Matsuda Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Even though the Australis interface has been launched in the Firefox Nightly channel, it is still a work in progress. It has been worked on for a long time by Mozilla, and the plan was to continue that work while Australis moved from distribution channel to distribution channel. Mozilla has released a feedback report that provides us with a broader insight into the minds of Firefox users. Or, more precisely, whether they like or do not like the new interface.According to the report, more than 80% of Firefox users who commented on the interface are unhappy with it. This leaves less than 20% who like it, and while the sample size of nearly 190 feedback items is not large enough to come to a definitive verdict on that, it highlights the controversy surrounding the redesign.It is clear that users who have a gripe with something are more likely to express their opinion about it than users who like the change. This plays certainly a role here as well.Mozilla listed a couple of insights in the data that it collected after the launch. According to that, most users who responded in a negative fashion complained about the inability to customize the Firefox web browser like browser.Mentioned in particular were the missing small icon mode, the forcing of tabs on top and the removal of the add-on bar.Other users complaint about Firefox becoming too much like other browsers, which Mozilla classified as "generic anti-change", which was the second largest group followed by others, users who disliked the look of the new interface, and users who had their workflow interrupted by the changes.It is interesting to note that the Classic Theme Restorer extension for Firefox is mentioned explicitly in the report, and a suggestion was made to promote it actively to users who prefer the old interface over the new one.The extension, despite note being listed when you search for it, has received 29 positive reviews ever since it was released by its author Aris. Considering that it can only be installed in Firefox Nightly, and only be discovered through links, it is fair to say that this is an impressive start for the browser extension.80% is a large amount, even if you take into account that it is more likely that users who feel about something in a negative way will provide feedback about it. The overall number of feedback items that Mozilla has received is rather low on the other hand, which some may interpret as the majority of users being indifferent to the change, or not opposed to it.It is not clear where the journey will go at this point. Mozilla is collecting feedback, and considering that it did not receive a lot, it makes sense to voice your opinion now as it will count more than later when thousands or users will do the same thing.Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Well, if one is not happy with their brower, just switch to another one! Last time I used IE, I got sick of how slow it was, I moved to Chrome. Have never moved back since. Don't like Firefox? Try IE 11 or Chrome then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted November 23, 2013 Administrator Share Posted November 23, 2013 I personally see it as people from certain mindset liking or hating it.People who are willing to accept change are liking this interface and people who are not willing to accept change are not. Both are wrong though, because they are liking / disliking it as they see it as a change, not because what actual changes are made.That all said, this is Mozilla's strategy for Firefox:So anyone worried about Firefox's changes, should trust Mozilla, they are not here to disappoint users. They care for the web and it's users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaTa Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/holly-win32/Holly = Nightly minus Australis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calguyhunk Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/holly-win32/Holly = Nightly minus AustralisThat's what I'm gonna have to do once Australis comes to beta :(Well, if one is not happy with their brower, just switch to another one! Last time I used IE, I got sick of how slow it was, I moved to Chrome. Have never moved back since. Don't like Firefox? Try IE 11 or Chrome then!It's REALLY not that easy for most power users to up and leave the browser of their choice just like that. With all the apps that run on your browser and all the customizations through add-ons etc. it's actually well nigh impossible. :nono:And even though most of us - including me - are not really power users, it still creates a huge problem for us because of the numerous customizations that I have through (almost 40 enabled) add-ons, numerous GM scripts and several dozen about:config changes :(People who are willing to accept change are liking this interface and people who are not willing to accept change are not. Both are wrong though, because they are liking / disliking it as they see it as a change, not because what actual changes are made.It's not really 'bout resisting change. I'll happily use Australis on a new PC and just customize it my way. I have no problems with the curved tabs per se, but it's the numerous about:config options that have been removed, that are giving me the jitters - mostly 'cuz the entire code has been removed from Fx and you can't even add those options in about:config anymore :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted November 23, 2013 Administrator Share Posted November 23, 2013 It's not really 'bout resisting change. I'll happily use