China Finally Admits It Has Army of Hackers

[Reefa]

China finally admits it has special cyber warfare units — and a lot of them.

From years China has been suspected by U.S. and many other countries for carrying out several high-profile cyber attacks, but every time the country strongly denied the claims. However, for the first time the country has admitted that it does have cyber warfare divisions – several of them, in fact.

In the latest updated edition of a PLA publication called The Science of Military Strategy, China finally broke its silence and openly talked about its digital spying and network attack capabilities and clearly stated that it has specialized units devoted to wage war on computer networks.

An expert on Chinese military strategy at the Center for Intelligence Research and Analysis, Joe McReynolds told TDB that this is the first time when China has explicit acknowledged that it has secretive cyber-warfare units, on both the military as well as civilian-government sides.

CHINESE CYBER WARFARE UNITS

According to McReynolds, China has three types of operational military units:

• Specialized military forces to fight the network -- The unit designed to carry out defensive and offensive network attacks.
• Groups of experts from civil society organizations -- The unit has number of specialists from civilian organizations – including the Ministry of State Security (its like China’s CIA), and the Ministry of Public Security (its like FBI) – who are authorized to conduct military leadership network operations.
• External entities -- The unit sounds a lot like hacking-for-hire mercenaries and contains non-government entities (state-sponsored hackers) that can be organized and mobilized for network warfare operations.

According to experts, all the above units are utilized in civil cyber operations, including industrial espionage against US private companies to steal their secrets.

"It means that the Chinese have discarded their fig leaf of quasi-plausible deniability," McReynolds said. "As recently as 2013, official PLA [People's Liberation Army] publications have issued blanket denials such as, 'The Chinese military has never supported any hacker attack or hacking activities.' They can't make that claim anymore."

CHINESE CYBER UNIT 61398

In 2013, American private security firm Mandiant published a 60-page report that detailed about the notorious Chinese hacking group 'Unit 61398', suspected of waging cyber warfare against American companies, organizations and government agencies from or near a 12-story building on the outskirts of Shanghai.

The UNIT 61398 also targeted a number of government agencies and companies whose databases contain vast and detailed information about critical United States infrastructure, including pipelines, transmission lines and power generation facilities.

MOST WANTED CHINESE HACKERS

Last year, the United States filed criminal charges against five Chinese military officials, named Wang Dong, Sun Kailiang, Wen Xinyu, Huang Zhenyu, and Gu Chunhui, for hacking and conducting cyber espionage against several American companies.

The alleged hackers were said to have worked with the PLA’s Unit 61398 in Shanghai. Among spying on U.S companies and stealing trade secrets, they had also accused for stealing information about a nuclear power plant design and a solar panel company’s cost and pricing data.

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[Ehsan]

good for China

I think It is the only kind of War which is fun

[user@nsaneforums]

good for China

I think It is the only kind of War which is fun

fun??

...not always

[Ehsan]

well, if you always keep your guard up, and do not put all your wealth in one pocket....you are near not to be robbed!

[dMog]

so china can do this and it ok... the nsa does it and it the new world order end game??? :lol: break out the popcorn on this ine

[CODYQX4]

so china can do this and it ok... the nsa does it and it the new world order end game??? :lol: break out the popcorn on this ine

NSA: we were spying and hacking before it was cool #NotHipsters.

[steven36]

NSA didn't have :shit: on what Hoover done NSA didn't come on the scene tell 1952 .. Hoover invented the FBI , fingerprints and most crime solving stuff used world wide today , From 1924- 1972 he had dirt everyone that's how he kept his job though all those Presidents and they never found his files . Before Hoover the USA had no Anti crime unit . :yes:

[dMog]

NSA didn't have :shit: on what Hoover done NSA didn't come on the scene tell 1952 .. Hoover invented the FBI , fingerprints and most crime solving stuff used world wide today , From 1924- 1972 he had dirt everyone that's how he kept his job though all those Presidents and they never found his files . Before Hoover the USA had no Anti crime unit . :yes:

hoover denied the existence of the mafia too... and spent most of of his time illegally going after any one who he did not like by labeling them the phantom menace of communism... in the USA at this time just saying publicly that some one was a Communist was enough to make them lose their job and never find work anywhere again...

