My PayPal/Natwest got hacked :S

[vin3e]

What do i do?

I just recieved several emails from PayPal, thanking me for transfering money to another account.

I wont put the email here, but today i got a letter from Natwest saying im £176.67 over drawn.

The total amount he/she transfered was £305, 1 £150, 3 £50, 1 £5.

Natwest told me to call police and get a crime reference number, which is what i did and now im sitting here waiting for a reply from them..

:D Im not stupid enough to visit phoney sites, nor reply to phishers, maybe my p/w is easy to guess *looks at nsane*.

What could of gone wrong guys?

EDIT: I cant change anything on my accoutn either because the last 2 digits they provide dont match those on my 1 and only card.

WTF is happening?

[Guest oxygenuk]

have you sent money via paypal to any websites (eg. donations)?

that sucks what happened

[Lite]

Your password located on this forum is stored as the md5 hash of what it actually is, it'll take along time to crack even the most basic password via brute force.

You will have the email address of this person, correct? Is this other account verified? Is it a free one (ie hotmail etc?). I would also contact payal telling them the situation, i'm sure they will have logs etc and its usually possible to get your money back if it has been only a few days.

[vin3e]

Its been 5 days, and ive reported to police

Ive NEVER used my Paypal. It was originally opened when i had a job and thought i would be splashing out on luxurious stuff on eBay :D

But then i spent it all on japanese foods/holidays and so i didnt get round to even using it.

The email was hotmail.com, and theres proof someones fiddling with my account because an email was added. I dont donate, not rich enough to donate to others :D i cant even pay for my usual £7 per school day lunch :D

I contacted Paypal already, but i get automated emails saying they will look further into this. The polive just rang to confirm my details and thn told me to head out to my local and make a complaint.

Im not worried to be honest, but it is always in the back of my head, i only have <£2 in my natwest anyway haha, but im OD by £175 now :D the only thing that worries me is the constant hassles i would have from natwest spamming me with complaints.

I JUST got my crime ref number, guess i'll go tomorrow morning and get it sorted out.

Thanks guys :D

[myidisbb]

from what you have siad this is what im guess how it happen.

your hotmail account email got some emails with screen hltm opoens up when you click to read. it sends you a worm etc. they get your hotmail email and password. they check it and either sees or guesses you might have your paypal account reg to this hotmail account. they use they see your paypal account name or use your hotmail name and sends a message to request forgotten paypal password. they get the infomration back in our hotmail account and go look in your paypal account and see you stupidly reg a real bank account to it. (if you are giong to be a seller in ebay etc reg a 2nd bank account to paypal. when you get money in it take it out and put it in your real bank account. that also stops paypal from taking your money. direct deposit works both ways.)

or you wasnt using a firewall and they access your packets that you was sending.

or they access your computer.

now in the usa you have some rights and protections to your bank account. i dont know with your nation. good luck. btw open a new bank account for your work money and checks. stop all checks for that bank account. ithey might go atm on your old bank account too.

britain right? that is the pound symbol? they might not even live in britain. might be another european nation. you are even more screwed. since there is no UE for now. didnt britain keep their own money system instead of the euro?

oh paypal web sie does now have a phone number. at least the usa one. good luck. i can now say i kind of know someone that was been ID theif

[Lite]

@BB, Worms are not charecterised as having that of behaviour. A Trojan maybe. "Hacking" attacks are rare nowadays.

What you mean no EU?

[Samurai]

All banks, if not all have a policy to protect their clients otherwise they would have no business. Natwest is a pretty big company so I'm sure they'll be someone looking into it given the facts.

Yes we did decide to keep our pound, but we're still part of the EU, and have been since 1973.

[vin3e]

Nah, not stupid enough to open any attachments, nor do i bother reading them, all emails from paypal were official, no links were included in those emails for me to click.

I had no prior emails before this happened so i couldnt have installed something via email.

Have a firewall, so its not likely they read my packets, this being my 3rd time going to paypal site, sinc ei have never used it before.

Im just guessing they brute forced my paypal. Only a guess.

[Lite]

If you don't mind, can you PM me the info on the other party? Might be able to help you.

[vin3e]

PM'ed all emails and amounts.

[myidisbb]

Nah, not stupid enough to open any attachments, nor do i bother reading them, all emails from paypal were official, no links were included in those emails for me to click.

I had no prior emails before this happened so i couldnt have installed something via email.

Have a firewall, so its not likely they read my packets, this being my 3rd time going to paypal site, sinc ei have never used it before.

Im just guessing they brute forced my paypal. Only a guess.

its not attachment. what i meant was you click to read and it then reads html for that email.

is your payapl reg to your hotmail? and is the account names the same? you had said they had access to your hotmail. thats why i ask about that part. that would be the simplest way they did it.

im figuring your hotmail account name is the same as your paypal and with i hope not the same password. but if they got your hotmail they could just just went to paypal and try your hotmail account for the heck of it.

firewall doesnt stop yoru packets that go out from being read. wireless? if the hotmail account is reg to your paypal when you open it then if yourpayal password was different from your hotmail they only needed to send a message to paypal for "forgotten password" since they already had access to your hotmail account.

EU roots goes back to a socialist workers union in western germany if i remember right. french and dutch killed EU in the vote. therfore no government. anything the EU does is illegal. not legit. now if european nations want to keep suckering to it oh well. iraq has a more legit government then this EU. now if england wants to surender to this french napolian/socialist nazi german force then thats their mistake. those two nations where already above the rules and laws that the other EU nations have to follow. (EU is against isreal. french president a prime example) churchhill would never allowed this EU to happen.

a united europe would be nice but its not ever going to happen as long as you all speak 50+ languages. you have to pick one. and at the rate the population is going its going to be arabic. thats a nasty fact you might not want to hear but is true.

oh back on paypal. i always believed the phishing emails from fake paypal sites was an inside job from someone at paypal. when they email me that they was changing their TOS and if i didnt click to agree then they close the account. that cause them to finally release me $100-110 they stole and froze from me. (after 2 years) a few days afterwards i got one of those fake emails. it was easy to see it was fake and that was before windows fix the url scam.

[vin3e]

Nah they didnt get into my hotmail.

[Guest oxygenuk]

brute forcing paypal is very high risk and dangerous.

if it was someone that did it itd be a "|337" one otherwise theyd be screwed and ud have nothing to worry about in time...