Australis on a new PC and just customize it my way. I have no problems with the curved tabs per se, but it's the numerous about:config options that have been removed, that are giving me the jitters - mostly 'cuz the entire code has been removed from Fx and you can't even add those options in about:config anymore :oI'm not aware about the about:config thing. Can you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InEvX Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 The problem I have with firefox is that it seriously takes WAY too long for it load up.SSD with Intel i7 3770k and I can load about 30 pinned tabs for business within 4.5 seconds. Mind you, I have about 6 extensions on Chrome. My Firefox takes about 2.5-3 seconds just to load up my home page and only 1 add-on (adblock plus). I don't understand why such a huge discrepancy. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShEsHy Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) I personally see it as people from certain mindset liking or hating it.People who are willing to accept change are liking this interface and people who are not willing to accept change are not. Both are wrong though, because they are liking / disliking it as they see it as a change, not because what actual changes are made.That all said, this is Mozilla's strategy for Firefox:So anyone worried about Firefox's changes, should trust Mozilla, they are not here to disappoint users. They care for the web and it's users.Please tell me you're being sarcastic, because if you're not, you're full of it. There's no logic behind thinking that people open to change would all automatically like the new interface and viceversa. The only people that do that are those that automatically think newer is always better in every way, and they're freaking insane (you know, like Apple customers ;)).I for one find the new interface downright disgusting, and not only because of it's look, but because of the customizability it removes from Firefox. And not to mention it does look a lot more like Chrome than it did before.To revise that recipe image:2 Less user choice3 A heap of community outrage4 Mix with angry fans and serve with a download Edited November 23, 2013 by ShEsHy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sat Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I have to say I was waiting for Australis. Been using the UX nightlies for a while.I think it removed unnecessary elements and brought the content of the pages into focus.It removed the downloads toolbar for some reason but that can be restored, I guess.Everyone has different preferences though, so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calguyhunk Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 So anyone worried about Firefox's changes, should trust Mozilla, they are not here to disappoint users. They care for the web and it's users.Please tell me you're being sarcastic, because if you're not, you're full of it.................................I for one find the new interface downright disgusting, and not only because of it's look, but because of the customizability it removes from Firefox.I think you're in the majority in not liking the new interface. But there's no reason to be abusive towards somebody who may not share your views. This is an open forum where everyone will share their opinions and have lively debates and discussions with points and counter points, but being rude to someone just 'cuz you're not on the same page makes you imbecilic at best and and a jerk at worst. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted November 23, 2013 Administrator Share Posted November 23, 2013 Please tell me you're being sarcastic, because if you're not, you're full of it. There's no logic behind thinking that people open to change would all automatically like the new interface and viceversa. The only people that do that are those that automatically think newer is always better in every way, and they're freaking insane (you know, like Apple customers ;)).I for one find the new interface downright disgusting, and not only because of it's look, but because of the customizability it removes from Firefox. And not to mention it does look a lot more like Chrome than it did before.To revise that recipe image:2 Less user choice3 A heap of community outrage4 Mix with angry fans and serve with a downloadNo I'm not sarcastic. This my view after looking into things. This view is not about singular persons, but what I have seen collectively, after visiting many sites.I agree, newer is not necessarily better. I also agree that it shouts Chrome, but I've mentioned it many times before, Mozilla has been clear about it, they have high respect for Chrome, Opera and others, which, if they find better things, they will adapt things from other browsers.Liking or not liking it is personal preference so, I can't argue on that.As for the image, you are not getting my point. My point is simple, Mozilla, if it feels that people are not liking the change of the UI, they will go out of the way to satisfy the user base. There are many ways they can do that, either delay Australis further, or allowing one to disable it, or officially release an addon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 i actually like the new interface myself. i really thought i was going to hate it and i kind of wanted to hate it. but after a bit of time with it im actually waiting for it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlston Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) I personally see it as people from certain mindset