[The Owl]

if you saw the log on a FTP I run and the "Hit's and Bounces" of the Hackers trying to get in that track back to Beijing any where else is relatively rare I have several ranges that end with a * because of the PROLIFIC attempts from that range

Just had one

182.118.54.87

182.112.0.0 - 182.127.255.255

China Unicom Henan province network
China Unicom
No.21,Ji-Rong Street,
Beijing 100032
China

ChinaUnicom Hostmaster
[email protected]
No.21,Jin-Rong Street
Beijing,100033
P.R.China
phone: +86-10-66259764
fax: +86-10-66259764

Go China (Further away the better)

[steven36]

NSA didn't have :shit: on what Hoover done NSA didn't come on the scene tell 1952 .. Hoover invented the FBI , fingerprints and most crime solving stuff used world wide today , From 1924- 1972 he had dirt everyone that's how he kept his job though all those Presidents and they never found his files . Before Hoover the USA had no Anti crime unit . :yes:

hoover denied the existence of the mafia too... and spent most of of his time illegally going after any one who he did not like by labeling them the phantom menace of communism... in the USA at this time just saying publicly that some one was a Communist was enough to make them lose their job and never find work anywhere again...

The reason he kept his Job every time a President came in to office he would take them his files on them and there family that would have exposed them if they fired him . he would walk out with his job . They wanted get rid of him but never could he died from side-effects of speed the DR gave him still running the FBI. Regardless of what you think of him he invented a lot good things and world is much safer because of this. What drew the line with him is was when Richard Nixon was making him do things he didn't like ..Nixon messed with Hoover see what happen to Nixon don't you he got impeached and Hoover kept his job.

You got realize when he was a kid Communist were coming to USA and killing people and then the police didn't know how to even figure out who done it . So it was his goal to change all this and he did. When he got old he was strung out on drugs he was not a very nice person at all and with the power he had was dangerous .

[flitox]

so china can do this and it ok... the nsa does it and it the new world order end game??? :lol: break out the popcorn on this ine

that kind of behavior from a government that leans toward a dictatorship is rather expected. but unlike the USA they don't spend their time telling the world about freedom, justice, people rights, about how things should & shouldn't be.

how long will you need to understand that????

and no embargo on china because of Tibet??? how comes??? thats quite strange, don't you think??

[AlexCross]

I don't understand, was it a secret?

Even the smallest country on the planet has such resources, but just because they don't brag about it, it doesn't mean that they don't have it.

[CODYQX4]

I don't understand, was it a secret?

Even the smallest country on the planet has such resources, but just because they don't brag about it, it doesn't mean that they don't have it.

Damn right, every country that by any stretch of the imagination could be considered "not-3rd world" can and is spying.

All governments are run by people (or a person, whatever), all people are inherently corrupted over time, power or the pursuit of power can turn decent people into scum, just think what it does to the psychopaths with nice smiles that people put into office.

[steven36]

China has had spies always

The ancient writings of Chinese and Indian military strategists such as Sun-Tzu and Chanakya contain information on deception and subversion. Chanakya's student Chandragupta Maurya, founder of the Maurya Empire in India, made use of assassinations, spies and secret agents, which are described in Chanakya's Arthasastra. The ancient Egyptians had a thoroughly developed system for the acquisition of intelligence, and the Hebrews used spies as well, as in the story of Rahab. Spies were also prevalent in the Greek and Roman empires. During the 13th and 14th centuries, the Mongols relied heavily on espionage in their conquests in Asia and Europe. Feudal Japan often used ninja to gather intelligence. More recently, spies played a significant part in Elizabethan England (see Francis Walsingham). Many modern espionage methods were well established even then.Aztecs used Pochtecas, people in charge of commerce, as spies and diplomats, and had diplomatic immunity. Along with the pochteca, before a battle or war, secret agents, quimitchin, were sent to spy amongst enemies usually wearing the local costume and speaking the local language, techniques similar to modern secret agents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage

Espionage is old as the world its self ... China was just better at it than most because no one knows the names of there spy groups we just know there from China . this don't tell something I didn't know already.

