nsane.forums Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Collecting every American's phone records: actually kind of controversial.Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) sponsored the amendment that led to today's close vote.A critical vote for intelligence funding today showed that Congress is sharply divided on the issue of NSA domestic surveillance. This afternoon, the House of Representatives narrowly shot down an amendment that would have stopped the NSA from engaging in any warrantless collection of telephone data on a 205-217 vote.The amendment was sponsored by Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) and co-sponsored by John Conyers (D-MI). The summary of the amendment read:Ends authority for the blanket collection of records under the Patriot Act. Bars the NSA and other agencies from using Section 215 of the Patriot Act to collect records, including telephone call records, that pertain to persons who are not subject to an investigation under Section 215.Amash and Conyers sponsored a similar bill several weeks ago, but there's been little movement on it. Their strategy this week was to propose the change as an amendment to a $600 billion defense spending bill being considered this week. That strategy quickly pushed the surveillance issue to the House floor. In a surprise vote on Monday, the amendment was ruled "in order" by the House Rules Committee, meaning it would have to face a vote. On Tuesday, activist groups began rallying for the cause and notifying the press at large about the vote. The vote occurred just before 7pm Eastern time today, after about an hour of debate. The amendment's supporters came from liberals and conservatives alike, as did its opponents. Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI), the author of the original Patriot Act, spoke in favor of the measure, saying that the NSA's collection of domestic phone data had gone far beyond what he envisioned. Opponents came from all political stripes as well. Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), a voice from liberal San Francisco, voted against the amendment, as did Michele Bachmann (R-MN), a favorite of the conservative Tea Party. Current Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) voted no. The House's final roll call shows supporters of the amendment included 94 Republicans and 111 Democrats.Today's vigorous debate, and the clearly divided lower house, is a sharp contrast to initial Congressional discussions about the leaked intelligence information, in which there was little criticism of the NSA. It's also a rebuke to surveillance supporters like Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) who have suggested that Congress knew about, and supported, the universal collection of Americans' phone records.Even though the NSA program was not overturned, groups that oppose the programs celebrated today's close vote as representing big progress. If seven votes had gone the other way, the NSA would have had to stop."While ultimately not successful, this vote showed that more than 200 members of Congress—including the author of the Patriot Act—oppose these programs," said David Segal of Demand Progress in an e-mailed statement. "These programs barely survived after a full court lobbying campaign by the White House, the Intelligence community, and the NSA proper. Today's vote shows that the tide is turning.""This is a great first step. It's the best vote we've ever had on the Patriot Act," an ACLU lobbyist told The Guardian. It was a "sea change" in how Congress views bulk surveillance, she said, and it will at least force more privacy protections into a forthcoming intelligence authorization bill.View: Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrocious Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Good news for now but criminals won't follow the law, they just find newer ways of breaking it without getting noticed. At least this tells me that people are getting some justice from the "Patriot Act" which was designed to rob freedom and privacy abroad.1 down, many more to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoJoe Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Even though the NSA program was not overturned,View: Original ArticleGood news for now .......1 down, many more to go.Did you read this article wrong Ambro? Nothing has changed. And anyways I believe the NSA would have NOT stopped its surveillance even if the vote would have passed! What is one more lie to them? Edited July 26, 2013 by locoJoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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