liking or hating it.People who are willing to accept change are liking this interface and people who are not willing to accept change are not. Both are wrong though, because they are liking / disliking it as they see it as a change, not because what actual changes are made.So anyone worried about Firefox's changes, should trust Mozilla, they are not here to disappoint users. They care for the web and it's users.Sorry mate, but you are just sooo wrong...There's just as many who mindlessly embrace change for change's sake, as reject it in the same way.And to dismiss all who dislike Australis just as "generic-change-haters" is both mindlessly dismissive and patronising. Many, many of us have complained about Australis and given specific reasons why. That's not the action of a "generic-change-hater"!I use Firefox as a tool. When that tool changes and I can no longer work the way *I* want to, then I have to question whether the changes will benefit me or make things worse.It's not about whether you trust Mozilla or not. Of course we trust Mozilla, we wouldn't be using Firefox if we didn't. But adopting any change just because Mozilla thinks it's good is IMO the mindless actions of a "generic-change-lover", who thinks the latest is always the greatest.Personally, I have 40+ tabs open with all toolbars and menus showing. Heck... on a 30" monitor why should I go minimalist and hide all the things I regularly use? Many of you would call it cluttered, but it's the way *I* work, and the way *I* like it, and that's NOT wrong.What *I* don't like in Australis is that it makes it harder/impossible to use Firefox the way *I* want to. Edited November 23, 2013 by Karlston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanone Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 People who use the Nightly version are tech-ish people who always refuse to accept changes. If everything depended on those people, we would still have the classic menu and style from Windows 95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShEsHy Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) So anyone worried about Firefox's changes, should trust Mozilla, they are not here to disappoint users. They care for the web and it's users.Please tell me you're being sarcastic, because if you're not, you're full of it.................................I for one find the new interface downright disgusting, and not only because of it's look, but because of the customizability it removes from Firefox.I think you're in the majority in not liking the new interface. But there's no reason to be abusive towards somebody who may not share your views. This is an open forum where everyone will share their opinions and have lively debates and discussions with points and counter points, but being rude to someone just 'cuz you're not on the same page makes you imbecilic at best and and a jerk at worst. ;)It's not about being in the majority or minority, it's that he outright split people into two groups based on faulty logic (people open to change, who will automatically like the new UI, and people not open to change, who will automatically hate it), and then saying that both groups are wrong, again because of faulty logic (saying that both groups are basically too stupid to actually know why they like/dislike the UI).Say what you want about being abusive (and trust me, before my edits, it was worse), but when someone says I love/hate something while assuming I don't even know why, it pisses me off.Please tell me you're being sarcastic, because if you're not, you're full of it. There's no logic behind thinking that people open to change would all automatically like the new interface and viceversa. The only people that do that are those that automatically think newer is always better in every way, and they're freaking insane (you know, like Apple customers ;)).I for one find the new interface downright disgusting, and not only because of it's look, but because of the customizability it removes from Firefox. And not to mention it does look a lot more like Chrome than it did before.To revise that recipe image:2 Less user choice3 A heap of community outrage4 Mix with angry fans and serve with a downloadNo I'm not sarcastic. This my view after looking into things. This view is not about singular persons, but what I have seen collectively, after visiting many sites.I agree, newer is not necessarily better. I also agree that it shouts Chrome, but I've mentioned it many times before, Mozilla has been clear about it, they have high respect for Chrome, Opera and others, which, if they find better things, they will adapt things from other browsers.Liking or not liking it is personal preference so, I can't argue on that.As for the image, you are not getting my point. My point is simple, Mozilla, if it feels that people are not liking the change of the UI, they will go out of the way to satisfy the user base. There are many ways they can do that, either delay Australis further, or allowing one to disable it, or officially release an addon.If I say that people are >insert characteristic here< or >insert characteristic here<, does that not include you? The whole point about generalisation is that whether you mean to or not, you are talking to everyone in that group (in your case that group being people).Respect has nothing to do with trying to turn into it's competitor's copy. If, let's say, Ford respected VW and came out with a lineup that looked just like VW's, removing a lot of it's own features while doing so, do you think Ford's customers (who previously chose it over VW) wouldn't be justified