[dMog]

that kind of behavior from a government that leans toward a dictatorship is rather expected. but unlike the USA they don't spend their time telling the world about freedom, justice, people rights, about how things should & shouldn't be.

ad this make what china does ok and what the usa does totally 100%wrong...you need to look up the definition of critical thinking and go back and take a hard look at you inherent political likes and dislikes and why you seem to only look at one body as the only the only evil ...and why you overlook, deny and make excuses for all the evil done all others just because they happen to be non-american..your credibility is at rock bottom and falling deeper than a 5 ton rock dropped into the deepest part of the ocean...by the way watch out for the wave about com back at ya

[flitox]

ad this make what china does ok and what the usa does totally 100%wrong...you need to look up the definition of critical thinking and go back and take a hard look at you inherent political likes and dislikes and why you seem to only look at one body as the only the only evil ...and why you overlook, deny and make excuses for all the evil done all others just because they happen to be non-american..your credibility is at rock bottom and falling deeper than a 5 ton rock dropped into the deepest part of the ocean...by the way watch out for the wave about com back at ya

coming from someone who has threatened to nuke north korea if they advice to do another sony trick, this is hightly laughtable.

and all your rant above apply so nicely to you, cant see it???

what do you think of the fact that there is one american in ukraine government??? which is right now wanting lethal weapons for the country! what a coincidence...

and curiously you haven't said a thing about Tibet??? got no thoughts about that??? you had some pretty strong opinions to expresse when it comes to Ukraine, but here nearly same situation and no word.... strange, real strange!

i bet USA would love a good old war so it can hide from the world that the western world economy is completly dead by its own fault

[flitox]

ad this make what china does ok and what the usa does totally 100%wrong...you need to look up the definition of critical thinking and go back and take a hard look at you inherent political likes and dislikes and why you seem to only look at one body as the only the only evil ...and why you overlook, deny and make excuses for all the evil done all others just because they happen to be non-american..your credibility is at rock bottom and falling deeper than a 5 ton rock dropped into the deepest part of the ocean...by the way watch out for the wave about com back at ya

coming from someone who has threatened to nuke north korea if they fancy doing another sony trick, this is hightly laughtable.

and all your rant above apply so nicely to you, cant see it???

what do you think of the fact that there is one american in ukraine government??? which is right now wanting lethal weapons for the country! what a coincidence...

and curiously you haven't said a thing about Tibet??? got no thoughts about that??? you had some pretty strong opinions to expresse when it comes to Ukraine, but here nearly same situation and no word.... strange, real strange!

i bet USA would love a good old war so it can hide from the world that the western world economy is completly dead by its own fault

[AlexCross]

flitox, the US is nobody nowadays, When one is asked about the bigest terrorist country since human existance, he naturally thinks about the US, it's not like nobody knows about it. If every country from the EU starts asking for their gold back from the US Federal Resource, the US will colapse in a matter of seconds. They barely gave back 5 tons to Germany in the last years :)) http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/columns/american-bullion/5325/germany-wants-its-gold-back-5325.html. More EU countries realised that the US don't really have the gold in a physical form, and started to ask for their gold aswell.

[CODYQX4]

There is no gold, it was spent on hookers and blow.

[steven36]

flitox, the US is nobody nowadays, When one is asked about the bigest terrorist country since human existance, he naturally thinks about the US, it's not like nobody knows about it. If every country from the EU starts asking for their gold back from the US Federal Resource, the US will colapse in a matter of seconds. They barely gave back 5 tons to Germany in the last years :)) http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/columns/american-bullion/5325/germany-wants-its-gold-back-5325.html. More EU countries realised that the US don't really have the gold in a physical form, and started to ask for their gold aswell.

You cant eat Gold , And you cant take it with you when you die . if you lived somewhere were you could not grow food you would starve to death and you would give every bit of it away for some food :P ..But your just talking about gold in NY reserves alone.

In November, the Dutch central bank has secretly brought 120 tonnes of gold, valued at nearly $5 billion, of the European nation's gold reserves held in New York back to Amsterdam.

