toyo Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The ultimate goal of the US is to take the resources of Africa and Middle East under military control to block economic growth in China and Russia, thus taking the whole of Eurasia under control, author and historian William F. Engdahl reveals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myidisbb Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 really? if only that was true. i see russian news media is completely back to communist conorl with pure bs stories. how sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyo Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 :wut: :shutup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shought Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 This makes it look like the US(/EU?) planned this, or intended for this to happen. Which is rubbish, in my opinion.Sure, they always end up on the winning team and that provides them with a 'good view' from that team, but to be honest the West's economic interests would've been better served if they had supported the dictators (which, luckily, they did not do).And of course, in the end the US(/EU?) will seek to make sure their economic interests are served the best they can be under any regime, but this does not mean that they planned or intended for the regime switch to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyo Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 History says that you might be mistaking. US is famous for constant meddling in other countries internal affairs, including planned assassinations. Assuming they changed their ways would be naive. NATO, IMF, UN, are just instruments so the cowboys would not be so visible in their schemes. US itself is just an instrument.Supporting the dictators is nice, until you realise that it doesn't work as planned and you need more influence and expansion. This "revolution" reeks of artificial and fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bashar Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 its a pitty , because of US , russia & china . our dreams of being a good nation is going to destroyedYou cant ever and never say that those brave men who went out to the street asking for the end of this ridiculous life sucking mafia , are american plot .i'm living in one of the so called arab spring country , and the arab spring is pretty real thing if you look at the last 25-40 yearsthe arab world has been controlled by dictatorship supported by russia & china & iran (after revolution) or USAthe arab spring asks for simple human basic needs , freedom of expression . rights to choose and act in this community without security knocking down your head .i find it simply stupid what the russian channel is , while they are supporting a dictator in some place they are talking about USA intervention in other place , these people don't understand our needs ,interest . they just care about their interest .USA , russia , Iran all are playing with the arab spring movement based on their interestsbut have never imagined that this would happen like that waylook at how the EU/US dealt with Tunisia , they thought it was a buzz and it would end , they chose the dictator first . then they changed their policy . because as i said interests are the basic of their relationships . (same as russia/china on Syria)after the arab spring sparked out in all of the arab world , i hate all of the countries , China , Russia , USA , EU , Iranbut i still think EU/US are dealing better with the flow of the movement while russia and china still believe that tyrant will stand against the people (by their help of course)i would say , EU/USA people have a bless , you can go out to the streets shout out loud , without a bullet in ur headMercy to all the Great martyrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyo Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah, the desire for freedom is genuine (all human beings experience it). But how this is manipulated at political level is another thing. We'll talk in a few years, when there will be subservient puppet governments in all the "revolutionary" countries, foreign military bases and companies on their land and their wealth will be siphoned overseas. All you guys will remain with will be hate and bitterness.PS: You believe that shouting in the streets will bring you any good in US or the EU? Think again. Just take a look at the "Occupy Wall Street" movement or the problems in Greece and other European countries. Yeah, you probably won't get shot (but there's no guarantees against this), but you'll get savagely beaten, maced, arrested and jailed for days. Also, the government won't give a damn about you and won't listen to any of the demands, will just send the police to repress the demonstrations. So... you draw the conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bashar Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 jailed ?! oh really ? my friend are you serious ?how about getting your penis cut ?! your eyes pop out ?! how about a massacre today , 11 people have been killed and cut ?! your family is being a public enemy just because you said , hey i want freedomgimme the full numbers of dead people in the US/EU in that occupy movement period ?!i will take jail and beaten by tear gases and sticks on that any day if you ask me .the revolution is a need , it doesn't actually mean you own the country right at day NO-1 , but it's an expression to the people basic demandsjust like the way happened in russia , iran , america , europeit will happen elsewhere ,everyone in the Arab spring movement knows that intervention will cost , these powerful countries want to milk the Arab spring ,Yes, . but this wont change the fact that these people are chanting for their RIGHTS and dignity . beside what made the Arab spring so stunning , is the amount of hate and killing these dictators have been doing all year .the youth Arab wants to (at least) put the Arab world on the development cycle , so we can then create a Full Arabic political view.we have bad education system (you can only educate yourself with what the Holly goddy president did). where are the scientists , writers ?!we have bad economy system , i bet if we have an economy system at all , just mafia of the presidents friends and close upwe have bad political system , our main political system relies on supporting the Goddy Party and President whatever he wants (mainly what his family want too)this is all need to be solved one way or another , or the people will just take it to the street night in and night outthe thing is Arab spring doesn't demand the government to listen , it asks for radical changes for the whole thingbecause there is no trust at all that these dictators will at any time change their internal policy (at least internal duties lol)PS: i said it once , the EU zone will solve its Euro problem before these stupid dictators even know what the people want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyo Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 Man... this will be my last post on such issues. There's no point in continuing to discuss this. We'll see in a few years how "freedom" will shape up for the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bashar Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 in my opinion there is a huge point of discussing these thingsi think what happened in tunisia after 24 empty years , the first time the tunisian people said their opinionit's the beginning , Keep away US/RUSSIA , we can be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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