for getting pissed off?Umm, no. Like any business, they will do whatever they can get away with. My bet is that they will roll it out and just direct all outrage to that addon that removes the visual changes. Don't know what they intend to do with about:config rage though. Edited November 24, 2013 by ShEsHy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janedoe Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) There's just as many who mindlessly embrace change for change's sake, as reject it in the same way.And to dismiss all who dislike Australis just as "generic-change-haters" is both mindlessly dismissive and patronising. Many, many of us have complained about Australis and given specific reasons why. That's not the action of a "generic-change-hater"!It's not about being in the majority or minority, it's that he outritght split people into two groups based on faulty logic (people open to change, who will automatically like the new UI, and people not open to change, who will aoutomatically hate it.), and then saying that both groups are wrong, again because of faulty logic (saying that both groups are basically too stupid to actually know why they like/dislike the UI). I was going to post my objection as well and found that these two guys had done so already. I find this whole "if you're against Australis you're against change in general" attitude to be extremely patronizing, and have already retorted once to the same user in a previous thread (see the bold portion in my admittedly lengthy/detailed post). I simply fail to understand why one would conflate a legitimate grouse against the changes wrought by Australis with a general hate of all change? Why can't someone not be against change in general and yet not like this particular change for valid reasons - is this possibility all that inconceivable? Indeed, the attitude displayed is tantamount to adopting an "if you're not with us, you're against us" perspective that's completely polarized and quite unfortunate.P.S. Those who have long-term plans to depend on Holly, wake up! If/when Australis is released Holly will simply disappear or at least stop getting updated. It's just a fallback branch in case Mozilla comes to its senses and junks Australis. Once Australis is released you might as well use Firefox ESR (until the next Australis-based ESR release at least). Edited November 24, 2013 by janedoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonball50 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) It's just me or Firefox is becoming more and more chromish with every new version? Edited November 24, 2013 by dragonball50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janedoe Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 It's just me or Firefox is becoming more and more chromish with every new version?Certainly not just you, everyone who's seen Australis especially has made the exact same remark. :) It's crystal clear to all journalists and commenters as to what Mozilla is unfortunately drawing inspiration from and trying to emulate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amigaspace Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) For anyone not liking the new interface: switch to Pale Moon. It's a much better and well thought-out browser, I always recommend it to everyone. There's a perfectly fine native x64 version too for you to try, and you'll keep all your FF add-ons. Always used FF in the (distant) past, but they just keep making arbitrary, unintelligible changes without leaving the option to revert. Edited November 25, 2013 by Amigaspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truemate Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 that new looks sucks.. its like copy of chromei think in comeing few days firefox days will be endthough i dont use IE lot but one thing put in da mind..NO ONE CAN STAND EVER IN FRONT OF ANY MICROSOFT PRODUCTS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryrynz Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 It's just me or Firefox is becoming more and more chromish with every new version?Did you not notice how much market share Firefox lost to Chrome over the years?Firefox has been adopting a reasonable amount of Chrome code for good reason, the browser has improved substantially thanks to this.The interface will improve, I don't understand why people hate on something that can be changed so easily. Big deal!Pale Moon is a good Firefox alternative if you can't be bothered with addons to do this, the author is not a fan of the new design either. Personally I'll give it a shotbut I know I can always use Aris's addon to change it back when it comes out with Firefox 29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanon Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 If they would enable themes to change the layout as they wish, including reverting back to the "old" one, I would have no problem with the new interface. This way, only visually, I don't like it very much, but I will give it a chance when it reaches beta. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezza Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 How Mozilla envisions this is explained in a video that has been uploaded to YouTube. It offers several peaks of the guided tour, and also insight into the minds of the designers who created it for the community.Here is a second video that talks about the guided tour as well and why Mozilla decided to implement it the way it did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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