The Netherlands seems to have been much more successful in their attempts to repatriate bullion held in New York than the Germans, which has reserves of 3,387 tonnes, second only to the United States.

http://www.mining.com/germany-confirms-it-still-wants-its-gold-back-16069/

$5 Billion is nothing really what the US has . There is about $130 billion in gold in Fort Knox.alone But most of the gold belongs to the rich the US is not under any kind of ruler were they have to give all there riches to the government .

Still I don't think any country will collapse due to how much gold they have .. China only has 1,054.1 tonnes they don't look like there going to collapse anytime soon . :lol:

Many countries have just a little over a 100 tonnes and they don't collapse. If nations collapsed by there worth in gold . Romania would have collapsed long ago.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

So how do you get they would collapse if they gave what there holding back ?

[dMog]

gold has long ceased to be the standard of any nations wealth

[steven36]

I think now days there more worried about who has the most nukes.

The United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea — possess approximately 16,300 nuclear weapons. in total.

Russia and the United States have reduced their inventories but still account for more than 93% of all operational nuclear warheads.

If these 2 countries was to go to war the rest of the world would not have to worry about it anymore, gold would be worth nothing because it would be Armageddon the end of days.

[dMog]

ad this make what china does ok and what the usa does totally 100%wrong...you need to look up the definition of critical thinking and go back and take a hard look at you inherent political likes and dislikes and why you seem to only look at one body as the only the only evil ...and why you overlook, deny and make excuses for all the evil done all others just because they happen to be non-american..your credibility is at rock bottom and falling deeper than a 5 ton rock dropped into the deepest part of the ocean...by the way watch out for the wave about com back at ya

coming from someone who has threatened to nuke north korea if they advice to do another sony trick, this is hightly laughtable.

and all your rant above apply so nicely to you, cant see it???

what do you think of the fact that there is one american in ukraine government??? which is right now wanting lethal weapons for the country! what a coincidence...

and curiously you haven't said a thing about Tibet??? got no thoughts about that??? you had some pretty strong opinions to expresse when it comes to Ukraine, but here nearly same situation and no word.... strange, real strange!

i bet USA would love a good old war so it can hide from the world that the western world economy is completly dead by its own fault

your view on world events and how they work in real life is about 1cm deep...and you alex cross...only putting down your words only in order to piss people off..nobody can be in a state of so much ignorance on the world than you try to present here..so you must be just baiting people.... if you both actually believe what you say here all the time then neither of you have ever been able to see any truth even it ever bit you in the ass...saying that when one thinks of the biggest terrorist nation and they can only think of the usa...you are either a total ludicrous fool or just baiting ...leaning towards you being fools...got no more responses for either of you... waste of time and effort already...good luck in life

[AlexCross]

flitox, the US is nobody nowadays, When one is asked about the bigest terrorist country since human existance, he naturally thinks about the US, it's not like nobody knows about it. If every country from the EU starts asking for their gold back from the US Federal Resource, the US will colapse in a matter of seconds. They barely gave back 5 tons to Germany in the last years :)) http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/columns/american-bullion/5325/germany-wants-its-gold-back-5325.html. More EU countries realised that the US don't really have the gold in a physical form, and started to ask for their gold aswell.

You cant eat Gold , And you cant take it with you when you die . if you lived somewhere were you could not grow food you would starve to death and you would give every bit of it away for some food :P ..But your just talking about gold in NY reserves alone.

In November, the Dutch central bank has secretly brought 120 tonnes of gold, valued at nearly $5 billion, of the European nation's gold reserves held in New York back to Amsterdam.

The Netherlands seems to have been much more successful in their attempts to repatriate bullion held in New York than the Germans, which has reserves of 3,387 tonnes, second only to the United States.

http://www.mining.com/germany-confirms-it-still-wants-its-gold-back-16069/

$5 Billion is nothing really what the US has . There is about $130 billion in gold in Fort Knox.alone But most of the gold belongs to the rich the US is not under any kind of ruler were they have to give all there riches to the government .

Still I don't think any country will collapse due to how much gold they have .. China only has 1,054.1 tonnes they don't look like there going to collapse anytime soon . :lol:

Many countries have just a little over a 100 tonnes and they don't collapse. If nations collapsed by there worth in gold . Romania would have collapsed long ago.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

So how do you get they would collapse if they gave what there holding back ?

