective, we expect no impact of Windows 10 launch on the PC renewals this year." Another issue in Europe is that thanks to currency fluctuations PCs are about to get more expensive - by around 10 percent according to analyst house Gartner - which is likely to further discourage budget-conscious shoppers.Apart from these short term issues there are some bigger structural problems with the PC market which Windows 10 doesn't especially address (and it's not designed to, either).Tablets have taken a chunk out of PC sales and even though tablet sales have slowed down now that doesn't mean that PC sales will spring back. There are just too many competing computing devices - from Chromebooks to phablets to wearables- that can give users just enough functionality that they don't necessarily need to buy a new PC as often as they used to. But it's not all gloom.Over the two or three years after it is launched Microsoft is aiming for one billion Windows 10 users. And while the arrival of Windows 10 isn't going to boost the traditional PC, but it might boost new types of PC devices like two-in-ones and hybrids - think Microsoft's Surface or the HP Envy X2. That might make for a more positive story longer term.As Canalys noted earlier this month: "The market for two-in-one devices is expected to continue to grow during 2015 as consumers become accustomed to new form factors. In addition, Windows 10 will provide a better user experience when switching between tablet and notebook modes on these devices."Similarly, IDC's Gornicki said: "The new operating system will definitely help transition to mobility and uptake in demand for tablets, two-in-one devices and Windows smartphones in the enterprise."But with a mere three million hybrid devices sold in the first quarter of this year compared to a total PC market of 115 million units (according to Canalys figures) that's still really just a drop in the ocean right now.To take a slightly longer term view: IDC sees the PC market declining by 1.1 percent by 2019 - but if you add in the hybrids and two-in-one devices that is enough to edge it into growth - just - of 0.5 percent. All of which shows that the PC market is - and will continue to be - an extremely tough one.Source: http://www.zdnet.com/article/can-windows-10-save-the-pc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabben Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 PC and everything is constantly evolving. So what needs saving? zdnet's clickbait articles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 12 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I wish they put some more energy in developing the desktop-version, instead of tablets ,touch-screens etc.etc. If they do ,then yes, Win10 can save the PC !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banned Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 businesses will have just finished off replacing the last of their antique Windows XP with Windows 7 and will be in no mood to start the whole thing again. and it's unfortunate that some businesses were forced to move away from XP to begin with.. Surely nobody in IT (much less the boss) wanted to "upgrade" to a new OS for nothing but security updates (which Microsoft still secretly compiles in the background, and tries to hide from everyone but embedded customers). Yes XP is antique, but that also means it's rock solid with all that experience under its belt. People still don't get it. Windows is Windows, and in business you don't pay money to fuck up something that already works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerglines Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Can Windows 10 save the PC?Yeah! like TV will not exist in 2020, and all people will buy from mobile instead of picking their groceries! How about internet soon will not exist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stones Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 question is can windows 10 be better than windows 7 ? I hear the windows 10 will be the last OS from microsoft I dont know if this is true they should be let this OS real free for everyone I still know people who use windows xp and Vista ... I try to use windows 8.1 Original I cant is too slow really slow with 16gb of ram in a new pc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CODYQX4 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 businesses will have just finished off replacing the last of their antique Windows XP with Windows 7 and will be in no mood to start the whole thing again.and it's unfortunate that some businesses were forced to move away from XP to begin with.. Surely nobody in IT (much less the boss) wanted to "upgrade" to a new OS for nothing but security updates (which Microsoft still secretly compiles in the background, and tries to hide from everyone but embedded customers). Yes XP is antique, but that also means it's rock solid with all that experience under its belt. People still don't get it. Windows is Windows, and in business you don't pay money to fuck up something that already works.It also makes developers put in extra time to support, cut out well established features that are almost a decade old, and is decrepit and really insecure out of the box. I've gotten rid of supporting IE7, and I can't wait until IE8 is erased from the planet.I hate how people automatically claim old software is secure. Every time something is properly recoded something it improves in various ways from experience. Sure, you get new bugs, but you get rid of awful practices and bugs that took lots of duct tape to hide them from you. I've never had a IRQ or Video driver BSOD an NT 6.X PC. The XP PCs at the college labs used to BSOD'd on me with their GPU drivers alone.What makes new software unstable, is marketing. We absolutely MUST release a new version every single year and completely rejigger everything so it looks new. Hence pretty much any app that has a year in the name and completely redoes the UI and features to make you buy it over again. Blame the execs, they make this that way. Still, at a point, one of those rejiggered versions is eventually leaps and bounds better than their 1998 version, that someone right now is running on Win9x.There's a difference between waiting on upgrading stuff like that, and calling something that has only received the least amount of maintenance and improvement that contract could allow, as begrudgingly as possible for over 7 years (because SP3 dropped in 2008 and they've done nothing significant for XP since then), and call that the most solid version of Windows to run your business on.There's going to be a plague of hacks when 2003 Server (XP based) is EOL and cutoff and the first zero-day drops. But MS is forcing them to upgrade of course, MS should be obligated to support 12 year old software and they and every dev right down to the guy making apps out of a garage is evil. greedy. and lazy for not breaking their neck to support it.You know where 99% of the "doesn't work, have to hack it or fallback it" comes from when making a simple website? IE8, the best browser that luddite businesses who believe older software = no more bugs have policy to make the only browser that their employees can use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CODYQX4 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 question is can windows 10 be better than windows 7 ? I hear the windows 10 will be the last OS from microsoft I dont know if this is true they should be let this OS real free for everyone I still know people who use windows xp and Vista ... I try to use windows 8.1 Original I cant is too slow really slow with 16gb of ram in a new pc The core can be better, but the user experience can still completely suck without mods.I hate their start menu. It might not be full screen, but it's hell bent on trying to force me to search vs click, do away with folders, and force Metro apps in a way that overshadow and dominate the rest of the apps, and I'm just trying to f*cking click and drag the command prompt over to their menu to pin it (which has also changed several times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stones Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 question is can windows 10 be better than windows 7 ? I hear the windows 10 will be the last OS from microsoft I dont know if this is true they should be let this OS real free for everyone I still know people who use windows xp and Vista ... I try to use windows 8.1 Original I cant is too slow really slow with 16gb of ram in a new pc The core can be better, but the user experience can still completely suck without mods.I hate their start menu. It might not be full screen, but it's hell bent on trying to force me to search vs click, do away with folders, and force Metro apps in a way that overshadow and dominate the rest of the apps, and I'm just trying to f*cking click and drag the command prompt over to their menu to pin it (which has also changed several times).If only it were free people try to change, but sometimes people refuse to make changes, even if it is good and cheap at least here in Brazil that software is extremely expensive people refuse to adopt new things, I know people who still using Outlook 2010 in the world who uses Outlook ???? and does not open the email in the web people do not even know what office the outlook on line by the web has skydrive ...If I told you there is cloud for a client and he said what the f*ck is this cloud ...??? to me ...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stones Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 businesses will have just finished off replacing the last of their antique Windows XP with Windows 7 and will be in no mood to start the whole thing again.and it's unfortunate that some businesses were forced to move away from XP to begin with.. Surely nobody in IT (much less the boss) wanted to "upgrade" to a new OS for nothing but security updates (which Microsoft still secretly compiles in the background, and tries to hide from everyone but embedded customers). Yes XP is antique, but that also means it's rock solid with all that experience under its belt. People still don't get it. Windows is Windows, and in business you don't pay money to fuck up something that already works.It also makes developers put in extra time to support, cut out well established features that are almost a decade old, and is decrepit and really insecure out of the box. I've gotten rid of supporting IE7, and I can't wait until IE8 is erased from the planet.I hate how people automatically claim old software is secure. Every time something is properly recoded something it improves in various ways from experience. Sure, you get new bugs, but you get rid of awful practices and bugs that took lots of duct tape to hide them from you. I've never had a IRQ or Video driver BSOD an NT 6.X PC. The XP PCs at the college labs used to BSOD'd on me with their GPU drivers alone.What makes new software unstable, is marketing. We absolutely MUST release a new version every single year and completely rejigger everything so it looks new. Hence pretty much any app that has a year in the name and completely redoes the UI and features to make you buy it over again. Blame the execs, they make this that way. Still, at a point, one of those rejiggered versions is eventually leaps and bounds better than their 1998 version, that someone right now is running on Win9x.There's a difference between waiting on upgrading stuff like that, and calling something that has only received the least amount of maintenance and improvement that contract could allow, as begrudgingly as possible for over 7 years (because SP3 dropped in 2008 and they've done nothing significant for XP since then), and call that the most solid version of Windows to run your business on.There's going to be a plague of hacks when 2003 Server (XP based) is EOL and cutoff and the first zero-day drops. But MS is forcing them to upgrade of course, MS should be obligated to support 12 year old software and they and every dev right down to the guy making apps out of a garage is evil. greedy. and lazy for not breaking their neck to support it.You know where 99% of the "doesn't work, have to hack it or fallback it" comes from when making a simple website? IE8, the best browser that luddite businesses who believe older software = no more bugs have policy to make the only browser that their employees can use.I agree with you in everything you said, but has a term here in Brazil we use for noobs and inexperienced users call in my time of Windows 98 BIOS Bicho Igonorante Operando o Sistema (ignorant beast operating system) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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