shamu726 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 National Security Agency discloses in secret Capitol Hill briefing that thousands of analysts can listen to domestic phone calls. That authorization appears to extend to e-mail and text messages too.NSA Director Keith Alexander says his agency's analysts, which until recently included Edward Snowden among their ranks, take protecting "civil liberties and privacy and the security of this nation to their heart every day."(Credit: Getty Images)The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.Not only does this disclosure shed more light on how the NSA's formidable eavesdropping apparatus works domestically, it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls.Because the same legal standards that apply to phone calls also apply to e-mail messages, text messages, and instant messages, Nadler's disclosure indicates the NSA analysts could also access the contents of Internet communications without going before a court and seeking approval.The disclosure appears to confirm some of the allegations made by Edward Snowden, a former NSA infrastructure analyst who leaked classified documents to the Guardian. Snowden said in a video interview that, while not all NSA analysts had this ability, he could from Hawaii "wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president."There are serious "constitutional problems" with this approach, said Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation who has litigated warrantless wiretapping cases. "It epitomizes the problem of secret laws."The NSA yesterday declined to comment to CNET. A representative said Nadler was not immediately available. (This is unrelated to last week's disclosure that the NSA is currently collecting records of the metadata of all domestic Verizon calls, but not the actual contents of the conversations.)A portion of the NSA's mammoth data center in Bluffdale, Utah, scheduled to open this fall.(Credit: Getty Images) Earlier reports have indicated that the NSA has the ability to record nearly all domestic and international phone calls -- in case an analyst needed to access the recordings in the future. A Wired magazine article last year disclosed that the NSA has established "listening posts" that allow the agency to collect and sift through billions of phone calls through a massive new data center in Utah, "whether they originate within the country or overseas." That includes not just metadata, but also the contents of the communications.William Binney, a former NSA technical director who helped to modernize the agency's worldwide eavesdropping network, told the Daily Caller this week that the NSA records the phone calls of 500,000 to 1 million people who are on its so-called target list, and perhaps even more. "They look through these phone numbers and they target those and that's what they record," Binney said.Brewster Kahle, a computer engineer who founded the Internet Archive, has vast experience storing large amounts of data. He created a spreadsheet this week estimating that the cost to store all domestic phone calls a year in cloud storage for data-mining purposes would be about $27 million per year, not counting the cost of extra security for a top-secret program and security clearances for the people involved.NSA's annual budget is classified but is estimated to be around $10 billion.Documents that came to light in an EFF lawsuit provide some insight into how the spy agency vacuums up data from telecommunications companies. Mark Klein, who worked as an AT&T technician for over 22 years, disclosed in 2006 (PDF) that he witnessed domestic voice and Internet traffic being surreptitiously "diverted" through a "splitter cabinet" to secure room 641A in one of the company's San Francisco facilities. The room was accessible only to NSA-cleared technicians.AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.Rep. Jerrold Nadler, an attorney and member of the House Judiciary committee, who said he was "startled" to learn that NSA analysts could eavesdrop on domestic calls without court authorization.(Credit: Getty Images) Rep. Nadler's disclosure that NSA analysts can listen to calls without court orders came during a House Judiciary hearing on Thursday that included FBI director Robert Mueller as a witness.Mueller initially sought to downplay concerns about NSA surveillance by claiming that, to listen to a phone call, the government would need to seek "a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual."Is information about that procedure "classified in any way?" Nadler asked."I don't think so," Mueller replied."Then I can say the following," Nadler said. "We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that...In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict."Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the head of the Senate Intelligence committee, separately acknowledged this week that the agency's analysts have the ability to access the "content of a call."Sen. Dianne Feinstein, chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, acknowledged this week that NSA analysts have the ability to access the "content of a call."(Credit: Getty Images) Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.They can be accessed by an analyst who's part of the NSA's "workforce of thousands of people" who are "trained" annually in minimization procedures, he said. (McConnell, who had previously worked as the director of the NSA, is now vice chairman at Booz Allen Hamilton, Snowden's former employer.)If it were "a U.S. person inside the United States, now that would stimulate the system to get a warrant," McConnell told the committee. "And that is how the process would work. Now, if you have foreign intelligence data, you publish it [inside the federal government]. Because it has foreign intelligence value."McConnell said during a separate congressional appearance around the same time that he believed the president had the constitutional authority, no matter what the law actually says, to order domestic spying without warrants.Former FBI counterterrorism agent Tim Clemente told CNN last month that, in national security investigations, the bureau can access records of a previously made telephone call. "All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not," he said. Clemente added in an appearance the next day that, thanks to the "intelligence community" -- an apparent reference to the NSA -- "there's a way to look at digital communications in the past."NSA Director Keith Alexander said this week that his agency's analysts abide by the law: "They do this lawfully. They take compliance oversight, protecting civil liberties and privacy and the security of this nation to their heart every day."But that's not always the case. A New York Times article in 2009 revealed the NSA engaged in significant and systemic "overcollection" of Americans' domestic communications that alarmed intelligence officials. The Justice Department said in a statement at the time that it "took comprehensive steps to correct the situation and bring the program into compliance" with the law.Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU's Center for Democracy, says he was surprised to see the 2008 FISA Amendments Act be used to vacuum up information on American citizens. "Everyone who voted for the statute thought it was about international communications," he said.Source: CNET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olexijl Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 So now you know. If you are in US - you're calls can be monitored and even completely listened.But even if you're not in the US - this technology knowing the contents of calls - what has Obama said "no one wants to listen to your calls" - WTF :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 i have now switched to a totally anon service and will remain doing so ill be damned if they get to watch and listen to what i do, look up the silent circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher3927 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 i have now switched to a totally anon service and will remain doing so ill be damned if they get to watch and listen to what i do, look up the silent circle.Again this is only a band-aid for the real problem which is the unchecked growth of the military-industrial complex. As I previously stated you also need to remember that the NSA has made some breakthroughs with decryption and they are building a massive surveillance center in Utah with extremely powerful supercomputers so anything will be fair game in the future. We have to attack this problem at the source and keep on pushing it back every generation. Democracy isn't a destination, it's a process...a journey. The NSA is as unlikely to wake up one day and say: "hey you know what, we have too much power" as the United States legal system is likely to repeal any of the many unbelievably ridiculous laws (which you literally can't even count). The days of passively standing on the sidelines are over and people need to get involved and not ask for change but DEMAND it. Anything less is tyranny but even worse because it's under the guise of freedom. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylemessiah Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Now that the "jig is out" wait this is only the tip of the iceberg!I hate to tell you but yes, this is really only the very teeny tiny tip of the icebergTo some extent bulk data taps at ISP's were known to exist as early as the early 2000'sI remember the poll topic over at slashdot some years ago about backup strategy.....one of the choices was "I let echelon back everything up".Back then it was not exactly funny, but recent events have made everyone sit up and take notice, not just the geeks.Full disclosure: Here in Australia, I used to, in one my job capacities at a major ISP, monitor internet users for a federal body, but only under strict (and i mean strict) court order and narrow guidelines, and to catch people (usually) identified first by more conventional means, or via overseas investigations.But that was more than a decade ago, and since then governments have changed here, notably we had one that were brown-noses to George W Bush and his paranoid "homeland security/everyones a terrorist/civil liberties infringement" government, so who knows how far and how deep our agencies drank that kool aid. I like to think that we're still following the law here.On occasions i would liaise with out of country agencies, and i think people would be horrified to learn the way in which data and information, and peoples rights, was treated in a casual manner. I remember the first time someone asked me the question along the lines of what do you need?As for you Americans, i have grave concerns.As for anyone whose data finds it way to or via American servers, i weep.When i think back it used to be kind of funny when in the early days of working for this ISP, when you would talk to users on the phone they would ask "can you see what im doing on my screen as im doing it?". Back then it was a kind of naive question. Now i think people are much more aware, well apart from giving away all heir info on Facewank.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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