I don't know how much economics you know but physical gold maintain a country financial health. That's why those country ask for their resources back, because the WW2 ended long time ago, and they don't need to send their worth on the other side of the globe to protect it. Let me explain you how the US managed to do well back in the days, without using words from the field. They basically sold gold but in a paper form, so John from the other part of the world bought some gold and received a paper, not the gold itself, but that paper would represent the value, multiply it with a number that you would need 5 minutes to read it, and you might get close to the number of people who own gold in paper. Now those people want their gold, they want the physical gold. The problem is that the US sold more paper that represent the value of the gold than the gold that the US have, there isn't gold on this planet to represent the value of those papers.

The number that you presented for China doesn't say too much, because China should accumulate ~8500 tones in official gold reserves.

Romania has the largest gold resources in the world (Rosia Montana), so I don't understand your logic.

[steven36]

flitox, the US is nobody nowadays, When one is asked about the bigest terrorist country since human existance, he naturally thinks about the US, it's not like nobody knows about it. If every country from the EU starts asking for their gold back from the US Federal Resource, the US will colapse in a matter of seconds. They barely gave back 5 tons to Germany in the last years :)) http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/columns/american-bullion/5325/germany-wants-its-gold-back-5325.html. More EU countries realised that the US don't really have the gold in a physical form, and started to ask for their gold aswell.

You cant eat Gold , And you cant take it with you when you die . if you lived somewhere were you could not grow food you would starve to death and you would give every bit of it away for some food :P ..But your just talking about gold in NY reserves alone.

In November, the Dutch central bank has secretly brought 120 tonnes of gold, valued at nearly $5 billion, of the European nation's gold reserves held in New York back to Amsterdam.

The Netherlands seems to have been much more successful in their attempts to repatriate bullion held in New York than the Germans, which has reserves of 3,387 tonnes, second only to the United States.

http://www.mining.com/germany-confirms-it-still-wants-its-gold-back-16069/

$5 Billion is nothing really what the US has . There is about $130 billion in gold in Fort Knox.alone But most of the gold belongs to the rich the US is not under any kind of ruler were they have to give all there riches to the government .

Still I don't think any country will collapse due to how much gold they have .. China only has 1,054.1 tonnes they don't look like there going to collapse anytime soon . :lol:

Many countries have just a little over a 100 tonnes and they don't collapse. If nations collapsed by there worth in gold . Romania would have collapsed long ago.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

So how do you get they would collapse if they gave what there holding back ?

I don't know how much economics you know but physical gold maintain a country financial health. That's why those country ask for their resources back, because the WW2 ended long time ago, and they don't need to send their worth on the other side of the globe to protect it. Let me explain you how the US managed to do well back in the days, without using words from the field. They basically sold gold but in a paper form, so John from the other part of the world bought some gold and received a paper, not the gold itself, but that paper would represent the value, multiply it with a number that you would need 5 minutes to read it, and you might get close to the number of people who own gold in paper. Now those people want their gold, they want the physical gold. The problem is that the US sold more paper that represent the value of the gold than the gold that the US have, there isn't gold on this planet to represent the value of those papers.

The number that you presented for China doesn't say too much, because China should accumulate ~8500 tones in official gold reserves.

Romania has the largest gold resources in the world, so I don't understand your logic.

Really someone who lives in some other country and sides with countries they don't even live in . they never could have experienced or really know what there talking about . You never hear people from China or Russia getting involved much with it on here its always and outsider . Go to these places and really live and get a job in office were you really know something instead spreading your radical viewpoints about places your not even from and maybe someone would listen to you. :lol:

I have nothing against people from no country . I may not like the things there government does but I fell bad for them not condemn them because of it. I know there's freedom of speech in some places but not everywhere . Most of these places you defend would take away the very thing your doing if they had half the chance, expressing your view points witch makes you look even more strange.

Top 20 largest gold reserves by country (2014 Edition)

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2014/10/07/top-20-largest-gold-reserves-by-country-2014-editi?page=1

Strange Romania is not in it so really I don't understand your logic ? :huh: